Yet Another One Piece Revision

[Cmue0312]

This should be pretty easy. The low end of this calc was accepted: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Cmue0312/Kuzan_Freezes_the_Sea_(Redone)

The accepted end is: 87.5795 Gigatons - Island level+ (6-C)

It should scale to the Top Yonko Commanders, Gear Fourth Luffy, Neckomamushi, Inurashi, Blackbeard, Jinbe, Tsuru, Zunisha and Sabo for the following reasons:

Jozu was capable of making Aokiji bleed: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i1IlyjuE2...GUa2DOFMxkHY1Gfr4khmwgCHM/s16000/0567-007.png

Doflamingo broke out of Aokiji's ice with no side effects: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8AYwLlBoG..._IUTJMJVH7-L0y8QRLw_NwCHM/s16000/0699-006.png

Ace matched Aokiji's ice with his fire: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wA3jIbCJY...LqCk1vFVb0jyxF9gLlwODwCHM/s16000/0572-009.png

Marco took a punch from Akainu: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HO8y1b-T-...9GojRpm7BNHTSmFmzfFTBwCHM/s16000/0575-005.png

Jinbe blocked a punch from Akainu that was intended to finish off Ace: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zqVqozSZa...ihYmh0Qk0FchRcqQNaL1_ACHM/s16000/0574-012.png

Jinbe took an attack from Big Mom: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZXdqbWl_D...E0uN74BSIoViVr5qgCHMYBhgL/s16000/0890-006.png

So it is highly consistent that Yonko Commanders can take attacks from Admirals and Yonko with no injuries. So them scaling to a casual feat by an Admiral makes sense with the current scaling.

One last thing to disscuss is that Doflamingo stated Gear Fourth Luffy is "hardening his skin with Armament Haki ... and using the tensile force to raise his power several times beyond his limit".

The definition of several is more than two but not many: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/several

So at least 3 times stronger. As it was accepted that Whole Cake Island Gear Third Luffy was able to counter Katakuri this would arguably make Gear Fourth Luffy 262.7385 Gigatons - Large Island level (High 6-C)

However, I'm unsure about this. If I missed anyone who should scale just post it in the comments.

 

[The_Calaca]

Jozu should be comparable.

Doffy escaped unscathed and G4 stomped him so he should be above the 87.5 gigatons in Boundman. But there's the Red Hawk which would make G4 262.7 gigatons. I'll wait for more input about this.

I agree with the rest but I don't see the justification to some characters you mentioned.

 

[The_Calaca]

If the Red Hawk thing is correct then Fujitora should scale to G3 and Cracker and Katakuri to G4.

 

[Cmue0312]

Marco and Vista are comparable to Ace.

Jack should be comparable to other Yonko Commanders. Zunisha one-shot Jack.

Inurashi and Neckomamushi held Jack off for 5 days alternating between 12 hours a fighting and 12 hours of sleeping.

Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo as he cut G4 Luffy well Doflamingo couldn't. Smoothie and Katakuri are stronger than Cracker.

Blackbeard beat Ace pre-timeskip.

Doflamingo feared Tsuru's strength and always ran from her in his flashback.

Jesus Burgess should also be comparable to other commanders. Sabo one-shot him and took on Fujitora for a brief period of time.

As for Red Hawk I would consider it an outlier as Luffy never hurt Doflamingo at any other point without Gear Fourth.

 

[The_Calaca]

It might be an outlier but I don't remember Luffy hurting Doffy because he didn't let him. RH was a surprise for Doflamingo. And if it's an outlier then G4 should be well above 87 gigatons with G3 At least 29 gigatons.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Doubt it's an outlier since they're already scaled to a 6-C feat. That aside I agree with the proposed changes.

Edit : Has anyone calculated KKG? I've seen a high 6-C calc for it before but I'm not sure if it's accurate or not

 

[Cmue0312]

No I haven't seen any calculation of KKG. I also doubt it would be High 6-C if calced correctly.

