Yoshikage Kira vs Korra

[BrackishBrineBroth]

I know that grace has already been called, but I feel like Avatars would be able to see stands due to their closeness with spirits. And Korra did see that dark version of herself that another spirit also saw, but normal humans couldn't perceive.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I know that grace has already been called, but I feel like Avatars would be able to see stands due to their closeness with spirits. And Korra did see that dark version of herself that another spirit also saw, but normal humans couldn't perceive.

Stands are invisible even to ghosts.

 

[BrackishBrineBroth]

Ah, didn't know that.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Wouldn't that give a chance for kira to close in with KQ?

Haven't watched avatar so idk how quick Korra could do the technique, also SBA leaves them several dozen meters apart (Korra's range) and since Korra knows about SHA she will attempt to make some distance which she can via water bending as it says this on her profile:

Korra has demonstrated a high level of skill in waterbending - She is capable of creating large walls of ice, powerful water whips, and water waves strong enough to push back opponents of enormous size. She can also launch herself high into the air and maintain the height on a gigantic waterspout easily, fight off several aerial attacks with various water attacks, and propel herself plus another person through the water at high-speeds to avoid attacks

Assuming she makes some distance and coats herself with an ice layer around her body couldn't she abuse the range advantage since she has several dozen meters with bending while Kira only has extended melee range with killer Queen (SHA won't target her since the ice will lower her body heat an make it target something warmer)?

She can make large walls of ice and water waves big enough to push giant sized opponents so Killer Queen will struggle to consistently block all of Korra's attacks while she can abuse her range advantage against Kira to beat him eventually since she has comparable stamina (hers says very high while Kira's says high but Kira's stamina has a justification while Korra's doesn't).

 

[Arceus0x]

Kira could turn the walls into bombs

 

[SemiRaedi]

Kira could turn the walls into bombs

Consistently? How many bombs at a time can he do, can killer Queen touch multiple walls at a time? Can Killer Queen detonate several of the walls the moment it touches them? Can Killer Queen also deal with the fire attacks from Korra such as continuous fire stream attacks mixed in with the walls (idk if this is pushing it due to her intelligence being low and others commenting on her being rather brute forceish in this key)?

Saying he can turn the walls into bombs doesn't help that much, what happens if there are two or more walls?

 

[StekFence]

Couldn't Korra cover her ass in ice (like a layer of ice around her body) since SHA tracks via body heat?

That’s not nesscaily gonna lower her body heat by a lot, especially as there are no better targets

 

[Chariot190]

Consistently? How many bombs at a time can he do, can killer Queen touch multiple walls at a time? Can Killer Queen detonate several of the walls the moment it touches them? Can Killer Queen also deal with the fire attacks from Korra such as continuous fire stream attacks mixed in with the walls (idk if this is pushing it due to her intelligence being low and others commenting on her being rather brute forceish in this key)?

Saying he can turn the walls into bombs doesn't help that much, what happens if there are two or more walls?

He can have SHA up as well as his normal Stand.

He can make one contact bomb at any time and detonate it whenever no matter the distance, this is atop of SHA tho, which he can have out at the same time, which has infinite range.

Killer Queen also can't be touched by Korra, the thing is, her win condition is entirely reliant on hurting Kira, she straight up can't see, touch, sense or anything of the sort in regards to KQ or SHA, she straight up can't do anything about them. Hell if Kira wanted to he could just **** off and leave SHA around to to take Korra out with a command of "don't return till she's dead". Eventually Korra is gonna get exhausted fooling it, something SHA won't get because it's an automatic tracking Stand that has infinite Stamina.

 

[SemiRaedi]

That’s not nesscaily gonna lower her body heat by a lot, especially as there are no better targets

Assuming they're in a city, wouldn't SHA go for anything that is under normal heat, plus she has fire bending so she could just set something on fire to always distract SHA keeps it out of the equation

He can have SHA up as well as his normal Stand.

Ik, see above as a possible counter to SHA

He can make one contact bomb at any time and detonate it whenever no matter the distance, this is atop of SHA tho, which he can have out at the same time, which has infinite range.

If he can only make one contact bomb at a time then how does Kira counter getting repeatedly hit by several ice walls?

