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Young Justice MAJOR UPGRADES

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A-1 = Zatanna and Artemis (9398.85 Kilojoules (Wall level, 9-B) = Dick Grayson (S1) = Tim Drake = Beast Boy (Base) < Batman (Wall+, 9-B+, Upscales from Zatanna/Artemis) = Red Arrow = Green Arrow = Barbara Gordon = Sportsmaster = (insert more peak humans)

A-2 = Aqualad (0.0223 Tons (Small Building level, 9-A) < Superboy (0.053621414914 Tons of TNT (Small Building level, 9-A) < Aqualad Shields (0.14630164759 tons (Small Building level+, 9-A+)

A-3 = Season 4 Kryptonians to Season 2 Captain Marvel level: (13.498862332695999555 Tons of TNT (City Block level, 8-B) to (4.76883455193 Kilotons, Small Town level+, Low 7-C+)

A-4 = Fullpower Superman/Shazam (78.055 Megatons (City level+, 7-B+) < Red Tornado (1.068 Gigatons (Large Mountain level, 7-A) < Bart Max KE (2.101 Gigatons (Large Mountain level, 7-A) < Barry Max KE (2.611 Gigatons (Large Mountain level, 7-A)

A-5 = Doctor Fate, Klarion and Child (46.365 Teratons (Country level, 6-B) to (607.31 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level, High 6-A)
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If this is better for now, then characters like Miss Martian, Blue Beetle, Impulse, Vandal Savage, Black Beetle, Despero and Lobo need to be added somewhere on here.
 
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If Superboy's stated to be the strongest on the team followed by the 3 girls
And Impulse is on the team
And Impulse has his High 7-A calc
Does Superboy scale to High 7-A?
 
KingTempest said:
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If Superboy's stated to be the strongest on the team followed by the 3 girls
And Impulse is on the team
And Impulse has his High 7-A calc
Does Superboy scale to High 7-A?
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Isn't High 7-A Bart at his peak? I don't think Bart would be High 7-A normally.
 
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but where is regular Barry and regular Impulse's tiers? Like without their max KE and whatnot.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
His High 7-A Bart at his peak? I don't think Bart would be High 7-A normally.
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He's High 7-A at peak, but they mention stuff like non regular physicals (magic amps) when referencing how he's the strongest on the team

This would scale to Bart & Barry regardless, which is the weird part
 
KingTempest said:
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If Superboy's stated to be the strongest on the team followed by the 3 girls
And Impulse is on the team
And Impulse has his High 7-A calc
Does Superboy scale to High 7-A?
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Nah superboy is very consistently 9-A he definitely shouldn't scale beyond that, he's just higher up than other 9-As on the totem pole he shouldn't be anything above 8-B sadly and that's apparently a big if too consider the weakened kryptonians feats in s4 and unfortunately if Superboy is 7-A then that'd mean aqualad and every other 9-A is 7-A as well since to some degree Aqualad downscales superboy albiet superboy is majorly above him in the 9-A scale but still, and the other 9-A are all relative to aqualad moreso than SB do it makes it all circular

I'll go on a limb and say greg didn't consider the speedster KE shit when talking about that since he seems to think flash is peak human at best and just given some extra oomph with speed that puts him higher
 
Like I said before, scaling above Red Tornado's powers for being physically stronger isn't the kind of terms Greg tends to think in—it's quite the opposite. So I still disagree with that, especially him being physically stronger than Fate, who's basically a human unless he chooses to amplify his physical capabilities.

Supes can just be above Barry and Impulse.
 
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I'm alright with scaling the shield he made to the explosion. To me the shield's surface area and distance are good enough for full scaling.

It's very obviously more than 2 m^2 in size, since he blocked the explosion from reaching the people behind him. So taking the numbers that Tempest said above, the shield would be 2X higher at 0.28 Tons, assuming its surface area was 2 m^2. It's obviously much bigger than that though.

Note: There comes a point where the inverse square law gives higher results than the blast itself when it's too close. It can also give higher results if the surface area of the object getting hit is bigger than the surface area of the explosion by the time it hits the object.

The shield is bigger than the explosion by the time it impacts it, and is so close to the blast. It also looks way closer than half a meter to me.
 
