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Yu-Gi-Oh! DM (Canonicity Issues + Changes) II
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Yes
It happened in the fight for the pieces of the Millenium Puzzle near the beginning of the movie.
Yes
It happened in the fight for the pieces of the Millenium Puzzle near the beginning of the movie.
Yes
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Ye he locks it up, but mid-duel he countered [forgettable villain]'s magic, here let me look for it.
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I tought Diva was a cool villian.
And, i think tier 3 prana makes tons of sense, specially at the end of the movie.
And, i think tier 3 prana makes tons of sense, specially at the end of the movie.
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Crzer07 said:
I dont think Marco is the only one who said Universal Prana was reasonable.
And i do too.
I mean, we even see it consume the universe on the finale.
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Does anyone have a clip of it consuming the universe?
I only remember the gradual destruction of the planet? (And it was mostly cities, not even the core)
I only remember the gradual destruction of the planet? (And it was mostly cities, not even the core)
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IIt's based off the fact Plana, who have traveled to other timelines, stated he was going to destroy everything , meaning it was gradually affecting the other timelines. Their travels is briefly referenced in the Movie . Otherwiise, i'll see if i can find a clip. This is more important atm.
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Uh
Plana is a life force, not a person
There was no timeline traveling
That was a massive reach
I think you mean travel to their plane, Prana.
Plana is a life force, not a person
There was no timeline traveling
That was a massive reach
I think you mean travel to their plane, Prana.
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Sorry. Haven't seen the movie in a bit. Anyways, it likely is.
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Diva is the one who has the Quatic Cube. (Aka. Prana.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I77so2-pto English Dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MON-YMMr7d8 Sub
Also, most of things that were stated above, like Kaiba summoning Obelisk out of literally will, resisting Prana´s BFR with the new duel disk, Kaiba has Time Travel, Atem reverses the damage of the quantic cube on a universal level, Obelisk destroying a dimension,Prana desintegrates its opponent in a conceptual level too, Atem can reverse its effects even if in another person´s mind, etc, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I77so2-pto English Dub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MON-YMMr7d8 Sub
Also, most of things that were stated above, like Kaiba summoning Obelisk out of literally will, resisting Prana´s BFR with the new duel disk, Kaiba has Time Travel, Atem reverses the damage of the quantic cube on a universal level, Obelisk destroying a dimension,Prana desintegrates its opponent in a conceptual level too, Atem can reverse its effects even if in another person´s mind, etc, etc.
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Diva has the Quantum Cube the source of Prana
1. Where did you get that actually? It was never explained in the movie.
2. I don't remember him trying BFR on Kaiba, are you talking about him resisting the creation of the pocket dimension?
3. That was actually confirmed to be Kaiba traveling to the afterlife by the tie-in manga.
4. Where did you get that?
5. Said dimension was the size of a room, I feel like that should be noted.
6. Where does conceptual destruction come from?
7. When did the effect reversal come from?
1. Where did you get that actually? It was never explained in the movie.
2. I don't remember him trying BFR on Kaiba, are you talking about him resisting the creation of the pocket dimension?
3. That was actually confirmed to be Kaiba traveling to the afterlife by the tie-in manga.
4. Where did you get that?
5. Said dimension was the size of a room, I feel like that should be noted.
6. Where does conceptual destruction come from?
7. When did the effect reversal come from?
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Kaiba didn't time travel, he accelerated his consciousness to be on level with the afterlife by using Duel Links technology. Too bad it near kills you though.
Atem reversing effects? If you're talking about Joey's mindwipe, that was just the whole Friendship meme that saves everyone in the series. Atem was the just the thing that first came up in his mind. Atem couldn't do jack shit anyway because he was gone in the afterlife, there was no physical or metaphysical way for him to affect anything up until Yugi wore the Millennium Puzzle. He was gone, he passed on, why would he interfere with anything he had no more business left? That defeats the purpose of the Egyptian afterlife.
Atem reversing effects? If you're talking about Joey's mindwipe, that was just the whole Friendship meme that saves everyone in the series. Atem was the just the thing that first came up in his mind. Atem couldn't do jack shit anyway because he was gone in the afterlife, there was no physical or metaphysical way for him to affect anything up until Yugi wore the Millennium Puzzle. He was gone, he passed on, why would he interfere with anything he had no more business left? That defeats the purpose of the Egyptian afterlife.
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Dude, did you even see the movie? Its downright stated.