Killer Queen also can't be touched by Korra, the thing is, her win condition is entirely reliant on hurting Kira, she straight up can't see, touch, sense or anything of the sort in regards to KQ or SHA, she straight up can't do anything about them. Hell if Kira wanted to he could just **** off and leave SHA around to to take Korra out with a command of "don't return till she's dead". Eventually Korra is gonna get exhausted fooling it, something SHA won't get because it's an automatic tracking Stand that has infinite Stamina.

Set something on fire + coat body with ice = SHA distracted

So how does Kira deal with having multiple ice attacks shoved into his face or having several water jets or whatever bending crap Korra uses and just bombarding Kira with that since she has knowledge he has an invisible guy with a range of 2 meters and can turn stuff into bombs if she gets close?

 

[CBslayeR]

So how does Kira deal with having multiple ice attacks shoved into his face or having several water jets or whatever bending crap Korra uses and just bombarding Kira with that since she has knowledge he has an invisible guy with a range of 2 meters and can turn stuff into bombs if she gets close?

KQ can just block it

 

[CBslayeR]

Also if Korra plays a range game nothing stops Kira from throwing a projectile he turned into a bomb like he did with Shigeki

 

[Chariot190]

Assuming they're in a city, wouldn't SHA go for anything that is under normal heat, plus she has fire bending so she could just set something on fire to always distract SHA keeps it out of the equation

Central Park, and no? You're acting like there's a bunch of super hot things just laying around, there isn't, that's a complete nonissue, need I remind you that Kira has zero issue actively using SHA, in the middle of an urban environment, it's literally the main environment he uses it in. And cool she sets something on fire, and then SHA blows it up and now it's gone. She's going to have to constantly be doing that, and again, that's assuming Kira can't just command it manually.

And that's without getting into the fact SHA actually has some minor intellect, if he's fooled and detonates something that's hot, he'd know if it was a human or not, it points this out himself, and then proceed to ignore it because it nows know what it blasted wasn't flesh. All that is is a minor inconvenience that can be circumvented several ways.



SHA can be fooled, but he's only going to be fooled by one thing, one time. If it knows it ain't human, he ain't gonna **** with it anymore.

Ik, see above as a possible counter to SHA

Minor inconvenience at best, as long as Kira himself is around to help out.

If he can only make one contact bomb at a time then how does Kira counter getting repeatedly hit by several ice walls?

You do know KQ has building level AP? He can rip through something as fragile as ice, which in and of itself is like a dozen times more fragile to even concrete or stone. Especially given how many times it can land a blow in a short timeframe.

Set something on fire + coat body with ice = SHA distracted

"Hey SHA, this way". Or just call SHA back and then release him when he's closer.

So how does Kira deal with having multiple ice attacks shoved into his face or having several water jets or whatever bending crap Korra uses and just bombarding Kira with that since she has knowledge he has an invisible guy with a range of 2 meters and can turn stuff into bombs if she gets close?

By using KQ to protect himself? You do know she can't harm it. Also SHA is still a win condition.
Or hell, what's stopping Kira from tossing objects at her and then detonating them or transferring the charge, because don't forget he can do that, he can make something a bomb, and if that something touches something else, he can move the charge over to that new thing, and detonate them instead. She makes a wall of something to block the tossed object? Bam, that wall explodes in her face. She uses ice armor? Bam, her armor explodes with her in it. Etc. She has to deal with a bunch of shit here lad, not just SHA, and Kira's win condition is twice fold, if SHA gets her, he wins (And he outranges her hard with it). Or KQ wins on contact, or anything KQ has made contact with making contact. Or KQ just getting in range or close enough to where the overpressure begins to hurt.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Central Park, and no? You're acting like there's a bunch of super hot things just laying around, there isn't, that's a complete nonissue, need I remind you that Kira has zero issue actively using SHA, in the middle of an urban environment, it's literally the main environment he uses it in.

Fair enough

And cool she sets something on fire, and then SHA blows it up and now it's gone.

Rinse and repeat

She's going to have to constantly be doing that, and again,

Ok? Just projects a bit of fire onto a tree each time which takes 0 effort

that's assuming Kira can't just command it manually.

Can he though? It's been awhile since I have seen DIU and from what I've read in Kira's profile I don't see anything letting him control SHA

And that's without getting into the fact SHA actually has some minor intellect, if he's fooled and detonates something that's hot, he'd know if it was a human or not, it points this out himself, and then proceed to ignore it because it nows know what it blasted wasn't flesh. All that is is a minor inconvenience that can be circumvented several ways.

