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Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL Revision
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Yep, Imma just check the context of the battle, just to make sure, but it seems you proved that card effects can affect real beings outside of a regular duel.
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That would be nice, thanks.
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That works too (Sorry got wrapped in other things atm)
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It may be best for the calc guys to do it, since my lack of angsizing experience means I would have to low ball the speed results.
From what I understood from the video, isn't Numeron Network being played at the time of the card effect activating?
From what I understood from the video, isn't Numeron Network being played at the time of the card effect activating?
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Anyway, I feel it makes too many assumptions to say that both Numeron Network and Sargasso have effects both in and outside of duels that are never mentioned, affect the nature of the cards, and suddenly make them real. You kind of have to ignore the fact they already have feats of affecting things outside a duel with attacks, and assume that Numbers can only manifest attacks and not abilities. There are quite a few showings of multiple things overall, and it makes more sense that a effect that already affects something with physical presence can affect people then to assume they have no correlation whatsoever.
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Another thing that might help:
The holder of Number 7: Lucky Straight had Supernatural Luck because of the Number's effect on him. Though he constantly said, "my luck will tun out when the Sun will be cut in half ". This was actually searched by Yuma's sister the phrase itself had something to do with Lucky Straight.
Later, when Yuma dueled the guy, the latter activated a spell card that resembles the Sun. The Yuma used another card to make Utopia cut it in half, and when it happened, the guy lost all of his luck.
The holder of Number 7: Lucky Straight had Supernatural Luck because of the Number's effect on him. Though he constantly said, "my luck will tun out when the Sun will be cut in half ". This was actually searched by Yuma's sister the phrase itself had something to do with Lucky Straight.
Later, when Yuma dueled the guy, the latter activated a spell card that resembles the Sun. The Yuma used another card to make Utopia cut it in half, and when it happened, the guy lost all of his luck.
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Hold on the latest feat was also in the Numeron Network?
So now literally all 3 feats are in an alt dimension, and youre saying that its too much assumptions that the real world hasnt made the effects real. Despite the fact that literally everytime it has been in an alt dimension?
@DMB is the card effect supernatural luck or the card giving him supernatural luck?
So now literally all 3 feats are in an alt dimension, and youre saying that its too much assumptions that the real world hasnt made the effects real. Despite the fact that literally everytime it has been in an alt dimension?
@DMB is the card effect supernatural luck or the card giving him supernatural luck?
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We don't assume that Goku can only go UI in the World of Void. We don't assume that Lavos can only copy during 2000 a.d. The only verse I can think of that has something like this restriction is Warhammer, which is explicitly stated to have abilities limit outside the warp. The problem here is that no other verse has had this sort of skepticism ever applied to it before. Heck, UI Goku hasn't had any feats outside of the void that even correlate to using UI, and about as many statements saying he can only do it there (which is to say, 0), and unlike ZEXAL, has absolutely no feats that even correlate to UI. Yet Yu-Gi-Oh suddenly has this restriction placed on it? That makes literally no sense and is inconsistent on how we've done things.
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UI Goku is explained that it was because of breaking his limits. 2000 ad is not an alternative dimension that you yourself have already acknoledged has an effect on the duel.
We already know that these alt dimensions have an effect on the duels and straight up on some up on the cards (like they xyz monsters) and you yourself, have already adknowledged this.
The literal one time someone dies from a card effect / life points lost in the entirity of Zexal outside of special corcumstances is in the alternate dimension.
I didnt want to point this out, but if card effects and 0 life points always killed as per what would be the implication here, then literally everyone whose played a card game would have died already. This is clearly not the case. And the only to rebuttal this would be some assumption / headcanon.
It is literally one assumption "That the alt dimensions that have already been shown and stated to have an effect on the duels / duelists, has an effect on duels / duelists" (Which borderline isn't an assumption, as its basicaly just what theyve already stated) vs "Card effects can universally kill people" followed with assumption after assumption on why it hasnt killed in the dozens of duels in the series.
We already know that these alt dimensions have an effect on the duels and straight up on some up on the cards (like they xyz monsters) and you yourself, have already adknowledged this.
The literal one time someone dies from a card effect / life points lost in the entirity of Zexal outside of special corcumstances is in the alternate dimension.
I didnt want to point this out, but if card effects and 0 life points always killed as per what would be the implication here, then literally everyone whose played a card game would have died already. This is clearly not the case. And the only to rebuttal this would be some assumption / headcanon.
It is literally one assumption "That the alt dimensions that have already been shown and stated to have an effect on the duels / duelists, has an effect on duels / duelists" (Which borderline isn't an assumption, as its basicaly just what theyve already stated) vs "Card effects can universally kill people" followed with assumption after assumption on why it hasnt killed in the dozens of duels in the series.
