Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL Revision

[Yobo_Blue]

Except Sargasso and the Barians aren't affected by the mechanics, and are their own things. Sargasso exists outside of the game and it's abili are clearly still affected by card effects.

Though I think at this point it might just make more sense for us to just apply it to Barians, Astrals, and Numbers regardless

 

[SomebodyData]

Sargasso is effected by card effects outside of a duel in the alt dimension no that have already been stated to affect the cards no? And isn't it the same case for the Barians?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Can you be a bit more specific?

 

[SomebodyData]

Your examples (Which I don't even know if were outside of a duel) were in the alt dimension Sargasso, which had explictly affected the cards. Unless you're trying to argue the effects do work when they're in Sargasso (Which I don't have issue with), it shouldn't be relevant outside that dimension ie what their current pages are.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It was in a duel yes, but it affected Sargasso, which was outside the duel. Sargasso doesn't affect the cards, but the duelist playing the cards, and only due to XYZ summons, which you said yourself already kind of exist outside of game mechanics due to the whole overlay network, which we see work on people in real life.

 

[SomebodyData]

And then, let me ask you this, how does Sargasso affect the duelist which in turn affects the cards? (Unless you're talking about the card Sargasso? In which, need I remind you the card is based off the actual place, not that the actual place is originally a card)


Yes, but I also said that it was because the overlay network existed in real life before there was the cards. The cards that deal with this are specifically able to do so because of their connection to the overlay, and thus does not apply to the standard cards.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It doesn't affect the cards directly, it affects the duelist playing the XYZ

Exactly, so even if Sargasso did affect the XYZ (which it doesn't) , it wouldn't really be affect the cards so much as the overlay network.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hold on, we're talking about the place or the card? Because the place already had the effect on them, the card was the game's way of manifesting the effect in a card game setting, kinda like the Duelist Kingdom arc.

Well that is true, however, even in the real world the overlay network doesn't necessarily always impact duels the way Sargasso does (Outside of exceed summoning of course), so it still stands here as the different variable.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So I was asked to comment here, I guess. I'm gonna preface all of my statements with a few things.

1. I don't actively participate in Yu-Gi-Oh! at all. I'm uninterested, it just isn't something I align with since it isn't A. a role playing game or B. some other boring interest I have.

2. Based on the above statement, I don't have a working knowledge of the verse and its laws. This means two things. One, I am about as objective as one can get (hopefully) and two, I may need stuff explained to me.

3. I have tried to read through this rather lengthy thread but there's... a lot so please forgive me if I forget something or didn't catch something, feel free to correct me.

That said.

The parallel worlds are obviously at least galaxy-sized. You have shown that on a consistent basis. I am unsure of being fully universal in size so I will avoid speaking on that.

Card effects... one feels as though this issue comes up a lot. Imaginym recently asked me to do a blog on the topic, as in, a calc for rockets from a monster that seem to very much affect the player (in this case, Joey). That said, I am unsure if card monsters interact (or, at least, interact at full power) with the real world. I would be hesitant to believe it. It seems like alternate worlds have different laws, which means there is the potential for the idea of "What works in X might not work in Y".

As for proposed abilities, I see nothing wrong and Somebody's points about notating the restrictions of Power Null should be noted as a weakness on the profile.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Thanks.

 

[SomebodyData]

Hmm I see I see @Mr. Bambu

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Data

Can you remind me about what you said on null? I'll get to what you said in a moment

 

[SomebodyData]

In the manga, the power null of the Gods is kinda op, however in the anime, they have several weaknesses:

- Power Null does not work on BFR or other Power Null

- There is no Divine Hierachy, therefore their power null is extremely basic.

- Even temporary Power Null works permantly on the Gods (As long as they are on the field)

- Unless the ability destroys them, the effects of the ability are actually still around (Basically it only nulls OHKO abilities), but only temporarily.

- They can only be temporarily resurrected.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Okay

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@Bambu

Only thing I would critique you on is that ZEXAL may not have the same rules as DM, but it's canon to ZEXAL so who knows.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Hold on, we're talking about the place or the card? Because the place already had the effect on them, the card was the game's way of manifesting the effect in a card game setting, kinda like the Duelist Kingdom arc.

Well that is true, however, even in the real world the overlay network doesn't necessarily always impact duels the way Sargasso does (Outside of exceed summoning of course), so it still stands here as the different variable.

The dimension itself, which is affected by shenanigans both players pull.

That is true, but Sargasso affecting Overlay can't really contradict anything in that case either

 

[SomebodyData]

For Bambu

This would probably be the best time to point out the canon:

- Yugioh Manga, R, Prequel to DSoD, DSoD

- Yugioh Anime, possibly Yugioh The Movie's novelization, GX, possibly 5Ds, Zexal, Arc-V, likely VRains

- It is unknown where, or if, the manga versions of the other anime fit anywhere.

@Yobo I'd like to point out while that is true, it could also be the results of the alt dimension, similar to the Memory World. In addition, the alt dimension was also the field spell, making it hard to determine the exact qualities of the dimension.