Ok so let's say SHA detonates a burning tree, realises it isn't flesh, will SHA be able to recognise that some random building Korra set on fire isn't flesh too before attempting to blow that up? It may be a minor inconvenience but multiple minor inconveniences become much more major together

SHA can be fooled, but he's only going to be fooled by one thing, one time. If it knows it ain't human, he ain't gonna **** with it anymore.

Like above, will SHA recognise random different stuff set on fire before blowing it up though? If not then Korra just has to set a different thing on fire each time

Minor inconvenience at best, as long as Kira himself is around to help out.

How so? I argued against the minor inconvenience part but has Kira shown he can manually control SHA?

You do know KQ has building level AP? He can rip through something as fragile as ice, which in and of itself is like a dozen times more fragile to even concrete or stone. Especially given how many times it can land a blow in a short timeframe.

Korra's ice is building level too so how is he going to butter through it like your implying...? Due to being building level + Korra's attacks are 1.125 tons while Kira has a normal 8-C rating for Killer Queen so Killer Queen has lower AP than the ice (not that big of a disadvantage though).

"Hey SHA, this way". Or just call SHA back and then release him when he's closer.

I get the release when closer bit but has Kira shown he can say "yo SHA, your going the wrong way"?

By using KQ to protect himself? You do know she can't harm it.

Protect himself from ice attacks with slightly higher AP than KQ coming from all 4 directions under speed equalised? I get she can't harm it but can it seriously protect Kira from attacks coming from Infront, behind and so on at the same time?

Also SHA is still a win condition.
Or hell, what's stopping Kira from tossing objects at her and then detonating them or transferring the charge, because don't forget he can do that, he can make something a bomb, and if that something touches something else, he can move the charge over to that new thing, and detonate them instead. She makes a wall of something to block the tossed object? Bam, that wall explodes in her face. She uses ice armor? Bam, her armor explodes with her in it.

Dodge, she knows he can turn stuff into bombs so she either uses wind bending to blow away the direction of the projectiles or use water to propel herself away. Worst case scenario she can tank something exploding onto her as long as she doesn't turn into a bomb herself.

Etc. She has to deal with a bunch of shit here lad, not just SHA, and Kira's win condition is twice fold, if SHA gets her, he wins (And he outranges her hard with it). Or KQ wins on contact, or anything KQ has made contact with making contact. Or KQ just getting in range or close enough to where the overpressure begins to hurt.

Yeah but like I said above, bombarding Kira with ice attacks from several directions at the same time should naturally make it hard for Killer Queen to block them all. Sure KQ turns one ice wall into a bomb or just uses a barrage to fragment one into bits but meanwhile there are other ice walls coming at Kira from 3 other directions each slightly stronger than KQ.

KQ can just block it

How? How does one character block multiple walls of ice coming at them at the same time, if Korra hits him with ice walls from forward, backwards, left and right are you arguing Killer Queen can block all of those at the same time?

Also if Korra plays a range game nothing stops Kira from throwing a projectile he turned into a bomb like he did with Shigeki

Fair enough, but she can still use wind bending to blow the projectiles away or dodge with her mobility abilities.

 

[Chariot190]

Rinse and repeat

Ain't gonna be as easy as you're making it out to be, she's in her early on key, she isn't an infallible expert yet, gonna be hard pressed to always have a fire up when she's being attacked by like 3 different lethal things at once.

Ok? Just projects a bit of fire onto a tree each time which takes 0 effort

And then the trees get dusted by SHA or by KQ. This isn't a real workaround when Kira is quite literally here to workaround it, and when she run's out of shit to light up she's ****** anyway, SHA can go forever, she can't, she has limited resources to work with, SHA doesn't.

Can he though? It's been awhile since I have seen DIU and from what I've read in Kira's profile I don't see anything letting him control SHA

Why wouldn't he? Ignoring it's the same bomb as Alt Kira, who can give manual inputs to it as long as he's around to do so, the heat seeking factor of SHA exists solely so it can carry out tasks while he's not around and to kill a target without himself being around to avoid being caught.

