Yogiri, 1-A possibly high 1-A

[Georredannea15]

No. Kanji used was strictly referring to mathematical dimensions in context.

Uhhhh... No. The author does not mention any mathematical dimensions in his answer.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Uhhhh... No. The author does not mention any mathematical dimensions in his answer.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Baseline 1-A?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Baseline 1-A?

Probably if either proposition is accepted since Yogiri transcends the cosmology.

 

[Reiner04]

Where? I didn't see it in the OP

No, Twitter or anywhere else doesn't matter. The question asked was asked in a guiding manner to the author. The author is stuck in a "yes - no" dichotomy.
But the worst thing is that he answered the question in a very different way than was asked.

Ngl, entire novel seems flowery to me, so they shouldn't even be planetary imo

 

[YungManzi]

So you know what I mean, The question asked and the answer given are very different. Perhaps the "dimensions" in the author's mind was a universes.

Going by this interpretation it's still Low 1-A universes within universes lol.

 

[Georredannea15]

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I didn't see anything for 1-A here, it just says that universes can be other people's(Here I think he was talking about someone, but I forgot who he was talking about) . "dreams" it's just an R>F. I'll read it again to be sure, but I still disagree until then.

 

[Georredannea15]

Going by this interpretation it's still Low 1-A universes within universes lol.

LOL no

 

[Reiner04]

I didn't see anything for 1-A here, it just says that universes can be other people's(Here I think he was talking about someone, but I forgot who he was talking about) . "dreams" it's just an R>F. I'll read it again to be sure, but I still disagree until then.

It's simply talking about Type 4 multiverse, which as per what author described in QnA seems to be related.

 

[Georredannea15]

It's simply talking about Type 4 multiverse, which as per what author described in QnA seems to be related.

I read it and frankly I didn't see the Type 4 multiverse. I feel like you're trolling me right now

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I read it and frankly I didn't see the Type 4 multiverse. I feel like you're trolling me right now

Ultimate Ensemble is the name of a type 4 multiverse.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

The QnA is official QnA that author have decided to answer.

Fujitaka-san have all the freedom to ignore the question all together, he did this all the time to people asking question to him in twitter. But for this one instance he decided to answer this question and add it to his official QnA.

究極集合
Translate: Ultimate Set that correlate with type 4.

You can look at Elizhaa post below:

Ultimate Ensemble at its Lowest is Low 1-A; from the past threads like for The Downstreamers. Updated: As it stands, we currently rate this type of structure at Low 1-A to 1-A, as seen from this profile, and this thread. it can range from Low 1-A to Tier 0 with enough context.

• 次元などはある宇宙の中の要素であり、 別の宇宙では存在していなかったりします。 そんないろんな宇宙の集合があるとして・・・・・・ えーと、まあ、そういったあれやこれやを夜霧は全部無視できます。
  • https://ncode.syosetu.com/n5691dd/294/
• 究極集合世界 (究極集合 - Ultimate Ensemble): https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/数学的宇宙仮説

I could see 1-A being valid from stacking dimensions being unreachable to Yogiri; existing outside the concept of dimensions should be tier 1-A. There was supporting evidence UEG can destroy everything, which would include the Ultimate Set of Worlds or Ultimate Ensemble of worlds being just a dream to Yogiri.

• One can say UEG and some powerful gods who were killed after reaching a certain level where they could destroy the Ultimate Set of worlds/Ultimate Ensemble or all worlds: https://ncode.syosetu.com/n5691dd/239/
  • At first, it could seem vague since Kouryu didn't seem to speak in absolute, but it seems clear that Ultimate Ensemble exists in verse with clear text or clear raws in Volume 14.
    • Gods like UEG tier 1 can be handled in its own threads, I guess.

High 1-A for ultimate ensemble needs way more context on advanced mathematics.

 

[Reiner04]

I read it and frankly I didn't see the Type 4 multiverse. I feel like you're trolling me right now

Level IV: Ultimate ensemble
Edit
The ultimate mathematical universe hypothesis is Tegmark's own hypothesis.[67]

This level considers all universes to be equally real which can be described by different mathematical structures.

Tegmark writes:
Abstract mathematics is so general that any Theory Of Everything (TOE) which is definable in purely formal terms (independent of vague human terminology) is also a mathematical structure. For instance, a TOE involving a set of different types of entities (denoted by words, say) and relations between them (denoted by additional words) is nothing but what mathematicians call a set-theoretical model, and one can generally find a formal system that it is a model of.

He argues that this "implies that any conceivable parallel universe theory can be described at Level IV" and "subsumes all other ensembles, therefore brings closure to the hierarchy of multiverses, and there cannot be, say, a Level V."[30]

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Probably if either proposition is accepted since Yogiri transcends the cosmology.