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

https://howstrongis.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:HowStrongIs/Luffy_Folds_Dressrosa_(One_Piece)

 

[Cmue0312]

Well I guess you should see if that is acceptable.

 

[Damage3245]

> Jozu was capable of making Aokiji bleed

While I know AP = durability in a lot of cases, this calc is for Aokiji's ability to freeze things, right? In other words just his AP?

How does it automatically scale to Aokiji's durability?

 

[The_Calaca]

Now that l think about it Jozu was defeated by Aokiji's ice. He should be below that potency unlike Doffy who escaped effortlessly.

 

[Damage3245]

Regarding the Doflamingo thing, I think it is slightly ambiguous as to whether:

1) Aokiji hit Doffy with a full-power freeze and Doffy broke free using his own strength.

2) Aokiji partially froze Doffy (as in, just the surface and didn't freeze deeper into his body) because he wanted to send a warning against attacking Smoker which Doffy just tried to do.

Either explanation seems equally likely to me.

 

[The_Calaca]

Both moves seems casual for Aokiji to do so it isn't a stretch think that Doffy can free himself.

 

[Damage3245]

This calc wouldn't really change anyone's ratings, would it?

 

[The_Calaca]

It would upgrade G4 Luffy to High 6-C if we use Red Hawk as a minimun.

Edit: and so'd the Sweet Commanders and some other Yonko commanders if there are 6-C right now.

 

[Damage3245]

Hmm... I'll need to ponder this for a bit more but right now my initial thoughts are that Jozu and Doflamingo don't scale to that.

Whitebeard, Akainu and Ace at least definitely would.

 

[The_Calaca]

And what about Jinbei?

 

[Damage3245]

Jinbe gets his scaling directly from Ace, right? So he should be fine.

 

[Js250476]

That reminds me Sabo Jack Ect haven't been changed yet so this is good timing

 

[The_Calaca]

If Jinbei scales to Ace, Luffy should scale to Jinbei, doesn't he?

 

[Damage3245]

Luffy's profile doesn't currently mention Jinbe.

 

[The_Calaca]

I'll look that later. If the profile doesn't mention it but he does indeed scales then it should be correct.

 

[Js250476]

Should Fujitora scale to if Sabo scales to this?

 

[The_Calaca]

If Sabo scales Fujitora should do it too. If we got enough evidence se might scale Luffy to Fujitora too.

 

[Js250476]

Sweet i also think if Doffy scales Law might as well

 

[Rin_The_Dragon_Empress]

Law should scale imo, but a likely or a possibly before his tier. He was at a clear disadvantage against Doffy.

 

[The_Calaca]

If you think about it Fuji has his own physical and DF feats so if Doffy can cut trough Fuji's meteors then he should be comparable to him. IIRC Doffy is superior to G3 and G3 is comparable to Fuji's physical stats. And Luffy would scale aswell.

 

[Js250476]

Yeah he blocked an elephant gun with no damage

 

[Damage3245]

Currently at work at the moment but in a few hours I'll try and draw up a cohesive list of who should scale to who so we don't make any mistakes with these ratings.

 

[The_Calaca]

Ok. Good luck with that.

 

[Stefano4444]

This feat should obviously scale to all Top Yonkou Commanders, since them are one the few characters who can trully tag and fight Admirals to be point of force them to be more than casual to win a fight.

It should also scale both Fujitora and Ryokugyu, since logically they should have at least comparable strength to a casual Aokiji, and Doflamingo as well since he did survive a casual freeze from Kuzan himself.

 

[The_Calaca]

Damage argued that Aokiji might wasn't trying to freeze Doffy so he shouldn't scale. But even if we take that into considerstion there are plenty of things to scale Doffy and co.

I realized that Aokiji froze Jozu but that wasn't casual so he can scale to a casual freeze.

 

[Damage3245]

I'd say that Doflamingo scaling is debatable. Will have to see how it fits in with the overall scaling as well.

 

[Dr.Fix]

I think Flamingo is fine. Ice Man had no reason to go easy on a thug, especially since he wasn't affiliated with WG anymore. Ant will probably enforce it anyway given the Birdcage and how much he pushed for his fav character.