Diva has the Quantum Cube the source of Prana
1. Kaiba didnt have obelisk on his deck, since all god cards dissapeared with the pharaoh. He summoned Obelisk right out of his head.
2. Before starting their duel, Diva tried to bfr/kill Kaiba with the Quantic Cube, before being blocked by his new duel disk.
3. Good enough, not time travel, maybe dimension hoping?
4. When he returned for a brief moment to summon Mahad and defeat corrupted Diva, he reversed the damaged done.
inb4 "But the pahraoh has the power to take away the QC´s power!" He has, but if his power was just mean to "take away their powers" the universe wouldnt have been restored, only the desctruction would have been stopped.
Aka- Atem restored/reversed universal levels of power.
5. Yeah, but it still destroyed a dimension, and you should know that you cannot prove it was just room level either since we do not see the outside.
6. From deleting Joey based on his memories, which are conceptual and metafisical.
If you delete someone by deleting his memories directly, its not brain damage or mind manipulaiton, its conceptual manipulation.
7. Atem saving Joey from being destroyed by Diva, he entered his memories and reversed all damage on Joey´s memories.
Remember, they were being FORGOTTEN by Joey, and once he forgot a single detail, the memories were GONE, but after recovering from Diva´s attack, he has his memories back. That means Yami can revert the damage done by prana on a conceptual level.
Diva has the Quantum Cube the source of Prana
1. Kaiba didnt have obelisk on his deck, since all god cards dissapeared with the pharaoh. He summoned Obelisk right out of his head.
2. Before starting their duel, Diva tried to bfr/kill Kaiba with the Quantic Cube, before being blocked by his new duel disk.
3. Good enough, not time travel, maybe dimension hoping?
4. When he returned for a brief moment to summon Mahad and defeat corrupted Diva, he reversed the damaged done.
inb4 "But the pahraoh has the power to take away the QC´s power!" He has, but if his power was just mean to "take away their powers" the universe wouldnt have been restored, only the desctruction would have been stopped.
Aka- Atem restored/reversed universal levels of power.
5. Yeah, but it still destroyed a dimension, and you should know that you cannot prove it was just room level either since we do not see the outside.
6. From deleting Joey based on his memories, which are conceptual and metafisical.
If you delete someone by deleting his memories directly, its not brain damage or mind manipulaiton, its conceptual manipulation.
7. Atem saving Joey from being destroyed by Diva, he entered his memories and reversed all damage on Joey´s memories.
Remember, they were being FORGOTTEN by Joey, and once he forgot a single detail, the memories were GONE, but after recovering from Diva´s attack, he has his memories back. That means Yami can revert the damage done by prana on a conceptual level.
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1. I know that. But you just said he did it out of will. Where was that stated.
2. I am 99% sure you're talking about Diva's Reality Warping.
3. Yes actually. However, it does require prep.
4. That, or the effects of Prana are removed as well, which is a much safer assumption that Yugi reversing "universal" (Still haven't shown that) destruction giving it has already been stated that his revival would remove Prana altogether.
5.... You do realize we later see a helicopter come from the outside, with everything not changed right?
6. That is literally memory destruction at is finest. Conceptual destruction is the destruction of concepts for crying out loud.
7. This is also literally just the friendship trope the verse is notorious for.
Most of what you said have been assumptions, do you have any links or quotes to even remotely help you here?
2. I am 99% sure you're talking about Diva's Reality Warping.
3. Yes actually. However, it does require prep.
4. That, or the effects of Prana are removed as well, which is a much safer assumption that Yugi reversing "universal" (Still haven't shown that) destruction giving it has already been stated that his revival would remove Prana altogether.
5.... You do realize we later see a helicopter come from the outside, with everything not changed right?
6. That is literally memory destruction at is finest. Conceptual destruction is the destruction of concepts for crying out loud.
7. This is also literally just the friendship trope the verse is notorious for.
Most of what you said have been assumptions, do you have any links or quotes to even remotely help you here?
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I think he meant that taking away prana would just stop it. But once Yami did his thing, he things were engulfed by prama were brought back.
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Ye, I understood that. It just seems that the moment Prana left, so did what it affected. Its actually common (Janemba's reality warping for example, or for example in Yugioh itself, the moment an Egyptian God disappears so does the storm they tend to create.)
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1. It was an expression. It came out of somewhere. And i dont wanna say his ass.
2. You are correct.
3. Yep
4. As Marco said before, the background doesnt show any stars as the prama is taking effect. If it had shown stars or other planets, we could be sure prana is a planetary scale feat. But if nothing its shown, it is most likely to represend universal.