If it’s baseline then I probably know who to use against yogiri

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

If it’s baseline then I probably know who to use against yogiri

Lol. I don't see it being higher than baseline because an Ultimate Ensemble without context is low 1-A so yogiri being above that is 1-A and being above concept of dimensions to where no amount can reach you is 1-A.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Well, I rather have this thread be on hold until V14 is out.

I do have in mind for Yogiri to be above baseline 1-A, but eh, that can wait until Ultimate Set is accepted.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Lol. I don't see it being higher than baseline because an Ultimate Ensemble without context is low 1-A so yogiri being above that is 1-A and being above concept of dimensions to where no amount can reach you is 1-A.

I’m going to use shiki against yogiri aka Nasuverse/Root vs him since their both baseline 1-A

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Well, I rather have this thread be on hold until V14 is out.

I do have in mind for Yogiri to be above baseline 1-A, but eh, that can wait until Ultimate Set is accepted.

V14 has been out. Just someone either needs a copy or ARRGHH,

 

[Reiner04]

Well, I rather have this thread be on hold until V14 is out.

I do have in mind for Yogiri to be above baseline 1-A, but eh, that can wait until Ultimate Set is accepted.

Yeah until then, Tier 0 should be on hold.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

V14 has been out. Just someone either needs a copy or ARRGHH,

No one can read Japanese

 

[Georredannea15]

Ultimate Ensemble is the name of a type 4 multiverse.

So is it mentioned in the verse or is it just a WoG?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

So is it mentioned in the verse or is it just a WoG?

In verse

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

究極集合

Is the term the Gods of cosmology and Narrative use to refer to the entire cosmology.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

V14 has been out. Just someone either needs a copy or ARRGHH,

I mean we do have someone which had the raw version but it’s nonetheless better to wait for vol 14 translation. That’s what most of ID fans agreed to. We can try making comparison after that

 

[YungManzi]

So basically there’s already evidence to support Low 1-A in the Ultimate Ensemble, and this QnA further supports it.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

I mean we do have someone which had the raw version but it’s nonetheless better to wait for vol 14 translation. That’s what most of ID fans agreed to. We can try making comparison after that

I concur.

 

[Georredannea15]

In verse

Then low1-A - 1A seems good. But I don't think anything will come out of the extra statements taken from the author. It is also question-oriented, but other than that, the other statements in the verse seem to be good.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Asking author for Tiering upgrade purpose, it's really legal in this wiki?

 

[Reiner04]

Asking author for Tiering upgrade purpose, it's really legal in this wiki?

We do in ben 10, as long as they're official QnA and supported by series and do not contradict it.

 

[Megaraptor149]

We do in ben 10, as long as they're official QnA and supported by series and do not contradict it.

Supporters ask that to the author as if there is a purpose for upgrading lol

 

[Reiner04]

Supporters ask that to the author as if there is a purpose for upgrading lol

Yes, there were official QnAs in Ben 10 regarding Tiering system upgrades which has been accepted if they haven't contradicted the series

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

yogiri solos ur fav verse

void shiki and archetype solo, but I agree with the op

 

[RaveeCPN]

Disagree

The question looks like a Battleboarding one

Also, in the section used for supporting evidence, there is nothing but "The World of Ultimate Set". There is no mention of anything else mathematical (which makes it impossible to determine whether that text was used in a mathematical sense or not). So just saying "究極集合世界" is not enough. We also know that authors use terms for different things. So you need something to support that the author used it in that sense. Which the OP doesn't seem to have any such supporting evidence for that.

 

[Georredannea15]

I've changed my mind, I disagree. "Ultimate set "There doesn't seem to be any statement or context that supports this other than his statement.

It's like taking these word of "transcendence" as qualitative transcendence without any context.

Or just because it says "boundless" in an statment , without any extra context or statment, it's like scaling that statment to Tier 0...

 

[YungManzi]

Do you guys know that dimensions in Instant Death are perfectly described as mathematical structure, and “universes” would already be Low 1-C if not for the fact that they don’t have statements of infinite superiority between spatial dimensions.

Literally, the mathematics of dimensions follows

 

[ImmortalDread]

Uhhhh... No. The author does not mention any mathematical dimensions in his answer.

Best counter-response in the world

 

[Greenshifter]

Yes, there were official QnAs in Ben 10 regarding Tiering system upgrades which has been accepted if they haven't contradicted the series

You aren't allowed to ask for powerscaling purposes. We just have no idea for what purpose certain people asked.

 

[Megaraptor149]

Best counter-response in the world

Same like you in many CRT

 

[ImmortalDread]

Same like you in many CRT

?

 

[Reiner04]

You aren't allowed to ask for powerscaling purposes. We just have no idea for what purpose certain people asked.

So, you are indeed stalking me huh!