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Yes, they do have a affect on duels, but those are outright stated and explained. There isn't any outright Memory World esque thing where it's says that damage is now real.
There are still other examples
0 life points doesn't always kill, yes, but when Barians or Astral World is involved it always does some damage
Not necessarily. Most of the time it can be chalked up to Barians and Astral beings being present
You also failed to acknowledge the fact that regardless damage from duels has always been portrayed as real in ZEXAL 2, which is still a supporting feat.
IIRC, Things like Number 107's rewind affects the area around where they're dueling as well, not just the field
There are still other examples
0 life points doesn't always kill, yes, but when Barians or Astral World is involved it always does some damage
Not necessarily. Most of the time it can be chalked up to Barians and Astral beings being present
You also failed to acknowledge the fact that regardless damage from duels has always been portrayed as real in ZEXAL 2, which is still a supporting feat.
IIRC, Things like Number 107's rewind affects the area around where they're dueling as well, not just the field
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"Most of the time it can be chalked up to Barians and Astral beings being present"
"but when Barians or Astral World is involved it always does some damage"
Once again, that's my point. That's been my point, you can't give people hax based on special circumstances. I'm not asking you outright ignore these showings, I'm asking you don't treat them as the standard in the real world when they're clearly not.
"You also failed to acknowledge the fact that regardless damage from duels has always been portrayed as real in ZEXAL 2, which is still a supporting feat."
And why is that? <This is a rhetorical question because I think we both know what changes. Ignoring the fact that again, we already know the monsters / damage is real, its the card effects that are the point.
Number 107's card effect is time manipulation?...
"but when Barians or Astral World is involved it always does some damage"
Once again, that's my point. That's been my point, you can't give people hax based on special circumstances. I'm not asking you outright ignore these showings, I'm asking you don't treat them as the standard in the real world when they're clearly not.
"You also failed to acknowledge the fact that regardless damage from duels has always been portrayed as real in ZEXAL 2, which is still a supporting feat."
And why is that? <This is a rhetorical question because I think we both know what changes. Ignoring the fact that again, we already know the monsters / damage is real, its the card effects that are the point.
Number 107's card effect is time manipulation?...
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I'm saying it would be standard for Astral World and Barian World denizens, and nothing more. That's what I've been saying the whole time, not that every random Joe does real effects. That'd be dumb.
Affecting a real being and affecting a hologram is a world of difference. Only one of them is a example of affecting a real npbeing with a physical presence programmed to follow rules. Monsters, or at least not the Numbers, who have physical presence, clearly have a will of their own and can affect the game like Number 96 did all those scans ago.
Yes. In fact, 107 is the corrupted dragon of time, which was corrupted into a card by Don Thousand, which is a good example of real life being able to be part of the game.
Affecting a real being and affecting a hologram is a world of difference. Only one of them is a example of affecting a real npbeing with a physical presence programmed to follow rules. Monsters, or at least not the Numbers, who have physical presence, clearly have a will of their own and can affect the game like Number 96 did all those scans ago.
Yes. In fact, 107 is the corrupted dragon of time, which was corrupted into a card by Don Thousand, which is a good example of real life being able to be part of the game.
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@DMB I see, like I said above, what needs to be proven is that the card effects are real, not that the numbers have abilities or physical influence.
You sure that the anime's card effect is time manipulation?
@Yobo ...Really? Because I don't remember you saying that anywhere?
And yes, it is a world of difference, I think we accept that, though most of the time card mechanics still have some effects even when they though physically manifest.
Well yeah, not arguing that it can't, I'm just saying normal cards normally can't.
You sure that the anime's card effect is time manipulation?
@Yobo ...Really? Because I don't remember you saying that anywhere?
And yes, it is a world of difference, I think we accept that, though most of the time card mechanics still have some effects even when they though physically manifest.
Well yeah, not arguing that it can't, I'm just saying normal cards normally can't.
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Sure I guess
I think this entire thread (At least the latter half) was built on confusion lol.
Ye, already said that a while back in the thread. Though, I feel like I need to note that somethings need to be standardized.
I think this entire thread (At least the latter half) was built on confusion lol.
Ye, already said that a while back in the thread. Though, I feel like I need to note that somethings need to be standardized.
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@DMB huh... that explanation must have been funky.
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OK I see, hmmm, so the monsters are affected by the time manipulation. it seems we got the general gist about the thread completed. I'll go ahead and update the Gods, you should go ahead and update Yuma. Btw, though, how would Yuma even be able to battle in a vs debate?
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Yeah I never understood it either, because from what I understand, it basically makes summoners broken somehow.
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Well I'm make a q and a on that later, for the meantime, I'd suggest updating the Yuma profile.
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