And its not like the movie is shy from showing that the entire Manga DM verse is in one of the infinite number of orbs on the opening of the movie.
5.... That was after Obelisk destroyed the dimension, as it was destroyed, the only thing affected in the "main" dimension was Diva being pushed back, but you cannot say the dimension he created didnt get destroyed.
6. Yeah, sorry,. got that wrong. But Joey was physically being erased as well as the process continued, its not like it just wiped his memory clean and threw him back into the real world, the bullies from the start, Kaiba´s henchmen and the other victim´s of Diva´s QC shenanigans were indeed eliminated from history.
7. So, you are going to just ignore this feat as "friendship"? If anything, it means Joey has VERY, VERY high resistance to reality warping. Its more likely Atem´s influence was still with them the entire time.
I say the same to ya, pal.
2. You are correct.
3. Yep
4. As Marco said before, the background doesnt show any stars as the prama is taking effect. If it had shown stars or other planets, we could be sure prana is a planetary scale feat. But if nothing its shown, it is most likely to represend universal.
And its not like the movie is shy from showing that the entire Manga DM verse is in one of the infinite number of orbs on the opening of the movie.
5.... That was after Obelisk destroyed the dimension, as it was destroyed, the only thing affected in the "main" dimension was Diva being pushed back, but you cannot say the dimension he created didnt get destroyed.
6. Yeah, sorry,. got that wrong. But Joey was physically being erased as well as the process continued, its not like it just wiped his memory clean and threw him back into the real world, the bullies from the start, Kaiba´s henchmen and the other victim´s of Diva´s QC shenanigans were indeed eliminated from history.
7. So, you are going to just ignore this feat as "friendship"? If anything, it means Joey has VERY, VERY high resistance to reality warping. Its more likely Atem´s influence was still with them the entire time.
I say the same to ya, pal.
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1. You should probably use another expression given willpower manipulation is a thing.
4. That is way too big of an assumption to add to a profile.
5. Well in that case, we're left with nothing to base the size on other than speculation.
6. They explained it that he put Joey inside his own memories as he destroyed it. Extremely powerful pocket reality manip + memory destruction.
7. Well yeah, the friendship trope is rather major in yugioh
Lowballs (Which are the standard) based on what we do know =/= assuming higher ends out of nothing.
4. That is way too big of an assumption to add to a profile.
5. Well in that case, we're left with nothing to base the size on other than speculation.
6. They explained it that he put Joey inside his own memories as he destroyed it. Extremely powerful pocket reality manip + memory destruction.
7. Well yeah, the friendship trope is rather major in yugioh
Lowballs (Which are the standard) based on what we do know =/= assuming higher ends out of nothing.
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What did you mean by that?
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Aigami and Kaiba are the only ones affected by the Cube's abilities regardless of power, for IIRC Kaiba's newer tech that he develops bases off of the cube itself. And Aigami is obvious. Atem doesn't even do anything until he actually shows up at the end, which then ***** everything up because of the whole prophecy thing.
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Erm...Yes he does.
He saves Joey from Prana.
and Kaiba´s henchmen and the bullies were desintegrated/erased from existence. Kaiba only survived because of his new Duel Disk, and since Yugi also has it, it should give him this resistance too.
Not to mention your argument is easly debunked by seeing that Kaiba´s resistance could no longer protect him as his LP reached zero in the final duel, which is bound by DM mechanics.
again, are you that much against 3-A Yugioh? Because, it is quite likely at this point, and you are just saying the same argumetn from the start of the thread again.
He saves Joey from Prana.
and Kaiba´s henchmen and the bullies were desintegrated/erased from existence. Kaiba only survived because of his new Duel Disk, and since Yugi also has it, it should give him this resistance too.
Not to mention your argument is easly debunked by seeing that Kaiba´s resistance could no longer protect him as his LP reached zero in the final duel, which is bound by DM mechanics.
again, are you that much against 3-A Yugioh? Because, it is quite likely at this point, and you are just saying the same argumetn from the start of the thread again.
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Who are you responding to?
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Seriously. This has gone forever.
Cant we just agree on Universal Prana and Atem and be done with it?
Cant we just agree on Universal Prana and Atem and be done with it?
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Sure, once you have proof of it.
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Sure, but it has already been posted here. You just keep denying it.
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Because that is hardly evidence. I already pointed out that there being darkness covering the still not destroyed section of the city is far too speculative to say universal.
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If you say so.