But yeah, he probably can, why? Because he seemingly already has. Once SHA finishes the target, it comes back to Kira, without ******* with anything else, it'll even go across town to reach Kira, multiple kilometers, without going after anything that's hot or heated, it simply just returns to him once the target Kira appointed is dead. Because that's the commands it was given, that being "Kill this person" and "Once dead return to me". If Kira can tell which target to kill and then tell it to return straight to him without ******* with anything else, it's clear he can at least command it to a degree. Don't see why he can't make use of those commands here, why wouldn't he be able to go "Hey go this SHA instead of toward that". O

Like above, will SHA recognise random different stuff set on fire before blowing it up though? If not then Korra just has to set a different thing on fire each time

Yeah because there's how many things to set on fire here? Trees? Ok that's one. Grass maybe? Ok that's another. And then what? Is she gonna set the pond on fire? Honestly, if Kira really wanted to, he could probably **** off, and force Korra into an everlasting game of lighting stuff on fire trying to escape SHA, except Korra can't last forever due to stamina and resources to light in the first place, SHA on the other hand will last forever till called back.

How so? I argued against the minor inconvenience part but has Kira shown he can manually control SHA?

And I'm arguing it's not as big a deal as long as Kira is actually around to help work around that.

Korra's ice is building level too so how is he going to butter through it like your implying...? Due to being building level + Korra's attacks are 1.125 tons while Kira has a normal 8-C rating for Killer Queen so Killer Queen has lower AP than the ice (not that big of a disadvantage though).

I'm almost 100% positive that isn't even how her ice works, she has 8-C AP with the ice, doesn't mean the ice has 8-C durability, she can make 8-C structures with it, but it doesn't make the ice 8-C durability wise, I'm ******* certain that isn't how it works.
And yeah, he will, he's landing what, tens of thousands of blows on the ice? He's gonna be able to break through it lad, especially when Korra is gonna need to stop every few moments to do something about the invisible bomber tank she doesn't know where it is or where it's coming from and pray she diverts its attention long enough to continue fighting. Because reminder, if she lets up for even a moment, SHA is gonna get her, and it's gonna basically vaporize her on contact. which, fyi, she isn't gonna be able to tell because as said, can't perceive it, she straight up can't afford not to spend basically all her time worrying about SHA.

I get the release when closer bit but has Kira shown he can say "yo SHA, your going the wrong way"?

See above.

Protect himself from ice attacks with slightly higher AP than KQ coming from all 4 directions under speed equalised? I get she can't harm it but can it seriously protect Kira from attacks coming from Infront, behind and so on at the same time?

Uh yeah, the ice attacks can't actually hurt KQ, KQ itself doesn't need to worry, that allows it to attack it back with zero worry. And speed equal? Could be wrong, but going by Reaper's recent arguments on threads, I don't think Stands actually get equalized? Could be wrong, but that's what he's been going with in recent vs matches because they're summons with a different speed compared to the main body apparently. If true, KQ would actually still have it's speed advantage, though Kira and Korra would be equalized.

Also as said, could she even pull that off? While dealing with SHA? Because as said, she straight up can't tell when it's coming or not, if she let's up to attack Kira for even a few moments, that could spell disaster.

Dodge, she knows he can turn stuff into bombs so she either uses wind bending to blow away the direction of the projectiles or use water to propel herself away. Worst case scenario she can tank something exploding onto her as long as she doesn't turn into a bomb herself.

Dodge, sure, except can she? Again, SHA a thing, what's stopping Kira from just timing it with when SHA is coming and thus she must fire manip? Hell what's stopping Kira from tossing a handful of things at once? She wouldn't know what's a bomb and what isn't, if he just picks up a fist of something, turns one of them out of dozens into bombs, if that one out of the pile makes, it's fair game. Also, using wind manip might be a bad idea, what's stopping Kira from transferring the Bomb Charge from the object to the burst of wind used against it? Because don't forget, Kira can turn air into bombs too, if a tangible gust of air moves the object, why wouldn't he move teh charge to the air then light up the air and having it blow up in her face, kinda like lighting up a trail of fuel with a match?

Yeah but like I said above, bombarding Kira with ice attacks from several directions at the same time should naturally make it hard for Killer Queen to block them all. Sure KQ turns one ice wall into a bomb or just uses a barrage to fragment one into bits but meanwhile there are other ice walls coming at Kira from 3 other directions each slightly stronger than KQ.

Above.

How? How does one character block multiple walls of ice coming at them at the same time, if Korra hits him with ice walls from forward, backwards, left and right are you arguing Killer Queen can block all of those at the same time?

At least two, a third can be dealt with a bomb. So at least one wall is a issue, but at that point, just dodge, not like Korra aint gonna have her hands full either way.