I'm not sure how to calculate it, since this is a chain reaction and the size is insanely inconsistent (for example, the column takes up a huge portion of the cascade, yet Re is very visible next to it). Maybe we could divide this (29 gigatons) by time, since it's the minimum energy to cause a chain reaction that'd ignite the atmosphere.

Usually, I'd be against such things, but the cascade was reaching a level where it had the energy to ignite the atmosphere, not gaining more energy than causing the chain reaction by reaching that level.

Edit: It's about 4 minutes in episode time. 29 gigatons / 4 minutes is just over baseline Mountain level.
 
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ByAsura said:
I'm not sure how to calculate it, since this is a chain reaction and the size is insanely inconsistent (for example, the column takes up a huge portion of the cascade, yet Re is very visible next to it). Maybe we could divide this (29 gigatons) by time, since it's the minimum energy to cause a chain reaction that'd ignite the atmosphere.

Usually, I'd be against such things, but the cascade was reaching a level where it had the energy to ignite the atmosphere, not gaining more energy than causing the chain reaction by reaching that level.

Edit: It's about 4 minutes in episode time. 29 gigatons / 4 minutes is just over baseline Mountain level.
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I think that seems fine and **** it'd solidify that mountain level tier
 
ByAsura said:
Like I said before, scaling above Red Tornado's powers for being physically stronger isn't the kind of terms Greg tends to think in—it's quite the opposite. So I still disagree with that, especially him being physically stronger than Fate, who's basically a human unless he chooses to amplify his physical capabilities.

Supes can just be above Barry and Impulse.
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Completely agreed
Galvino said:
Does anyone scale to this calc?
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Other Green Lanterns with a varied range between low 7-C+ to 7-A since we know they aren't always at their peaks
They are confirmed situationally stronger than Superman soif Superman scales the Flash and Impulse peaks which we all seem to agree with then it'd just vary from low 7-C+ to high 7-A


Are we all fine with this
 
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This is the lanterns scaling to the Barry and Bart Stop MFD Rotation calc? Confused on where is coming from.
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Low 7-C+ is the war world missile feat that they directly scale to, them being high 7-A comes from them being stronger than Superman at their peaks.
 
ByAsura said:
I'm not sure how to calculate it, since this is a chain reaction and the size is insanely inconsistent (for example, the column takes up a huge portion of the cascade, yet Re is very visible next to it). Maybe we could divide this (29 gigatons) by time, since it's the minimum energy to cause a chain reaction that'd ignite the atmosphere.

Usually, I'd be against such things, but the cascade was reaching a level where it had the energy to ignite the atmosphere, not gaining more energy than causing the chain reaction by reaching that level.

Edit: It's about 4 minutes in episode time. 29 gigatons / 4 minutes is just over baseline Mountain level.
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Huh. Consistency ig.
 
A-1 = Zatanna and Artemis (9398.85 Kilojoules (Wall level, 9-B) = Dick Grayson (S1) = Tim Drake = Beast Boy (Base) < Batman (Wall+, 9-B+, Upscales from Zatanna/Artemis) = Red Arrow = Green Arrow = Barbara Gordon = Sportsmaster = (insert more peak humans)

A-2 = Aqualad (0.0223 Tons (Small Building level, 9-A) < Superboy (0.053621414914 Tons of TNT (Small Building level, 9-A) < Aqualad Shields (0.14630164759 tons (Small Building level+, 9-A+)

A-3 = Varies from Season 4 Kryptonians to Season 2 Captain Marvel/Lanterns level: (13.498862332695999555 Tons of TNT (City Block level, 8-B) to (4.76883455193 Kilotons, Small Town level+, Low 7-C+)

A-4 = Blue Beetle (78.055 Megatons (City level+, 7-B+)

A-5 = Red Tornado (1.068 Gigatons (Large Mountain level, High 7-A) < Bart Max KE (2.101 Gigatons (Large Mountain level, High 7-A) < Barry Max KE (2.611 Gigatons (Large Mountain level, High 7-A) = Fullpower Superman/Shazam (Scale to Flash, Large Mountain level, 7-A) = Blue Beetle = Black Beetle < Peak Lanterns (Stated above Superman (Large Mountain level, High 7-A)

