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Yogiri Takatou vs Charlotte Corday

EmperorDoom25 said:
A Fate character eh? What does this girl do?
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To quote her Noble Phantasm: Le R├¬ve Ensoleillé: Love to the Homeland, a Dream of Drowning:The Noble Phantasm of Charlotte Corday. It is a warm and peaceful assassination committed by Corday, who was admired after her passing as the Angel of Assassination. Due to her humble and peaceful nature, no hint of killing intent is felt from or comes off from her until the verge of the killing moment.

Basically, she masks any killing intent or desire from her until she delivers the killing blow. And the default Supernatural Luck and Fate Manipulation that high luck servants have.
 
The thing is, Yogiri's precog is so good that its not limited to sense killing intent only. He can sense/predict any potential harm

Heck, he can even sense what happens to the people around him when there is no killing intent involved towards him

His existence is also passively protected by Fate, and its so strong that even beats a girl who has Plot Manip
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
The thing is, Yogiri's precog is so good that its not limited to sense killing intent only. He can sense/predict any potential harm
Heck, he can even sense what happens to the people around him when there is no killing intent involved towards him

His existence is also passively protected by Fate, and its so strong that even beats a girl who has Plot Manip
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Isn't his Fate protection only effective as long as his death is not "amusing"? What would count as a amusing death?

As for her NP, it masks her desire to kill in general. I assume that this also counts for her desire to harm or hurt someone else by proxy, since, as stated on her wiki profile, The more often her looks, her words, her gestures are acknowledged, the more the success rate of the assassination rises. The prejudice of "such a pretty girl can't plan an assassination" is continuously strengthened. In other words, if she comes up to someone and starts greeting/hugging them it would only make her seen less suspicious.

She also has Angel of Assination, which, as quoted by the wiki, riding in the stream of fate, lowers any wariness of the enemy. She is able to manipulate Fate itself so that any intentions she has are also masked.
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
His fate manip is outdated, and will soon get upgraded
Manipulate Fate against him? Doesnt work....his ID is beyond fate
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She doesn't use Fate directly against others, she uses it on herself so that any action she does will be masked. It acts passively, to the point where no other servant/mage can know her true desire to harm/kill. Alongside that, she can also put a charrade of kindness that can't be seen until she deals a killing blown..
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
Boi, if she is using fatehax on herself to kill Yogiri latter...she still dies
Besides, Yogiri's fatehax is above what she can do tbh
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Her fate hax is passive and doesn't need activation. It is a skill based around her very existance that masks any intent to harm or kill someone. I don't see how he could detect a person's harm/kill intent when there is none to see in the first place.
 
Read above. Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Isn't it counterproductive to say he can't sense her when that's one of his powers?
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Read my comment above. Yogiri requires someone to have the intent to harm/kill him in the first place. Because of her skill and NP, she doesn't show or have any for him to detect.
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
As I already said, Yogiri's enhanced senses are not limited to killing intent only. When there is no killing intent involved, his precog comes in to deal with the case
If there is a threat, he senses and kills it
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And as i have already stated, her skill masks any desire or threat's she might impose to others. And in this case, it's not only her desire to kill, but any actions she takes to harm or threaten somebody, because of the skill stated above.
 
ScanEmperorDoom25 said:
Because his fatehax is so strong that beats this girl through countless possible futures, who has passive Plot Manip?
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Scans as proof? And i don't think that in this case he wasn't aware that someone is trying to kill him.In this fight he literally can't see the attack coming to kill Charlotte. He can't use the fatehax if he literally can't see any threat coming.
 
it doesnt matter if she disguises it anyway, yogiri senses anything that harms him it doesnt matter if they have the intent or not if its dangerous to him he will sense it and will react to it,else how do you think he could dodge debris falling around, perceive a collateral damage from another fights and other things react to them and get out alive? When there was not a single intent or desire to harm directed to him
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
Aoi stated that his fate manip is passive
I'll get the scans
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How strong is the girl's plot man? And how does his Fate Manipulation work? I only saw this "Old" version in his profile.
 
Alright, whatt even is this? Are we ignoring that Yogiri can feel hazards and not only killing intent or something? When he dodges the bullet from the giant robot that is fighting Santarou there was no killing intent (he says he senses killing intent but the narrative tells us that he is just vague with his wording and that it is hazards in general) and that is exactly why he refuses to kill Santarou and the giant robot in the first place, because they had no killing intent. There is also the fact that he saw the death line of the bullet that was gonna hit Tomochika and those of bullets fired by people agaisnt their will that lacked any intent to kill whatsoever.

As much as she might be able to hide her intent to kill, her knife will still produce a death line that Yogiri will see and he'll just kill her afterwards.

His Fate hax prevent him from basically dying in battle, here are the examples that Aoi gives: "He won't die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn't die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn't die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy's point of view, it's just a cheat."
 
This is Yogiri passively defeating Aoi withouy doing anything. The author later states that this happened because of Fate


"Aoi exercised her power to see fate.

The vision was distorted.

She lost her sense of balance and crouched down. She couldn't stay standing. In addition to the agonizing pain similar to her internal organs being twisted, she couldn't suppress the nausea that welled up."