Fair enough, but she can still use wind bending to blow the projectiles away or dodge with her mobility abilities.

He can turn air into bombs tho, it's one of his main tactics later on, it's why he raised Stray Cat. If Korra uses a sufficient tangible gust of air to block the projectile (Which it definitely is, her air manip would definitely qualify), Kira can just go "lol k" and move the charge from the object to the gust of air.


Anyway. Kira can, at the very least, give SHA simple commands, notably, that being who to kill, and where to go after killing, don't see why, as long as he's around, he can't just be more explicit with the latter and tell SHA to avoid things and go somewhere. Of course if he ***** off, SHA has to rely on infrared, it's basic minded after all, can't do things by itself.

Using air to block projectiles might be bad, Bomb#1 actually works on the air, he should be able to transfer charges to that and light up the air instead.

Korra honestly can't afford to let up her focus on SHA, sure she can do a bunch of things, but is she ever gonna get a chance when SHA is always gonna be trying to kill her and she can't exactly pinpoint WHEN to light things ablaze and just has to pray she's doing it right and at the optimal times? Atop of dealing with Kira using projectiles and traps. Or, if Kira decides to, try to get within 2m of her to contact bomb her (that or **** off and just wait till SHA deals with her, regardless of how long that takes, even if it takes days).

She still cant see, sense and harm the Stands, that gives Kira leeway and some ok protection, it isn't infallible but it's better than nothing.

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Yoshikage Kira FRA. From what Chariot has explained, the winner in this match seems to go for Kira for me.

 

[Sonicflare9]

grace done?

 

[Sonicflare9]

can this be added now

 

[Daddybrawl]

I agree that Kira probably wins this, with the overpowering offense of SHA in addition to KQ’s bombardment. In fact, last I checked it’s even in character for him to use both SHA and KQ together when he realizes they can only stop one- see the fight against Koichi for example.

.He can turn air into bombs tho, it's one of his main tactics later on, it's why he raised Stray Cat. If Korra uses a sufficient tangible gust of air to block the projectile (Which it definitely is, her air manip would definitely qualify), Kira can just go "lol k" and move the charge from the object to the gust of air.

But I have a problem with this. Since when has he been able to turn air into Bombs? Stray Cat specifically makes air Bubbles, something that’s actually tangible. He can’t touch a gust of air to turn it into a Bomb.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I agree that Kira probably wins this, with the overpowering offense of SHA in addition to KQ’s bombardment. In fact, last I checked it’s even in character for him to use both SHA and KQ together when he realizes they can only stop one- see the fight against Koichi for example.


But I have a problem with this. Since when has he been able to turn air into Bombs? Stray Cat specifically makes air Bubbles, something that’s actually tangible. He can’t touch a gust of air to turn it into a Bomb.

Stray Cats bubbles aren't soap bubbles; they are literally air shaped as a sphere and launched

 

[Daddybrawl]

Stray Cats bubbles aren't soap bubbles; they are literally air shaped as a sphere and launched

I didn’t say Soap Bubbles. I said Air Bubbles- pockets of air if you will, whatever floats your boat. I honestly don’t know a better word than Bubble ngl lol

These Air Bubbles still appear to be tangible. They interact with the walls Crazy Diamond makes, Stray Cat shoots them up Kira’s blood stream, etc., they aren’t like a literal gust of air. You can touch a bubble, you can’t touch the wind.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

they aren’t like a literal gust of air.

But that's the thing. They are.

It's literally just air, just shaped.

As Chariot said; if Korra shapes enough volume of air, KQ should be able to turn it into a bomb.

 

[Daddybrawl]

But that's the thing. They are.

It's literally just air, just shaped.

More specifically- it’s a bubble. There’s no air in the middle, and it’s made clear the stuff’s tangible. I think I remember it squeezing through cracks, and squishing against someone at one point when it was chasing Josuke? I’d have to look again in a bit ngl

As Chariot said; if Korra shapes enough volume of air, KQ should be able to turn it into a bomb.

I agree with this, but something as simple as a gust of air shouldn’t be enough. A wall of air? Probably, but a wind isn’t solid. You can’t touch a gust of wind like you can a bubble.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Ain't gonna be as easy as you're making it out to be, she's in her early on key, she isn't an infallible expert yet, gonna be hard pressed to always have a fire up when she's being attacked by like 3 different lethal things at once.