A-6 = Doctor Fate, Klarion and Child (607.31 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level, High 6-A)
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This is what I got so far, now we just need to know what other characters scale to who and belong in which tier
 
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Excel616 said:
Why is Red Tornado above Superman?
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He isn't above Superman in the scaling chain Superman just doesn’t scale to Red Tornado's peak
Galvino said:
A-4 = Blue Beetle (78.055 Megatons (City level+, 7-B+)
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Blue beetle scales wherever Superman scales, same with Black Beetle aside from that this is all generally fine thought fate and Klarion would just be a solid high 6-A as the 6-B feat is just a support
 
We never saw him at fullpower because Dick ruined their solar machine thing but I assume the idea Zod WOULD be equal to Clark if he had more time.
 
ByAsura said:
Does Lor-Zod scale to Superman, btw? I haven't seen the full series.
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He scales to the green lantern who has the 7-A feat and since he wasn't nerfed there I'd think it safe to say he is probably at that level normally
 
Galvino said:
What do you think about Child?
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Same thing for her
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So, even weakened Kryptonians scale to Re, then.
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Wait was he weakened when he fought him I mean bare minimum lets say hypothetically each shield needed exactly half of his power to hold off either the atmosphere shit or the beam then since it would've broken with him only having been half focused then that'd make the Kryptonian guy at least City+ for being over 50 megatons
 
Galvino said:
You sure that feat doesn't count as like peak lantern instead of that being Re's normal level?
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Huh it is more likely than not that lanterns peak, I mean the Kryptonian guy if he wasn't nerfed there then this was his normal level
 
Dalesean027 said:
Wait was he weakened when he fought him I mean bare minimum lets say hypothetically each shield needed exactly half of his power to hold off either the atmosphere shit or the beam then since it would've broken with him only having been half focused then that'd make the Kryptonian guy at least City+ for being over 50 megatons
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I'm neutral on the "half" thing since it seems to me, imo, unquantifiable or headcanon to say so. However if Asura or KT agree, then screw it, why not.
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Huh it is more likely than not that lanterns peak, I mean the Kryptonian guy if he wasn't nerfed there then this was his normal level
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I'm not sure I understand. I am indeed saying that the feat was most likely Re's peak, but the combat with Lor immediately before was not Re's peak. Therefore Lor wouldn't scale to Re's feat. That's what I'm saying anyway, if you disagree lmk why.
 
Galvino said:
I'm neutral on the "half" thing since it seems to me, imo, unquantifiable or headcanon to say so. However if Asura or KT agree, then screw it, why not.
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This isn't real proposal I said its a hypothetical IF we were to say each shield required half of his power but yeah ultimately its a unquantifiable
Galvino said:
I'm not sure I understand. I am indeed saying that the feat was most likely Re's peak, but the combat with Lor immediately before was not Re's peak. Therefore Lor wouldn't scale to Re's feat. That's what I'm saying anyway, if you disagree lmk why
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That's fine the point is Lor would still scale to the Lantern at his normal levels there, that's precisely why I keep asking if Lor was nerfed there because if not then he'd normally scale to Latern levels bare minimum being low 7-C+ normally

I'm not trying to argue he scales to the top of the top of verse, that's why im asking the questions im asking
 
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Dalesean027 said:
This isn't real proposal I said its a hypothetical IF we were to say each shield required half of his power but yeah ultimately its a unquantifiable
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Ah okay
Dalesean027 said:
That's fine the point is Lor would still scale to the Lantern there That's precisely why I keep asking if Lor was nerfed there because if not then he'd normally scale to Latern levels bare minimum being low 7-C+ normally
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If you're referring to when Metron poisoned him, Lor rested for like 24 hours and I don't remember anything implying he was weaker at that point.
Dalesean027 said:
I'm not trying to argue he scales to the top of the top of verse
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Nah I didn't think that.
 
Galvino said:
If you're referring to when Metron poisoned him, Lor rested for like 24 hours and I don't remember anything implying he was weaker at that point.
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Okay then yeah I guess Lor would just be low 7-C+ normally then and if we want a weakened key would it be 8-B or 9-A @ByAsura because emerald empress has an 8-B feat
 
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