Yeah, but that means that the biggest example is at best inconclusive without something else.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

IMO, it's less of a assumption that cards and effects affect real life then to assume Sargasso had the effect of making the other half of the game real without ever having it stated.

Thing is tho, it still clearly shows that it's possible and it's not exactly not interconnected with the other feats.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So the show has dual canons, and several aspects of it are sort of outlying, correct?

So Joey, who is from the original, being affected, may or may not be canon to Zexal, correct? Again, I'm unsure on this part since it seems very... weird, we'll call it, but still.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So the show has dual canons, and several aspects of it are sort of outlying, correct?

So Joey, who is from the original, being affected, may or may not be canon to Zexal, correct? Again, I'm unsure on this part since it seems very... weird, we'll call it, but still.

More like at least 5 with multiple branches that switch mediums, so a manga might be canon to a anime where a movie is canon to a manga. It's literal hell.

It's weird, but not unheard of. ARC-V had effects be real as well, and effects physically affecting people during a duel their was supprting evidence after all.

 

[SomebodyData]

Actually, going by that logic, in real life it was never stated too and never shown in countless down, and Sargasso had already shown to have effects on the game during the one match that actually happened there, so really, which one assumes more?

Of course, but ambiguity is neither confirmation or denial, which is why its inconclusive. Making a point of it would be the equivalent of a "What if" until more conclusive evidence is presented.

I'll reply tomorrow, gotta go to sleep.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Eh. I kinda need clarification on what you mean here.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the most obvious effect Sargasso has on a duel is tied to the Overlay network tho. It's effetc is primarily on what's seen already with that.

Have a nice rest then.

 

[SomebodyData]

Good morning!

I'm basically stating that it was never stated to affect them in either real life or Sargasso, however by probability, given this doesn't happened in the real life and exclusively happened the one time in Sargasso, that if you want to use the probability argument it would work in my favor. Even though I'm actually just being neutral about this point, ironically enough.

Me neither, however, its ambigous as to whether or not that's because of the cards or because overlay exists outside and before the cards even came to be. Although, now that you point that out, unless Yugioh cards existed before Sargasso, then the connection would be overwhelmingly to the network's original form rather than the cards.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'll see if I can show it happening outside of Sargasso then.

Yeah

 

[SomebodyData]

Okay, but I'll find it hard pressed that you'll find an effect that works outside a duel without there being special circumstances.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'm pretty sure there were other outside events similar to Sargasso tho

 

[SomebodyData]

There probably were, I'm just saying I don't think there are any ones that use effects on someone unbound by mechanics without special circumstances.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't think Sargasso would count as special circumstances if there are other examples tho

 

[SomebodyData]

Well of course not, it would be considered the norm, unless the other examples are like, alt dimensions or stated to be special circumstances or something.

 

[DMB_1]

For Numeron Network:

The Filed Spell is actually a giant zone that expands both on the Earth and in the Barian World.

Don Thousand created it when he transformed.

Now, here's the issue, they couldn't destroy it with effects because the card itself was hidden in a protected field, and the only way to get rid of it was to get it out of there, AND THEN use a card destruction effect on it.

 

[SomebodyData]

Oh, well there is your evidence, as long as it isn't a field spell (thus limiting to the mechanics, with the protective field protecting it), then you guys basically confirmed it.

EDIT: Didn't see the first part, nvm.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's actually more like Sargasso, since it's a area that's translated onto the field.

I can probably get some more evidence if you want tho

 

[SomebodyData]

Ye, that would help.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Here are some resistance feats in the mean time




Numbers give resistance to time slow

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The Numeron Network isn't so much a field spell as the field itself. It was obtained after Don Thousand merged the Barian World with the Human World, giving him power over the code



As such, the Earth itself is the Numeron Network. To destroy it, you'd have to affect the Earth by definition.

 

[SomebodyData]

The resistance is pretty legit.

That's... what a field spell is supposed to be.

Is that ever stated, because I've seen things fused and destroyed without having to destroy both things.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah, but it's not from the field spell, but the world itself.

I'll check.

I still have more scans tho

 

[SomebodyData]

I guess? However, sounds like it is bound by game mechanics given it still has a card form.

K

Okay, though this kinda sounds like gaunlet lol

 

[Yobo_Blue]

During his Duel with Don Thousand, Mizael uses the card "Passing of the Dragon Emperor"





Yuma acknowledges the fact that the effect damage will kill both Mizael and thousand


Astral immediately guesses that it's a suicide maneuver


Mizael confirms both this and the fact that the effect damage will kill him.


Don Thousand rewrites the card's existence so it only damages Mizael and he instantly loses the duel.


After the duel ends, he proceeds to die and shatter.

 

[SomebodyData]

Well, I haven't seen that part of Zexal for a while so if stuff like Numeron Network or Sargasso isn't on the field affecting the duelists, then yeah, I guess you just proved it can be effective on regular humans, weird how this is the only case of it happening irl tho.