Xeno Goku vs Azura (FEH)

[Bobepipipiri]

Both 2-A.
Goku DOES NOT have the Keysword.
Both are bloodlusted
speed equal.
They are both already inside of the dream world

Son Goku (Xeno)

Since we don't know what kind of impact it'll have on time, I promised the kaioshin I wouldn't use this but... IT'S TIME I GOT SERIOUS TOO! Xeno Goku as he prepares to go all out At some point in history, an alternative timeline version of Goku becomes a fundamental ally to the Time Patrol when...

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Azura (Fire Emblem Heroes)

A heroine from the world of Fire Emblem Fates, Azura is one of the heroes that can be summoned by Kiran. Tier: 2-A | 2-A Key: Base | Within the Dream World Name: Azura Origin: Fire Emblem Gender: Female Age: Unknown Classification: Half Human and half Dragon Powers and Abilities: Attack Potency...

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[Garchomp777]

Link the profiles or no vote

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

From what I'm seeing from Azura's profile she seems to be kind of a glass cannon with High 3-A durability. Xeno Goku could potentially kill her by flexing, but I wanna hear what can Azura do.

 

[Garchomp777]

goku because ap

 

[sanicspood]

she has law hax ig

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

she has law hax ig

Seems more like resistance to Law manipulation if I'm reading her profile correctly

 

[sanicspood]

oof, what can she do this seems like a stomp

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

oof, what can she do this seems like a stomp

Not sure tbh. Unless someone knowledgeable on FE can chime in on Azura's abilities this seems like a stomp in Goku's favour

 

[Bobepipipiri]

Indeed.
Well, here is a quick summary:
They are inside the "Dream World", which Azura has complete control over, inside of it (not that Goku could have stopped being BFRd into it anyways since it is thought based).
Inside Azura can:

• Duplicate herself endlessly (since the FEH multiverse is infinite, a bloodlusted Azura could potentially have Goku trapped into an endless amount of 2-A "prisons" with her copies (all of them have the power to make the dream world) and then end them all.)
• Summon an infinite amount of "Adrift" versions of her family members, which have their own haxes, but if hurt, can slowly decide to stop fighting and dissapear. (They are all High 3-A)

From these, there are 4 that are known are:
1.- Adrift Corrin (Male) (When fighting can target magical resistance ratther than durability and stop goku from attacking several times at once.) https://gamepress.gg/feheroes/hero/adrift-corrin-m
2.- Adrift Corrin (Female) (also target magical resistance and empowers her allies's defense and magical resistance) https://gamepress.gg/feheroes/hero/adrift-corrin-f
3.- Adrift Mikoto (she can attack with her sttaff, which Goku cannot counterattack to, and prevents counterattacks through his next actions, heal her allies if they are not one shotted, survive one fatal blow with miracle, and bufff her allies) https://gamepress.gg/feheroes/hero/mikoto
4.- Adrift Camilla (Debuffs Goku while in combat and buffs allies) https://gamepress.gg/feheroes/hero/adrift-camilla
*She can also destroy the Dream World multiverse at will while leaving it herself.
*Her skills (https://gamepress.gg/feheroes/hero/azura) and alternatives let her :
Make her allies attack again with dances and debuff Goku if she is nearby an ally.
Most of her debuffs are against sword users, which won't do much good against a martial artist.
And buffs.


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In short, the far most useful allies she has are Mikoto and Male Corrin. Mikoto can attack Goku safely and prevent him from conterattacking for a while (a "turn" ends when all of Azura's allies do an attack, but is game mechanics) and survive a fatal attack.
Corrin can also prevents counterattacks and can attack while negating conventional durability.
And Azura can dance them for them to attack again. (Bloodlusted azura could potenttially trap people into infinite attack loops with infinite dances, but since they are High 3-A, it is doubtful this is that useful)

By far, the wincon for Azura is to leave the dream world and cause it to end, killing everything inside.
Since the dream world is directly linked to Azura's mind and emotions, it will end if she dies.
These two win/incon conditions are invalidaded if Goku can teleport to a 2-A degree or survive the dream world being destroyed.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