And then the trees get dusted by SHA or by KQ. This isn't a real workaround when Kira is quite literally here to workaround it, and when she run's out of shit to light up she's ****** anyway, SHA can go forever, she can't, she has limited resources to work with, SHA doesn't.


Why wouldn't he? Ignoring it's the same bomb as Alt Kira, who can give manual inputs to it as long as he's around to do so, the heat seeking factor of SHA exists solely so it can carry out tasks while he's not around and to kill a target without himself being around to avoid being caught.

But yeah, he probably can, why? Because he seemingly already has. Once SHA finishes the target, it comes back to Kira, without ******* with anything else, it'll even go across town to reach Kira, multiple kilometers, without going after anything that's hot or heated, it simply just returns to him once the target Kira appointed is dead. Because that's the commands it was given, that being "Kill this person" and "Once dead return to me". If Kira can tell which target to kill and then tell it to return straight to him without ******* with anything else, it's clear he can at least command it to a degree. Don't see why he can't make use of those commands here, why wouldn't he be able to go "Hey go this SHA instead of toward that". O


Yeah because there's how many things to set on fire here? Trees? Ok that's one. Grass maybe? Ok that's another. And then what? Is she gonna set the pond on fire? Honestly, if Kira really wanted to, he could probably **** off, and force Korra into an everlasting game of lighting stuff on fire trying to escape SHA, except Korra can't last forever due to stamina and resources to light in the first place, SHA on the other hand will last forever till called back.


And I'm arguing it's not as big a deal as long as Kira is actually around to help work around that.



I'm almost 100% positive that isn't even how her ice works, she has 8-C AP with the ice, doesn't mean the ice has 8-C durability, she can make 8-C structures with it, but it doesn't make the ice 8-C durability wise, I'm ******* certain that isn't how it works.
And yeah, he will, he's landing what, tens of thousands of blows on the ice? He's gonna be able to break through it lad, especially when Korra is gonna need to stop every few moments to do something about the invisible bomber tank she doesn't know where it is or where it's coming from and pray she diverts its attention long enough to continue fighting. Because reminder, if she lets up for even a moment, SHA is gonna get her, and it's gonna basically vaporize her on contact. which, fyi, she isn't gonna be able to tell because as said, can't perceive it, she straight up can't afford not to spend basically all her time worrying about SHA.


See above.

Uh yeah, the ice attacks can't actually hurt KQ, KQ itself doesn't need to worry, that allows it to attack it back with zero worry. And speed equal? Could be wrong, but going by Reaper's recent arguments on threads, I don't think Stands actually get equalized? Could be wrong, but that's what he's been going with in recent vs matches because they're summons with a different speed compared to the main body apparently. If true, KQ would actually still have it's speed advantage, though Kira and Korra would be equalized.

Also as said, could she even pull that off? While dealing with SHA? Because as said, she straight up can't tell when it's coming or not, if she let's up to attack Kira for even a few moments, that could spell disaster.



Dodge, sure, except can she? Again, SHA a thing, what's stopping Kira from just timing it with when SHA is coming and thus she must fire manip? Hell what's stopping Kira from tossing a handful of things at once? She wouldn't know what's a bomb and what isn't, if he just picks up a fist of something, turns one of them out of dozens into bombs, if that one out of the pile makes, it's fair game. Also, using wind manip might be a bad idea, what's stopping Kira from transferring the Bomb Charge from the object to the burst of wind used against it? Because don't forget, Kira can turn air into bombs too, if a tangible gust of air moves the object, why wouldn't he move teh charge to the air then light up the air and having it blow up in her face, kinda like lighting up a trail of fuel with a match?



Above.



At least two, a third can be dealt with a bomb. So at least one wall is a issue, but at that point, just dodge, not like Korra aint gonna have her hands full either way.



He can turn air into bombs tho, it's one of his main tactics later on, it's why he raised Stray Cat. If Korra uses a sufficient tangible gust of air to block the projectile (Which it definitely is, her air manip would definitely qualify), Kira can just go "lol k" and move the charge from the object to the gust of air.


Anyway. Kira can, at the very least, give SHA simple commands, notably, that being who to kill, and where to go after killing, don't see why, as long as he's around, he can't just be more explicit with the latter and tell SHA to avoid things and go somewhere. Of course if he ***** off, SHA has to rely on infrared, it's basic minded after all, can't do things by itself.

