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X-Men Film Series General Discussion Thread
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Also I'd like to note that Wolverine's power loss in The Wolverine isn't like, a small nerf. It affects his healing and he's generally shown having more trouble in combat, receiving greater harm and what not. Given that it is narratively displayed that he isn't doing as great in combat because of that, I do believe its strong enough evidence to say that him being hit with bullets during his power loss isn't a gigantic anti-feat
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Quicksilver seeing bullets in slow motion would automatically hurl him into MHS to MHS+ territory given the shit-ton of actions he did within that dilated time so I'm not sure why that feat is even being considered to be an anti-feat. Worse still, Wolverine really doesn't care about slicing through bullets because that's not his style of combat, his style is to rip everything apart in front of him thanks to his insane healing factor.
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Yes, but the problem is that we are trying to upgrade the speed of the main cast to Relativistic via dodging the Optic Blast which is SoL, it was rejected before because characters who are hit by bullets would scale at that speed, so now we're looking for those anti-feats although they seem to be not very conclusive to contradict the upgrade
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Oh. Didn't see that coming.
Well yeah, Wolverine only reacted to the beam that one single time. I don't remember anyone else really dodging the beams after they were shot.
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Nuh uh fam, this ain't it chief, blatant aim-dodging. In the first scene, Magneto is already ducking to his right right before the beam pops up into the screen, and then for the next defense his metal shields are already up to protect him right before the beam is shot, if you go frame-by-frame you will notice this.
Prolly the only good feat but given just how far Jean scales above the rest of the cast I'd be incredibly hesitant to scale this to anyone else. It's consistent with her pulling away furniture from Quicksilver running at her at top speed.
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Wolverine and Sabretooth also have this shared feat of dodging a beam
Sabretooth dodged one of the Optic Blasts as early as the first movie
I can't really find any anti-feats from the Original Timeline
Sabretooth dodged one of the Optic Blasts as early as the first movie
I can't really find any anti-feats from the Original Timeline
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If Cyclops scales from Jean then the entire cast will scale from him as he was tagged by Lady Deathstrike
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The instances of bullets hitting people seem to have pretty explainable contexts behind them:
A) Wolverine doesn't bother to avoid them given his durability and regeneration. He's done this with other, lesser attacks (AKA things that aren't strong ass mutants) that aren't bullets
B) Wolverine suffering power loss, which affected a lot more than his speed in terms of physical attributes as shown in The Wolverine
C) Magneto focusing on an opponent in the heat of battle which made him vulnerable to a projectile he has consistently been able to stop (including at point-blank range when he was less experienced with his powers)
A) Wolverine doesn't bother to avoid them given his durability and regeneration. He's done this with other, lesser attacks (AKA things that aren't strong ass mutants) that aren't bullets
B) Wolverine suffering power loss, which affected a lot more than his speed in terms of physical attributes as shown in The Wolverine
C) Magneto focusing on an opponent in the heat of battle which made him vulnerable to a projectile he has consistently been able to stop (including at point-blank range when he was less experienced with his powers)
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For convenience, here are the Optic Blast reaction feats I know exist
Wolverine blocks an Optic Blast
Wolverine and Sabretooth jump away from an Optic Blast
Sabretooth leaps out of the way of an Optic Blast
Jean Grey blocks an Optic Blast
Wolverine blocks an Optic Blast
Wolverine and Sabretooth jump away from an Optic Blast
Sabretooth leaps out of the way of an Optic Blast
Jean Grey blocks an Optic Blast
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Only if you start moving before the attack arrives.
Could just be a charging up sound honestly.
Did Jean and Scott ever melee fight on comparable grounds?
Really the only legitimate blocking scene but there's still a bit of distance between him and the ligth that will neuter his reaction speed regardless.
That being said, some of the holes made by the Optic Beam need some revamps. I'll recalc the nuclear tower holes Weapon XI made later.
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They didn't jump, they only reacted slightly to the oncoming beam, most of that jump can be attributed to the beam contributing further energy to their leap.
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There is a shit-ton of distance between Sabretooth and the Optic Blast that this would also neuter the reaction and might wield something lower than Sub-Rel. Maybe.
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I definitely don’t think it’s on the same level of speed as Jean’s feat, but I certainly think its worth calcing
Wolverine and Sabretooth still reacted to the Optic Blast in the other feat, which I still think is relevant for the feats we are discussing. But I get what you’re saying
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They reacted, but the distance they moved compared to the actual beam is still considerably tiny, like the best they could do is raise their arms up to shoulder level while within that same timeframe the beam already covered half a reactor chimney.
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I'm admittedly curious to see how much higher that'll be than the current rating
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Prolly not much, still within the same ballpark, unless someone can calc the Gambit scene. The re-calc should be just a cleanup.
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Well we already debunked the “hit by other things too much”
No statements? We have a statement that calls them Lightspeed verbatim. I don’t really think their speed is inconsistent either. Slower projectiles are never portrayed as being faster than them
No statements? We have a statement that calls them Lightspeed verbatim. I don’t really think their speed is inconsistent either. Slower projectiles are never portrayed as being faster than them
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If an X-Men team profile comes along down the line, do you think we should make two pages? One for the Original Timeline and one for the Revised Timeline? The reason I think that’s ideal is because the team formats change as the movies go on, so to avoid clutter and make the pages comprehensible, it’d be better to make this separation
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Agree with the split. I'm also planning to make a Post-Retcon profile of Magneto, and speaking of that, at the moment he destroyed Auschwitz, do we consider that he was already being empowered by Apocalypse?
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He must have been amped by Apocalypse unless we say that Magneto was "6-A, possibly High 6-A" the whole time. I think his keys should be "Base | Horseman of War", since we don't know if he kept his amp after Apocalypse died
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His base feats are: use an anchor to destroy a ship, move an antenna, lift a submarine and a stadium, and also destroy Auschwitz
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Does someone know any way to calc Magneto destroying Auschwitz? That would be his best AP feat for his base key
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Wouldn't he also have his First Class and Dark Phoenix Renders when he has those Black Helmets?
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I guess so
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Jean's profile is very sad, and Magneto's will be the same after the split
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There is this respect thread that makes it easy to find feats and clips, and at least we have this calc for Magneto and Jean
