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So far I don't remember it being the most accepted.Well Truths are still being discussed, no? People are agreeing that the thing is Smurf Hax
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So far I don't remember it being the most accepted.Well Truths are still being discussed, no? People are agreeing that the thing is Smurf Hax
So basically just is "we dont know who has the high ground"?What about @Darksmash arguments ? :
Still some people Accept it, and Ultima seems like hes not giving up debating lol. Anyways, we should bump that thread.So far I don't remember it being the most accepted.
Probably should bump yeah.Still some people Accept it, and Ultima seems like hes not giving up debating lol. Anyways, we should bump that thread.
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They can all be 1B just his more powerful anyways if battler defeats yogiri in this thread it would change.Check out the top 5 strongest 1-B. Yogiri is on a higher plane than Umineko.
Isn't Yogiri higher into countless 1-B ?They can all be 1B just his more powerful anyways if battler defeats yogiri in this thread it would change.
Besides both are equally innumerable/countless into 1B
Except yogiri scales far above those who are "countless"Countless is Countless bro both are innumerable
Not true.Being arbitrarily high into countless is meaningless. Countless itself is just placeholder for "extremely big unknown finite value". Being bigger than "extremely big unknown finite value" would still be an "extremely big unknown finite value"
Is there some kind of thread/page that specifies those standards? Because it makes no sense.Because VSBW treats out "countless" entities as being at the same level
No since that sort of scaling is only used for speed and nothing else and I am quite unsure as to why it's even used for speed as wellIs there some kind of thread/page that specifies those standards? Because it makes no sense.
This is meaningless both are 1B and countless into it not as if battler has a defined number set since both are countless only thing left is to debate who wins.Except yogiri scales far above those who are "countless"
as in, he literally obliterates people who stomped people who are "countless" by just existing
Actually iirc this "above 2-A baseline " isn't accepted anymorejust like 2-A can be above baseline when the series treated higher sets and higher power.
Being above baseline 2-A can still be a thing via scaling chainActually iirc this "above 2-A baseline " isn't accepted anymore
Wasn't it implied that this is because UEG and the guy she was fighting were higher dimensional beings to begin with? And not having some ability to allow them to ascend to higher dimensions endlessly.UEG is countless that can instantly endlessly ascend into higher realities and despite that she would never be able to even apraoch Yogiri’s true form regardless of how much time she is given.
Being arbitrarily high into countless is meaningless. Countless itself is just placeholder for "extremely big unknown finite value". Being bigger than "extremely big unknown finite value" would still be an "extremely big unknown finite value"
And like I said, this is incorrect lol.Being arbitrarily high into countless is meaningless. Countless itself is just placeholder for "extremely big unknown finite value". Being bigger than "extremely big unknown finite value" would still be an "extremely big unknown finite value"
And I need source for thatWhich is exactly how it is treated on here.
Bruh moment. Obviously one unknown number can be bigger than another. We just don't know which one is bigger. Hence it will be an inconclusive debate.Even from a mathematical standpoint, you are incorrect. You are implying that one "arbitrary countless number" can't be bigger than another. This isn't true at all, since "countless" just means a really big number as you said. There can absolutely be numbers and scaling above it.
She won't be able to interact because she is lower dimensional in comparison to Yogiri I guess?Don’t think so. And again if we take it like that then that’d imply that in a vs thread UEG could interact with Yogiri’s true form which she can’t ever do.
On vsbw, if "Entity A" and "Entity B" are both stated to be countless, they would be treated as being the same strength. Why wouldn't they??And I need source for that
Bruh moment. Obviously one unknown number can be bigger than another. We just don't know which one is bigger. Hence it will be an inconclusive debate.
So if you make a thread of UEG vs Battler and a thread of Yogiri vs Battler then somehow both are the same???She won't be able to interact because she is lower dimensional in comparison to Yogiri I guess?
Would you just assume that two featless characters are equal just because they are featless and someone beating the first featless character will be stronger?Would we not also assume that Entity C is above Entity B?
Like I said it would just be inconclusive until you introduce some kind of equalisationSo if you make a thread of UEG vs Battler and a thread of Yogiri vs Battler then somehow both are the same???
UEG is countless that can instantly endlessly ascend into higher realities and despite that she would never be able to even apraoch Yogiri’s true form regardless of how much time she is given. He is definitely above this, the technicalities don’t matter when he is treated like this within the series just like 2-A can be above baseline when the series treated higher sets and higher power.
Yep, but phantom made a good point that it's possible yogiri countless scales above battlers or umineko in general.Bruh moment. Obviously one unknown number can be bigger than another. We just don't know which one is bigger. Hence it will be an inconclusive debate.
It's impossible to determine whether one countless is above another or not. And with the kind of reasoning he gave I don't see why Yogiri wouldn't straight up be High 1-B/1-A, unless UEG's ascending to higher dimensions is because of being higher dimensional to begin with, in which case she would be unable to reach Yogiri even if he was merely one dimension higher than her cap which isn't saying much.Yep, but phantom made a good point that it's possible yogiri countless scales above battlers or umineko in general.
Because everything always has to be played safely when dealing with tier 1; there’s almost always more proof needed “to be safe”. Yogiri’s true from whole deal is that any phenomena, any system displayed in the verse is below him because he is the absolute and unchangeable nothingness beyond nothingness that’s his whole idea; concepts, death, space, time, casuality, fate, plot, ect are transcended. It’s just that this one thing we didn’t get a explicit statement so we’re stuck with playing it safe because maybe Yogiri is just ridiculously into 1-B.It's impossible to determine whether one countless is above another or not. And with the kind of reasoning he gave I don't see why Yogiri wouldn't straight up be High 1-B/1-A, unless UEG's ascending to higher dimensions is because of being higher dimensional to begin with, in which case she would be unable to reach Yogiri even if he was merely one dimension higher than her cap which isn't saying much.
As for the match, yea Inconclusive seems the best outcome, unless we equalise their planes of existence in which case Battler seems to have the edge
No we don't. Both of them are unknown. One unknown feeling stronger within the context of the verse doesn't make it any less unknown.Your whole unknown argument relies in that we have no reliable way to 100% determine who is in a higher plane than who but rarely does one actually get that. Instead however we do have a reliable enough indication on the likelihood that Yogiri transcends battler being more likely than equal.