Using air to block projectiles might be bad, Bomb#1 actually works on the air, he should be able to transfer charges to that and light up the air instead.

Korra honestly can't afford to let up her focus on SHA, sure she can do a bunch of things, but is she ever gonna get a chance when SHA is always gonna be trying to kill her and she can't exactly pinpoint WHEN to light things ablaze and just has to pray she's doing it right and at the optimal times? Atop of dealing with Kira using projectiles and traps. Or, if Kira decides to, try to get within 2m of her to contact bomb her (that or **** off and just wait till SHA deals with her, regardless of how long that takes, even if it takes days).

She still cant see, sense and harm the Stands, that gives Kira leeway and some ok protection, it isn't infallible but it's better than nothing.

Although I want to debate the points you put out, if KQ isn't equalised then I don't see Korra winning so no point in counter arguing other points since my main point requires KQ to be same speed as Korra.

 

[XVII]

korra is pure AoE, also, can't she just make some giant fireballs at kira's spot? he can't blow stuff close to him or he gets hurt, only if he desintegrates it (like his victims) and fool SHA. SHA probably wouldnt blow up since it can't hurt it's user or some stuff. kq can't defend against AoE, chariot

 

[XVII]

korra is pure AoE, also, can't she just make some giant fireballs at kira's spot? he can't blow stuff close to him or he gets hurt, only if he desintegrates it (like his victims) and fool SHA. SHA probably wouldnt blow up since it can't hurt it's user or some stuff. kq can't defend against AoE, chariot

also, idk if KQ can blow fire up

 

[StekFence]

also, idk if KQ can blow fire up

Prob not

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

If it’s speed equalized I’m going with Korra. She can simply spam fireballs? She wouldn’t be able to see KQ though, so she’d just hurl them at Kira.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Killer Queen can just deflect or block the attacks.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Killer Queen can just deflect or block the attacks.

How far is Killer Queen’s range? Korra can simply just fly out of reach and spam invisible air attacks

 

[Chariot190]

Also just to double check, can Korra in her first key even spam all the elements simultaneously?

korra is pure AoE, also, can't she just make some giant fireballs at kira's spot? he can't blow stuff close to him or he gets hurt, only if he desintegrates it (like his victims) and fool SHA. SHA probably wouldnt blow up since it can't hurt it's user or some stuff. kq can't defend against AoE, chariot

Uh yeah he can? Why the hell wouldn't he be able to defend against AOE? Hell, why wouldn't he just dodge? In regards to fire, she has to like actually, shoot it toward him, at that point literally just move out of the way, not like it'd effect SHA who has its own range.

Also it's like you missed the whole argument above saying that if Kira is around, he can at least guide SHA to the right direction, do you actually think Kira would ignore SHA coming toard him? No, he'd tell it to turn the **** back around. The only way SHA would be at risk to detonate with Kira in proximity is if Korra was close to Kira in the first place, and at that point, KQ just vaporizes her itself.

How far is Killer Queen’s range? Korra can simply just fly out of reach and spam invisible air attacks

A few meters, SHA has infinite range though, can go however far away from him as it pleases.

Also let's not forget that KQ can literally just body block a lot of things and protect Kira, it can't be harmed by her attacks. ANd speed equal as you mentioned allows him to dodge easily especially as she's attacking at range, but unfortunately for her, she doesn't have the luxury of dodging as she'd never know where his attacks are or where sha is coming from, can't dodge what you can't sense, see or anything of the sort.

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

Also just to double check, can Korra in her first key even spam all the elements simultaneously?

Uh yeah he can? Why the hell wouldn't he be able to defend against AOE? Hell, why wouldn't he just dodge? In regards to fire, she has to like actually, shoot it toward him, at that point literally just move out of the way, not like it'd effect SHA who has its own range.

Also it's like you missed the whole argument above saying that if Kira is around, he can at least guide SHA to the right direction, do you actually think Kira would ignore SHA coming toard him? No, he'd tell it to turn the **** back around. The only way SHA would be at risk to detonate with Kira in proximity is if Korra was close to Kira in the first place, and at that point, KQ just vaporizes her itself.



A few meters, SHA has infinite range though, can go however far away from him as it pleases.

Also let's not forget that KQ can literally just body block a lot of things and protect Kira, it can't be harmed by her attacks. ANd speed equal as you mentioned allows him to dodge easily especially as she's attacking at range, but unfortunately for her, she doesn't have the luxury of dodging as she'd never know where his attacks are or where sha is coming from, can't dodge what you can't sense, see or anything of the sort.

