All Kira needs to do is grab his watch, turn it into a bomb, and gently toss it 8m.
Wait Wait Wait
Reaction speed, not perception speed, is the key difference. He can like, dodge once or twice, and perceive things at that speed.
Reaction Speed
Clearly I made an error in judgement about that
I'll accept thatSHA tracks by heat because that's how automatic stands work. Kira is LITERALLY right here, they don't need to follow an automated commands due to Kira being unable to give manual input at CQC
I mean like
I mean
Yeah, unfortunately she's that stupid to do it lol
Well first off he wouldn't be able to run away to begin with due to speed difference
Why would it need to specify?
Yes in a way. Not really stupid but more so simple. Like she will do try to enslave the world not for any convoluted or thorough planned reason but for a reason as simple as "I was bored and had nothing to do then I saw a cartoon about a boy trying to take over the world so I thought maybe I'd try the same thing"
Because Queen would immediately start attacking him
Queen can block that with Acid shield thou
Fair Point
I am still leaning towards Kira but I will hold my vote for now.
It has nothing with "what i take it as", I literally overhauled the whole profile from scratch
That's not true though, that's because most of the profiles on the wiki are bad, barebones, or do a shitty job explaining or clarifying shit.
Again, he is LITERALLY 300000X faster than her danmaku. He could deflect them all, sit on his ass for a whole day, take a nap, wake up, read a book, and then still have enough time to throw a thousand punches and yeet whatever he wants at her.
He could though? She'd be busy trying to avoid SHA, or hell, if you go the route she's so fast she'd just follow him, why can't Kira just lure her into following him and running into SHA? Or a bomb, or a lot of things really, he has like a dozen ways to exploit this for an easy kill.
Because the only feat listed is a dodge feat, there's no clarification explaining it scales to everything, no explanation why it'd scale to her flight, movement or anything of the sort, and because we as a wiki are meant to index and explain this stuff?
She didn't even do that in the game, she's a shit talker
He can transfer the charges? If he turns an object into a bomb, and that bomb touches her, he can make her into a bomb instead?
Yeah if its 10 metres and Queen can't see stands, Kira could very easily maneuver himself and his opponent into a place where SHA would get her, even with her faster speed. While both characters have genius level intelligence, Queen does not have the tactical battle IQ that Kira has, and therefore, with the current rules as listed (10m starting distance and Queen can't see stands) I feel like confirming my vote as Kira. If the starting distance or anything changes, ignore this.
It has nothing with "what i take it as", I literally overhauled the whole profile from scratch
Also did you not read what I said?
"He just can't dodge constantly, like one or two, which isn't much long term against danmaku but just to get close or break away? It'd help."
Is what I said, you're just repeating info I not only acknowledged a long time ago, but missing the point of why I said that to begin with.
That's not true though, that's because most of the profiles on the wiki are bad, barebones, or do a shitty job explaining or clarifying shit.
I'm going to need to see a feat that scales to her flight speed, we don't cross scale flight with everything else without extra justification ever since the comic fiasco.
Again, he is LITERALLY 300000X faster than her danmaku. He could deflect them all, sit on his ass for a whole day, take a nap, wake up, read a book, and then still have enough time to throw a thousand punches and yeet whatever he wants at her.
For someone who's arguing a 11x gap would let her do a bunch of shit, a 300000x gap letting him do whatever he wants risk free is suddenly to much?
He could though? She'd be busy trying to avoid SHA, or hell, if you go the route she's so fast she'd just follow him, why can't Kira just lure her into following him and running into SHA? Or a bomb, or a lot of things really, he has like a dozen ways to exploit this for an easy kill.
Unless he throws it beyond what she can react to?
Because the only feat listed is a dodge feat, there's no clarification explaining it scales to everything, no explanation why it'd scale to her flight, movement or anything of the sort, and because we as a wiki are meant to index and explain this stuff?