Jonzu is a stretch though since he later got one-shot. Island level (No +) is probably just fine for him and the other WB crew guys.

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, I am fine with Whitebeard, Ace and Akainu directly scaling from this.

I'm somewhat uncertain on Kizaru, Fujitora and Ryokugyu indirectly scaling from this (I've believed for a long time that ranks don't necessarily indicate directly comparable statistics. Commanders have different stats. Vice Admirals have different stats, etc.)

I also think Jozu and Doflamingo are definitely arguable against scaling from this. Same for most other Yonko Commanders.

 

[Dr.Fix]

. . .
I also think Jozu and Doflamingo are definitely arguable against scaling from this. Same for most other Yonko Commanders.

How come?

 

[Cmue0312]

> Jozu was capable of making Aokiji bleed

While I know AP = durability in a lot of cases, this calc is for Aokiji's ability to freeze things, right? In other words just his AP?

How does it automatically scale to Aokiji's durability?

Because Aokiji took on Akainu for 10 days and they both scale to Whitebeard's 300 Gigaton feat. Which is over 3 times stronger than this feat.

 

[Cmue0312]

I don't see why Doflamingo wouldn't scale. Aokiji froze Doflamingo because he was going to kill Smoker Aokiji's friend. Aokiji preformed this feat to help some guy he doesn't know move. I'm pretty sure Aokiji would use more of his power to save his friend from dieing then the previous situation.

 

[Damage3245]

Because Aokiji took on Akainu for 10 days and they both scale to Whitebeard's 300 Gigaton feat. Which is over 3 times stronger than this feat.

That's not an argument for this feat scaling to Aokiji's durability.

Rather, you're just stating that Aokiji already gets his durability rating from another feat.

@Dr. Fix;

Aokiji wasn't necessarily attacking Doflamingo to freeze him through. He was just stopping him from attacking Smoker. Once Doflamingo broke out of the shell of ice, he backed off and retreated.

As for Jozu, that argument is mostly because the line in the OP saying that he punched Aokiji. Punching Aokiji doesn't make him scale to this feat.

I don't see why Doflamingo wouldn't scale. Aokiji froze Doflamingo because he was going to kill Smoker Aokiji's friend. Aokiji preformed this feat to help some guy he doesn't know move. I'm pretty sure Aokiji would use more of his power to save his friend from dieing then the previous situation.

How would you prove that though? We can't calc the seriousness of a character.

 

[Stefano4444]

I'm somewhat uncertain on Kizaru, Fujitora and Ryokugyu indirectly scaling from this (I've believed for a long time that ranks don't necessarily indicate directly comparable statistics. Commanders have different stats. Vice Admirals have different stats, etc.)

Kizaru is already scaled off Whitebeard's quake, how he had anything to do with this discussion? And while i do agree that ranks doesn't necessarily indicate great strength (like with the shichibukai), i don't think this can be apply with the rank of admiral.

The admiral is one of the major powers that the Marines had at disposal, one of the few who can trully hold the ground again a yonko and survive, if someone get to become an admiral it means it must be extremely powerful for New World's standard, at least on a level comparable with top yonkou commanders.

For the yonko commanders, again you're correct, but it feat should still scaled to the strongest ones as it was show that WB's strongest members crew members (Jozu, Vista, Ace and Marco) possesses the strength necessary to hold their own with admirals and is very unlikely that there can be a vast gap between them and other top yonko commanders (Jack, Burgess, Katakuri, Smoothie or Cracker).

For vice-admirals, it may depend by the individual but is not impossible for several of them to be that strong, in the Movie Gold the two vice-admirals Tokikake and Gion (which are also canon by the way) have been considered as candidates to take the rank of admiral, meaning the strongest vice-admirals may well be one a level comparable with top yonkou commanders.

Yonko > Admiral > Top Yonko Commander = Top Vice-Admiral > Yonko Commander = Vice-Admiral