1 -Universe spheres have been shown in the mangaverse on the openong. 2.-Corrupted Diva says he will destriy and recreate the world on his image. 3.-There are no stars as the Prana destroys the umiverse. 4.-When atem comes back, he restores the destroyed parts back to normal, and before you argue it was because he can negate prana by his presence alone, it would have just stopped Prana, not restored the damage done.
There? This has been proved over and over again.
1 -Universe spheres have been shown in the mangaverse on the openong. 2.-Corrupted Diva says he will destriy and recreate the world on his image. 3.-There are no stars as the Prana destroys the umiverse. 4.-When atem comes back, he restores the destroyed parts back to normal, and before you argue it was because he can negate prana by his presence alone, it would have just stopped Prana, not restored the damage done.
There? This has been proved over and over again.
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Like I said:
1. Irrelevant 2. The world can mean anything, particularly Earth, 3. Like I said before, far too assumptions, also circular logic, 4. Which we see that when Prana leaves, the effects are gone in cases before that (Such as the fact that the half-dimension created left the moment Diva did, Joey regaining his memories despite being destroyed).
This has been debunked twice already in this thread alone.
1. Irrelevant 2. The world can mean anything, particularly Earth, 3. Like I said before, far too assumptions, also circular logic, 4. Which we see that when Prana leaves, the effects are gone in cases before that (Such as the fact that the half-dimension created left the moment Diva did, Joey regaining his memories despite being destroyed).
This has been debunked twice already in this thread alone.
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1.-saying "Irrelevant doesnt make you sound smart nor make your atgument correct 2.-If it was just the planet we would have seen the stars. Debunked.
3.-Yet you assume its planet level? 4.-if they were just stopped, the things would have not returned to normal. The only thing that had been debunked here is your rebuttal. Just give up, dude.
3.-Yet you assume its planet level? 4.-if they were just stopped, the things would have not returned to normal. The only thing that had been debunked here is your rebuttal. Just give up, dude.
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1. No its irrelevant because the opening has nothing to do with something in the story other than being an opening. Its like me arguing Madoka has dream manipulation because her dreams came real in the opening.
2. You do realize we see the same dark aura on Joey right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yHRw3saW4
Even while the background still exists.
3. I never said planet level, I said unquantifiable. (Not to mention it is destruction over time)
4. And you say this right after I provided a list of examples of them returning to normal the moment Prana disappeared?
2. You do realize we see the same dark aura on Joey right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yHRw3saW4
Even while the background still exists.
3. I never said planet level, I said unquantifiable. (Not to mention it is destruction over time)
4. And you say this right after I provided a list of examples of them returning to normal the moment Prana disappeared?
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@Dark Apparently he is arguing that Atem has passive effect reverse on a Tier 3-A scale because the damage Diva did was undone the moment he reappeared on Earth (Ignoring the fact that it was already stated that all Prana would leave if he comes back and that every time Prana left so did its effects.)
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What are you talking about with " it was already stated that all Prana would leave if he comes back and that every time Prana left so did its effects."?
It was stated the powers would be gone if the pharaoh comes back, not that its effects would go away.
And even if, it would still be on Atem to reverse all the damage done by Prana.
It negated Prana, but reversing all the damage done is on Atem himself.
It was stated the powers would be gone if the pharaoh comes back, not that its effects would go away.
And even if, it would still be on Atem to reverse all the damage done by Prana.
It negated Prana, but reversing all the damage done is on Atem himself.
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The second half was me refering to a list of examples that when Prana leaves the immediate area, so did its effects. All of which happened without Atem btw.
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Are you actually listening to yourself? The main plot of the movie is tgat if the pharaoh comes back, the Diva children lose their powers, so they cannot kill bakura. For killing shadi.
And thats it. It never says anything about restoring alm the damage done. I didnt see Kaiba's guards or the bullies coming back to life.
Now its your time to prove what you are saying, Data. Prove that the legend itself says that it also reverses ALL damage done by prana.
If you cannot, think its obvious you do have somwthing for lying.
And thats it. It never says anything about restoring alm the damage done. I didnt see Kaiba's guards or the bullies coming back to life.
Now its your time to prove what you are saying, Data. Prove that the legend itself says that it also reverses ALL damage done by prana.
If you cannot, think its obvious you do have somwthing for lying.
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Oh, Bakura Bakura.
Diva wanted him dead because he killed Shadii under the influence of the ring.
Diva wanted him dead because he killed Shadii under the influence of the ring.
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