Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL Revision

[Yobo_Blue]

Maybe not, but the stronger ones like Utopia, 96, and anyone who scales to GEOPOLITICAL and Neo GEPD should.

(Though a monster of that size would really be stupidly startling at the very least)

 

[DMB_1]

It definitely scales to Number 69, 53 and 92, and probably to all Chaos Numbers, as the Barian Emperors weren't impressed at all by that thing.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

101-107 too then

 

[DMB_1]

ANother Number that should be in the 3-C range would be Number 99: utopic Dragon, as Astral says that he's the pendicle of all the Numbers, showing all o the Utopias, Numbers and Chaos Numbers (yes, including Dark Storm too).

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Does that include 100?

 

[DMB_1]

Does that include 100?

In the video of his presentation, it does include him along with the other Numbers, thought I don't know if it would sclae.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yjs-FTpr_w

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I highly doubt 99 is above 100 and IC1000

 

[DMB_1]

Still, he should qualify for 3-C.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Still, he should qualify for 3-C.

Yeah

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'd say it's a good idea to update the blogs too.

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye that works.

Well i think we got everything settled really, now we wait for more members, you guys can leave some messages on staff I think. This was pretty nicely done.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Specifically knowledgeable members, right?

 

[SomebodyData]

I guess? Most of these aren't really obscure or contreversal, so you could also invite normal members.

 

[DMB_1]

Can this be calced? it might be MFTL+.


96's attack on Astral World

 

[SomebodyData]

It's... solid?

But its MFTL+, you don't have to worry about a calc, I think its pretty clear.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

You're the only one in the KmL, so I'll just message some staff

 

[DMB_1]

Another thing I'd like to discuss is range:

Monsters seem fairly able to hit Dyson Sphere despite being millions of kilometers away from it: Some examples are Neo Galaxy eyes, Number 8, 107 and C107. Should we apply this range to other number cards?

As for 96 and the people stronger than them, the Three Worlds are stated as being "in other dimensions". How do I quantify this as a range?

 

[SomebodyData]

Yes, that's alright with me. That should be either Interplanetary or Stellar range.

"At least Multi-Galactic range, possibly Low-Multiversal with X abilities" could work.

 

[DMB_1]

All right. I might as well edit my blog.

 

[Kaltias]

I haven't watched Zexal in a century, but after reading the debate above the conclusions seem reasonable.

And yes 96's attack can be calculated, and it's MFTL+

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

While we are on the topic of ZEXAL, may I ask permission to create the profile for The Player of Duel Carnival , as well as the Protagonists of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Games ? He's actually insanely strong and implied to have a lot of power, despite "supposedly being human" , here is what we know of him so far :

• Number 96 fears him after dueling him (He was defeated, despite the Player not having a Number card) , and even realizing who he is put fear into his heart, which is honestly pretty dang impressive .
• His cards are implied to be protecting him , which Number 96 states. This implies he has a deep connection to his deck
• He can see Astral
• Connected to Astral on a deep level (Implied to be connected to Astral's Deepest Memories, meaning he likely met Astral before he split apart)
• Galaxy Eyes Cipher Dragon respect his strength and reacted to him as a result.
• Dr.Faker described his power as shaking the world to it's foundations.He even went as far as to say he didn't expect a duelist like him to ever even exist in the world.
• Kite described him as having strength out of this world
• ZEXAL was used.... Yuma got bodied

I believe we can consider at least the ZEXAL iteration to be at High 4-C at least due to roflstomping ZEXAL , beating 96 without any effort . Whether he scales to the tier 3 stuff.... I'm honestly unsure.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It would

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Would ZEXAL being incapable of beating him give resistance to fate and probability manip?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

He would scale to tier 3 ? How so ?

Considering he was directly theorized to change the fate of the entire world (It's also on the Wikia for the character) ... Likely so. I can agree with that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

IIRC, Faker had knowledge of Astral world, no?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Yeah he does ...And he's aware of the Barian World as well.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

In that case, considering that Faker knew of both the Barians, Astral World, and the fact he stomped ZEXAL, I'd say he should at least be comparable to C96

 

[SomebodyData]

Bad news, Rapid really was using a sock account...

Anyways regarding the Fate thing, can I see context? Because that sounds like the generic "fate defier" trope.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

How do you know?

 

[SomebodyData]

Check the Rules Violation thread, Fandom checked their IPs. Might have even been Megaboy too, but Kal didn't check that.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Now that Rapids perma blocked, will I even have to make an argument for that Yugioh DSoD stuff anymore or should I so we don't go through the way the revisions were happening again?

 

[SomebodyData]

I don't think so @Prof

It seems that abilities and tiers tires are good to go, the only thing we still need to debate are effects, is there any showing of the card effects outside a duel?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

IIRC, I'm about 90% sure it should be fine. If they're using abilities on real foes like other Numbers, it should work IRL.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Regardless, I'm going to have to go for a while, so I won't be able to respond.

 

[SomebodyData]

Even if their real forms they are bound to game mechanics in a duel (so they would be affected, but in a way that doesn't mean the abilities are legit), hence why I'm asking outside it.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I will say this. DMB already explained that the cards have affected Sargesso before, and Drgulon and GETD did damage without inflicting harm on life points, which shows they aren't bound to game mechanics, as well as Yuma's aforementioned Tiger Sword.

Pretty sure there's more, but I really have to go now

 

[SomebodyData]

The issue here is that those show they can interact with the real world through attacks, not that they're free of the mechanics nor that they can interact with world with effects.

An example of being free of mechanics would be like, attacking when the monster not supposed to regardless of the player's command, Man-Eater bug ohko a person rather than a monster or not having ATK points because it's not part of the game mechanics. Stuff like that.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Being completely free of game mechanics all the time isn't something that can really be achieved in Yu-Gi-Oh. They're are inevitable limitations.

Using their abilities on other real beings should be enough proof. However, even assuming they have to show their effects in real life as the only possible evidence, there are actually good examples of them being somewhat unbound from the game and able to affect Sargasso with their abilities.


One good example of this is when card form 96 negated it's own effects and changed its card appearance when it fought Yuma

Furthermore, Don Thousand's Numeron Card actually hid itself from view and was unbound from the battlefield, and had to be found IIRC. So they do have a fair amount of feats of being unbound.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The group travels around on the aforementioned dimension ship


As stated, Sargasso itself is a different dimension itself with effects on xyz summons


The barians use cards that can negate the effects of Sargasso to their advantage


Which clearly draws in the lightning generated by Sargasso


In the duel itself, Yuma is physically harmed by the effect of one of the Numbers that deals damage


And also mitigates the abilities with his cards


Furthermore, Utopia Ray V's effect clearly causes physical harm to Vector as well.

 

[SomebodyData]

And thats the issue, the fact that they are still affected by game mechanics mean the even the real versions of the cards are being affected by card effects, rather than the card effects somehow affecting real beings that are supposed to be the exceptions (Numbers, Rank ups, etc)

Its because of this, their effects working on beings clearly still affected by mechanics cannot be enough proof.

The question essentially falls to, do the effects work outside the duel on real beings / people?