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We do actually
Super’s Hell is treated as a Universal Space as it was giving to us in the Toei guides which were used to describe the Hell depicted in Z and the movies
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Xenoverse and Heroes possible separation
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Super’s Hell is treated as a Universal Space as it was giving to us in the Toei guides which were used to describe the Hell depicted in Z and the movies
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And please don't try and drag on the same point for pages insisting that I'm wrong and that it is enough evidence while bringing nothing new to the conversation, I will delete posts for derailment. Plus, you're missing the vital evidence in that actual mention of infinite timelines which Xenoverse has but Heroes doesn't.
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You mean shit canon Dragon Ball has?
By the way, the "Demon Realm" and the "Dark Demon Realm" are the same thing. Heroes just expands on its lore.
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it’s not derailment though because it’s literally the same cosmology. Same realms, same time spaces. Your only basis for this argument is a lack of a statement that describes the sheer size which seems extremely irrelevant because it’s depicted the exact same cosmology. Again you would have to prove that the cosmologies are different and not just the continuity.
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So who is actually going to be making the Sandboxes for the changes?
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Also as i discuss with Domino, we decide to make profile for Toki Toki both Xenoverse and Heroes version as he is a prominent character in both series
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Okay. Are you planning to create a Sandbox and CRT before posting the Profiles, as there have been certain abilities that haven't been understood and attributed to Toki-Toki in the past which led to past attempts to creating its profile to stall?
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Well i don't have many free time so i left it for others, too busy with real life work, the only thing i can do is help with editing profile most of the time, sorry
About Toki Toki, back in the past most DB game verse supporter are not bother with creating Toki Toki profile because he not a fighter (some want to make a blog about him but i think profile is better than a blog). But now with the separation of XV and Heroes it is a must to have Toki Toki profile as we need to make a clear distinction between Toki Toki of the 2 games cuz some people scale to his AP in Heroes, and in XV Demigra absorbed him so he need a profile to justify XV Demigra powers and abilities after the absorption, it also allow us to shortening some character AP description when we can just link their to Toki Toki profile for scaling if needed rather than make a freaking long wording which will be a pain in the future if there is new revision and editting
About Toki Toki, back in the past most DB game verse supporter are not bother with creating Toki Toki profile because he not a fighter (some want to make a blog about him but i think profile is better than a blog). But now with the separation of XV and Heroes it is a must to have Toki Toki profile as we need to make a clear distinction between Toki Toki of the 2 games cuz some people scale to his AP in Heroes, and in XV Demigra absorbed him so he need a profile to justify XV Demigra powers and abilities after the absorption, it also allow us to shortening some character AP description when we can just link their to Toki Toki profile for scaling if needed rather than make a freaking long wording which will be a pain in the future if there is new revision and editting
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Again, who would be the characters scaling to 2-B and who will scale lower than it?
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Well as much as i want, i already stated i don't have much time, also this is kinda like a big operation to separate verse and revise profile rating, which should take a very huge amount of time. I will help as much as i can cuz i'm verse suppoter, but i still have real-life work to take care of too
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If I’m told which profiles need revisions and what to change I’ll be able to apply the changes if others don’t have sufficient time on their hands.
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Actually all profile, as they will not just all 2-A anymore, and their rating will be divide into section/key
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Plus Abilities will also be separated as there's stuff shown in Heroes that isn't in Xenoverse and vice-versa.
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Actually some of ability did show in both game, notably is Demigra and one or two Fu abilities
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Some, but not all. Like the stuff dependent on gameplay mechanics in Heroes that obviously isn't in Xenoverse.
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well those abilities was never for Xenoverse from the start, that why Xenoverse key always in the first, and Heroes key is after, no one ever claim those Stamina thing was of Xenoverse
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Pretty sure Xenoverse probably also has some things Heroes doesn't, and there might be some stuff contained within Heroes different continuities, that are also being separated, that isn't shared, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to give exact details.
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Only Xenoverse to Heroes abilities,such as God Ki resistances to Dark Ki's stuff... Only the resistances to soul, memory hax and Power Null via God Ki would apply to Heroes since they're a thing there too
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Fu stuff like causality manipulation, data/infor manipulation in Xenoverse will not retain in Heroes
Sam with Chronoa causality manipulation, she only did this in Xenoverse, Time Labyrinth on the other hand is belong to Heroes
Sam with Chronoa causality manipulation, she only did this in Xenoverse, Time Labyrinth on the other hand is belong to Heroes
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So, Heroes goes to 2-C/2-B and Xenoverse stays 2-A?
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Agreed. Are any of you willing to apply these changes please?
@Dominodalek and @Vietthai96 for example.
The strongest Heroes characters will be 2-B, yes.
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Me, Domino and the others currently are trying the find the exactly scaling before we goes to the editting phase. To be honest, it will take a really long time. But don't worry, we will not stone-walling or using other mean to stall the revision as me and Domino want to separate Xenoverse and Heroes for a long time. Accuracy is a must
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No need, this should be open so people can freely give their opinion on matter, post evidence, new argument, etc..........
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xenoverse isn't 2-A. it says history can branch out infinitely. not that there is infinite ones that already exist. timelines are made by time travelers creating new ones meaning it can't be infinite.
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This again, can we take a break
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There's already Fuu's statement about saying that history is certainly not finite, and the opposite of finite is, guess what, infinite.
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The are also the DLC already named Infinite History
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that's contradicted by time travelers creating timelines manually. why would anyone even care about correcting timelines if there is already an infinite amount?
@Vietthai96 a name of a DLC means nothing. again, infinite timelines causes a huge lore issue.
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1) Is fiction
2) Literally nothing says that you can't add new timelines to an infinite multiverse without invalidating its infinite size.
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1. Infinite doesn't mean timeline can't be created anymore
2. The DLC name support other statement, make them valid. I don't see the problem with lore here
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it's fiction is not an argument.
there are problems with that. but ignore that, why would anyone care what timelines are changed if there's an infinite amount? are you telling me all of these infinite timelines are just how everyone wants them to be, and these random few ones Towa creates gives people problems? this isn't reasonable.
@Vietthai96 using lore to debunk a statement is bad? that literally makes no sense and is the opposite of the truth.
edit: my comment was directed towards your original post before you edited it.
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Because it's just how DBX works. Deal with it
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that's not an argument. but if you refuse to use logic, whatever.
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