At the same time I don’t really see Kira being able to harm Korra if she just stays out of range. I wanna say this is a stalemate

 

[Chariot190]

At the same time I don’t really see Kira being able to harm Korra if she just stays out of range. I wanna say this is a stalemate

How is it a stalemate? SHA has infinite range? She could go across the planet and SHA would still make an attempt to follow her.

She isn't gonna be able to fool it forever, assuming Kira can't just go "hey SHA go that way".

 

[Mazdoesstuff]

How is it a stalemate? SHA has infinite range? She could go across the planet and SHA would still make an attempt to follow her.

She isn't gonna be able to fool it forever, assuming Kira can't just go "hey SHA go that way

Is SHA being equalized with Korra’s speed?

 

[Chariot190]

Is SHA being equalized with Korra’s speed?

Yes, but technically no.

I've been informed that, the way speed equal works, that Stands get equalized, comparatively. For example, someone has mach 1 combat speed but has a mach 10 whatever, the two foes get equalized to mach 1, but the mach 10 attack still has that speed gap over it.

Or like, a mach 1 dude is fighting a mach 10 dude, the mach 10 dude has a mach 15 attack. Mach 10 dude gets equalized to be on par with mach 1 dude, so he goes from mach 10 to 1, now they're equal, but his special attack gets equalized only to the extent it's still has that speed discrepancy over it, so that mach 15 attack is now mach 1.5. The attack was effected by speed equal, but only to the extent it still had the same relative speed it always had to the main body, that being 1.5x faster.

The same would, logically, apply to Stands, if a mach 1 Stand user had a speed of light stand, they'd get equalized, but only to the relative degree that the speed of light stand is still 874030x faster than the mach 1 main body.

Ergo, while Kira and Korra get equalized, the speed discrepancy between Kira himself and his Stands still exist. To say, yeah, they get equalized, but his Stands will still have a ludicrous speed over him and Korra.

This also goes for Korra too, if she has some attacks or moves that are inherently a **** ton faster than her normal speed, they'd still have whatever multiplier over her base speed that she has (so if she's mach 100, and has a mach 1000 attack, but gets equalized to superhuman, that attack will get dropped too, but only enough to where it's still 10x faster).

At least, that's what I've been told, unsure if it actually works that way but take that as you will.
Also funnily if true, this completely ***** Dio and TW, he'd be like, the only stand user who doesn't get a super fast as **** Stand, because both him and his Stand are in the same ballpark even if he's a bit lower.

 

[Nierre]

I really really really doubt that's how it works. That'd pretty much invalidate any versus match any stand user has that's cross fiction.

 

[Chariot190]

I really really really doubt that's how it works. That'd pretty much invalidate any versus match any stand user has that's cross fiction.

Yes.

But that's what I've been told, if that's how it works then that's how it works, if it isn't, then it isn't. I'm just telling you what I've been informed of.

 

[Sonicflare9]

can this be added

 

[SemiRaedi]

Maybe, but due to KQ being so much faster than Korra that it blitzes all her moves, would this count as a speed blitz since Korra has no way to properly hit him (from what I can see) due to KQ.

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[XVII]

Uh yeah he can? Why the hell wouldn't he be able to defend against AOE? Hell, why wouldn't he just dodge? In regards to fire, she has to like actually, shoot it toward him, at that point literally just move out of the way, not like it'd effect SHA who has its own range.

Also it's like you missed the whole argument above saying that if Kira is around, he can at least guide SHA to the right direction, do you actually think Kira would ignore SHA coming toard him? No, he'd tell it to turn the **** back around. The only way SHA would be at risk to detonate with Kira in proximity is if Korra was close to Kira in the first place, and at that point, KQ just vaporizes her itself.

wowow bro, speed is equalized

the fireballs can literally burn him to a crisp even with kq defending it, since it's like saying a guy with heavy armor can survive a fireball without melting. he may not die instanteneously but he will take heavy damage, also, KQ cant come close to her. if she's spraying fireballs at him, SHA wont ever look at her, since the fire can be manipulated to dissipate. she is a heavy AoE ranged fighter, SHA wont follow her and KQ can't do nothing to defend.

from the way i see it, youre just making bull to get kira to win a battle he cant win