@Bobepipipiri Does Azura have a scaling chain for her 2-A feat or is she only baseline? Destroying more than one countably infinite multiverse is only considered a range feat, so if she's only baseline 2-A, Goku should be able to survive the dream world's destruction as he scales considerably above baseline 2-A. As for teleportation in Xenoverse atleast Instant Transmission works across multiverses since Goku could teleport from the normal multiverse to the Crack of Time which is outside the multiverse and Xenoverse is accepted to scale to Heroes.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

She is baseline, yes.
But she can summon herself endlessly, which all have 2-A dream worlds.
and if Goku can teleport out of a 2-a construct after killing azura or having the dream world explode, then another wincon gets negated.

in this case, it seems that this is a stomp for xenoku.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

the only things here that might change the outcome is that Freyja is allowed to have skill inheritance (aka learn skills from other heroes), while Azurra is only being allowed the skills she can learn naturally.

Ex.
Windsweeep/Watersweep, which outright prevent people from attacking when she's faster and shoots first

Null-Follow Up probably effects Danmaku, as well, since it stops opponents from attacking multiple times (outside of blitzing, of course)

Aether halves Durability.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

I don't think the summoning can help her much unless they can increase her ap or something of the sorts. Endless Azura's all having their dream worlds is pretty impressive ngl, but adding more countably infinite multiverses to the mix unfortunately doesn't increase AP unless proven otherwise. Unless the summoned Azura's can increase their ap Xeno Goku will prob survive the destruction of the dream world thanks to his AP advantage.

Yeah in Xenoverse IT can be used to go outside the multiverse. In Heroes it is also heavily implied to work across timelines, but we already currently accept Xenoverse scaling to Heroes so Xeno Goku's IT scaling to Xenoverse Goku's IT should be fine since we already do that with Demon God abilities.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

Then it is a stomp.
The only thing Azura has are amps and minor debuffs with her "canon" skillset.
And if Goku can just bypass her main method of attack by IT even if infiniite azuras trap him in a endless amount of 2-A structures, then it is settled.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Actually I think the infinite Azura's trapping Xenoku could work if they trap him inside an endless amount of 2-A multiverses. It is accepted that more 2-A multiverses=more range and DBH only scales to atleast 2 countably infinite multiverses.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

Then that IS a very specific wincon.
Azura would have to summon another herself and have tthat Azura trap Goku inside another Dream world and repeat the process while Mikoto might keep him locked out of a opportunity to attack.
But this is not how she usually fights. Bloodlusted Azura could indeed do this, but bloodlusted Gokuu might also glare if that kills EVERYONE at once or before another Azura can trap him via BFR.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

So basically Azura can trap other people in another Azura's dream world like an endless cycle right? Also I just realized that Xeno Goku has resistance to temporal BFR so Azura BFR'ing Goku to another dream world might not even work. Goku resisting BFR does create a problem for Azura's wincon of trapping Goku in another dream world.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

Indeed. If he can resist BFR, then it is impossible for her to even bring him to the dream world, and even if they start there, Goku won't die to a baseline 2-A collapse.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Yeah this seems like a stomp for Xeno Goku. She can't BFR Goku since he resists and she doesn't have the power to kill him. A bloodlusted Goku especially could probably just annihilate her with a simple kiai or an Invisible Eye blast.

I could see Azura trapping Goku in the dream world if we didn't use Xenoverse because of the Instant Transmission feat there, but this would be against the wiki's standards for Heroes.

 

[Bobepipipiri]

Indeed, well, thank you a lot for your input.
got any other weak 2-A suggestions for her before i close this?

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Can't really thing of one tbh. Xeno Goku is already not that strong in the 2-A category. Any other DBX/DBH character that I can think of rn likely haxstomp

 

[Bobepipipiri]

I understand, thank you.

Will find someone cool for her to fight soon.
And it seems Freyja is stomping Goku without the keyblade.

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Glad to help!

Yeah I don't see Goku winning his match with Freyja without the Keysword lol

 

[Thedoctor]

Goku stomps freyia doesn't have a way to win plus goku can seal her and if that doesn't work he can get at least 4000 times stronger with transformations if he needs to

 

[Bobepipipiri]

that alone makes Goku lose even harder.
Freyja steals amps.