The fact it isn't even her feat, but someone else's makes it worse, even if they scale to it on all accounts, why would she? Combat and reactions check out, but everything else?
She didn't even do that in the game, she's a shit talker
He can transfer the charges? If he turns an object into a bomb, and that bomb touches her, he can make her into a bomb instead?
Durability isn't a factor unless he explodes them at a distance.
Alright
Killer Queen is stated to have high precision and martial arts. Kira also excelled in numerous sports and just hid that fact (KQ also like, 8-C and Class 25 so things like wind resistance wouldn't effect his stuff at all, itd go in a straight line for ages).
How about stop changing the OP?
Cool
First off, I only changed the OP because other's asked me to do soHow about stop changing the OP?
It's become abundantly clear you're trying to fish for a win for Queen given you've changed it multiple times to try and put it in her favor even though we're 50 posts in.
What are you talking about? Him making use of transfer bombs, sleight of hand, forcing others to touch what he's touched, and using inanimate objects is something he does in basically every scene he's in. It wouldn't take him long, it'd legit be like like the second thing he thinks of at a distance after SHA.
LITERALLY 300000x faster.
Danmaku is one thing, she wants him dead, it's a decent ranged attack.
Danmaku doesn't fill the screen and they're not even remotely big enough to stop a coin or button. The gaps between them are LITERALLY human size.
Literally 300,000x faster. To give an idea, 1 second from her perspective, is over 3 DAYS to Killer Queen.
Then just go back to what it was originally
YeahWhat are you talking about? Him making use of transfer bombs, sleight of hand, forcing others to touch what he's touched, and using inanimate objects is something he does in basically every scene he's in. It wouldn't take him long, it'd legit be like like the second thing he thinks of at a distance after SHA.
LITERALLY 300000x faster.
Her danmaku is actually useless, it's never getting past KQ.
Shield? Why would she use a shield against a dude, 100 or any distance away, when he has absolutely no visible reason to do so. And she ain't reacting to stuff tossed by KQ so that's out of the question. She has no reason to use it, and by the time she knows he actually does have a method to attack at range, she's dead.
Danmaku is one thing, she wants him dead, it's a decent ranged attack.
Shield? Bro he's a man in a suit who's just standing there
It's one thing against the heroes but against literal middle aged man she knows nothing about except apparently the fact she can't hit? A dude who's done nothing to even implicate he can attack at that distance? And against a dude so much faster than her that by the time she finishes that thought, he could legitimately have run through hundreds of situations on how to go about tagging her and what would work in his current predicament.
I fear this argument don't hold up mate.
Danmaku doesn't fill the screen and they're not even remotely big enough to stop a coin or button. The gaps between them are LITERALLY human size.
Also see above.
Literally 300,000x faster. To give an idea, 1 second from her perspective, is over 3 DAYS to Killer Queen.
The problem isn't if Kira does a thing before she realizes what doesn't work and goes giga, it's if SHE can realize she has to go giga before he realizes what needs to be done.
Then just go back to what it was originally
Though you changing it to explicitly give her advantage and then asking if I have any ideas on how Kira wins, definitely makes it seem rigged.
How? We're talking a literal 300000x speed gap, to give an idea, that's the difference between 1 second and nearly 4 days. None of her danmaku is hitting Kira as KQ statues them and thus has all the time in the world to deflect, she still doesn't know SHA is a thing so it's not like she'd know it's coming for her or to dodge the thing she doesn't know exists - who can clear 100m in like two seconds, and worst case scenario, if nothing else works, he can just flick a coin or something, something she legitimately can't counter or react to due to the speed gap and something he'd be able to whip out long before she tries any zesty shit simply due to the speed gap once again.
Nah
SHA isn’t the issue it’s KQ
Lol
Yeah
Apparently
Exactly. Combat speed gets equalized, every other speed gets equalized by the same amount. issue is, KQ is literally over 500000x Kira's combat speed.