"Once she had become aware of it, she wasn't able to divert her consciousness, but just kept being exposed to the fear. It was a dead end. It was the destination where fate would always end up, there was nothing ahead there. Everything was taking the form of that man there in the end.

That person stands until the end, as it was his demise. No one was able to do anything beyond that person. To oppose such a person, it was fate, it was an outline which couldn't not be a joke. It was absurd to even consider fighting that. Just by him thinking he wanted to kill, it was said that the one opposing would die.

When she heard it in the beginning, she had thought it was somewhat stupid. As there was too much of a difference between their abilities, she seemingly thought that his powers would be seen through. She had wondered if there was some type of mechanism in the ability. If they analyzed and analyzed, counter measures could be made. Aoi thought the same, since she could freely use her ability.

It was naive. Perhaps everything was naive."


This is Aoi and the author constantly claiming about how high value existences are protected by fate:

This wouldn't have worked if the goddess wasn't insane. The man reached the goddess with great difficulty, then pierced his sword straight into her chest. The rays stopped, and the flock of weapons fall. Aoi was convinced that the goddess was dead. It was reasonable for this to occur, as it was the flow of fate.

"Takatou Yogiri's like him, you can't kill an existence whose destiny value is high. He won't die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn't die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn't die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy's point of view, it's just a cheat." -(Aoi)
 
This is a stomp...close please.

Unless Charlotte has some weird higher D hax which hasn't been mentioned yet.
 
EmperorDoom25 said:
This is Yogiri passively defeating Aoi withouy doing anything. The author later states that this happened because of Fate


"Aoi exercised her power to see fate.

The vision was distorted.

She lost her sense of balance and crouched down. She couldn't stay standing. In addition to the agonizing pain similar to her internal organs being twisted, she couldn't suppress the nausea that welled up."


"Once she had become aware of it, she wasn't able to divert her consciousness, but just kept being exposed to the fear. It was a dead end. It was the destination where fate would always end up, there was nothing ahead there. Everything was taking the form of that man there in the end.

That person stands until the end, as it was his demise. No one was able to do anything beyond that person. To oppose such a person, it was fate, it was an outline which couldn't not be a joke. It was absurd to even consider fighting that. Just by him thinking he wanted to kill, it was said that the one opposing would die.

When she heard it in the beginning, she had thought it was somewhat stupid. As there was too much of a difference between their abilities, she seemingly thought that his powers would be seen through. She had wondered if there was some type of mechanism in the ability. If they analyzed and analyzed, counter measures could be made. Aoi thought the same, since she could freely use her ability.

It was naive. Perhaps everything was naive."


This is Aoi and the author constantly claiming about how high value existences are protected by fate:

This wouldn't have worked if the goddess wasn't insane. The man reached the goddess with great difficulty, then pierced his sword straight into her chest. The rays stopped, and the flock of weapons fall. Aoi was convinced that the goddess was dead. It was reasonable for this to occur, as it was the flow of fate.

"Takatou Yogiri's like him, you can't kill an existence whose destiny value is high. He won't die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn't die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn't die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy's point of view, it's just a cheat." -(Aoi)
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Welp, that's kinda beyond what i expected. This would have been a better match if it was before he gained this ability.
 
TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
Alright, waht even is this? Are we ignoring that Yogiri can feel hazards and not only killing intent or something? When he dodges the bullet from the giant robot that is fighting Santarou there was no killing intent (he says he senses killing intent but the narrative tells us that he is just vague with his wording and that it is hazards in general) and that is exactly why he refuses to kill Santarou and the giant robot in the first place, because they had no killing intent. There is also the fact that he saw the death line of the bullet that was gonna hit Tomochika and those of bullets fired by people agaisnt their will that lacked any intent to kill whatsoever.
As much as she might be able to hide her intent to kill, her knife will still produce a death line that Yogiri will see and he'll just kill her afterwards.

His Fate hax prevent him from basically dying in battle, here are the examples that Aoi gives: "He won't die if he was shot by Sugitani Zenjubo, he doesn't die if he fights on the front line amongst the soldiers, and he doesn't die if you attack recklessly in the canyon. From the enemy's point of view, it's just a cheat."
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While the Fate manipulation is valid, one should remember that she's a servant that doesn't need her knife or weapons to kill.E strength is enough to crush a human skull or pierce through somebody's hearth. Not ignoring the Fate hax, just pointing the other thing here.
 
I am aware of that. I just used the knife as an example because that is what I rememeber her NP using. Her fists or whatever would still produce a death line. This is a stomp anyways tho.
 
Why you put a haxless servant against one of haxxed haracter here? This is a massive stomp and Charlotte doesn't deserve this so it will be good if this thread to be closed
 
I agree, my brother's new addition to his harem (that's what he calls it) does not deserve this.

However, if, say, there was a whole story arc where Charlotte joins Takatou as a friend and goes on adventures with him, it would make this interesting in more ways than one.

It fits very well with the premise of Instant Death. If Charlotte was invovled (or even the heroine), I could already see the fans saying how Charlotte had no choice, she was tricked, she didn't want to do it etc.

That ship would be practically unsinkable, and AU fanfiction would be popping up all over.
 
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