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Lorule’s not even labeled as an alternate world in the Zelda encyclopedias last time I checked.
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Would that be true? Didn't it happen while Hilda was around? And she's only like mid teens? If I'm remembering right, that'd only put the collapse over the span of a few years at most.Per the english version, lorule took a while to "collapse". it seems
The encyclopedia confirms that it's the Triforce that acts as a mirror that reflects of the heart of whoever touches it and changes the realm accordingly via its own power.About that, ah…
I have heard that the Sacred Realm to Dark World thing was more just a reflection of the evil in Ganon’s heart manifesting in the world itself. As in, the realm changed because of Ganondorf, but not because of Ganondorf, in the same vein as Po turning the spirit realm golden.
why would it include other great beyond objects and not just the sun and earth when we have no other proof anything beyond the one sun was made in that dimension?
Zant stuff not being accepted is stupid and about the souls.Where were Sols said or shown to power the entire realm? I know they're said to illuminate the realm and are the source of life for the realms citizens who turn into shadow beasts without their light, but where are they said to power the entire realm itself? Could be useful for anyone who scales to Zant and Ganon.
Vaatis feat was discussed a bit in another thread and is likely getting changed from a realm creation feat to just dimensional travel/bfr. Our standards for creation feats need explicit evidence for these types of things, unless we can find statements that say or imply that Vaati created the realm instead of just simply teleporting himself and Link to another dimension we can't really treat it as him creating a realm to fight Link in.
I'm not seeing how any of this proves the Sols act as a source to power the realm itself, just that they're the source of life and illuminate the realm in a similar fashion to the sun of the Light World. Being called pure power after calling them the source of life doesn't exactly sound like them powering and sustaining the actual realm."That shining sphere illuminates this world. It's called a Sol. It's like the sun of your world, Link." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess)
"The Sols were like the suns that illuminate this world." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess)
"The power of the Sol is the source of life in this world... It is pure power." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess)
"The Master Sword infused with light. In the Twilight Realm, it shines with golden light." — N/A (Twilight Princess)
"Amazing... The power of the Sols has been transferred to your sword..." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess )
Sols just don't "illuminate" the twilight realm they are also straight up used as a battery source to power said realm.
Its legit stated to be the source of life of the twilight realm and its considered pure power.
That same power used as a universal battery was transferred into the MS.
Except nobody was really halting his plans until Link finally started taking action. The Light Spirits were subdued except for one (And he certainly wouldn't be able to prevent Zant from affecting the rest of the universe given how easily Zant was shown to knock one of the out), Midna couldn't hold him back, Zelda was a prisoner, there was nothing that could really slow him down and yet he his twilight doesn't even go up to the sky, it just blankets the country. Also him having a small part of the ToPs power doesn't really change much unless there's proof that it's full power can do the whole merging process in like hours or minutes or whatever.Yes it took time because Zants plans were getting halted thanks to several people plus he didn't even have a good portion of the ToP,just a small part of its power.
Well the current standards are that if a sudden background shift changes to a starry sky then we need explict proof like a statement that proves it was a pocket dimension feat instead of teleportation or something. Link being sent back to Hyrule doesn't mean Vaati created it, whether he made it or if it was a pre-existing dimension Link logically shouldn't of randomly ended up back in Hyrule either way once Vaati was defeated, Link being transported to Hyrule is just plot bullshit so he isn't stuck in another plane of existence for all eternity, him getting back makes no difference in whether or not he made it. Hell, Skyward Sword has Link being transported back to the temple in the Sacred Grounds after he defeats Demise, and Demise didn't create the dimension Link fights him in and the only portal between the different dimensions vanished once Link entered. Your point of how saying it's just an illusion despite him never being shown to create illusions beforehand is ridiculous is frankly, just not a good point. Vaati isn't shown creating pocket dimensions the beforehand so by that logic him making the realm is also ridiculous. Is the ability to create pocket dimensions a well known ability the Light Force grants? Why should we assume that he's creating an entire dimension when he absorbs the Light Force? What about the Light Force makes it so likely that he made a pocket dimension?Plus dosent burden of proof fall on you guys to prove that the dimension vaati brings you to was "always" there?
When he dies the dimension literally dissappears with him. By that logic if Vaati wasn't the one that created it why would we be suddenly transported back into Hyrule?
This is just as ridiculous as the old arguments saying that Vaati's feat is just an illusion despite the fact never shown to be able to create illusions the whole game.
His feat was only achieved by using part of the light force because if you fail to get Zelda in time and let him absorb all of its power its an instant game over.
Nobody was denying he wouldn't still scale to Hylias power, just that the 4-A feat isn't an actual feat. And nobody has been talking about him scaling to the Wind Fish anymore.No matter what Vaati would still scale to Hylia's powers.
So please stop saying he's scales to wind fish when he scales to someone much better.
It's not confirmed that she has the Triforce, even the creating a champion guidebook directly calls into the question the link being her powers and the Triforce.Breath of the wild Zelda created a new timeline (Age of calamity) via the Triforce and yes Age of calamity confirms the power Zelda use is the triforce so the ending of Breath of the wild isn't just "symbolism" despite the fact we literally see her pray to all 3 golden goddesses for them to grant her power.
"That shining sphere illuminates this world. It's called a Sol. It's like the sun of your world, Link." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess)
"The Sols were like the suns that illuminate this world." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess)
"The power of the Sol is the source of life in this world... It is pure power." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess)
"The Master Sword infused with light. In the Twilight Realm, it shines with golden light." — N/A (Twilight Princess)
"Amazing... The power of the Sols has been transferred to your sword..." — Princess Midna (Twilight Princess )
Isn't the Dark World an exact albeit corrupted parallel of the main world?why would it include other great beyond objects and not just the sun and earth when we have no other proof anything beyond the one sun was made in that dimension?
You sure? I recall in an older thread based on this that the Dark World (before corruption), was a reflection of the main world?it's only stated to be a reflection of the user's heart, hence why Ganon touching the triforce turned the realm into the dark world.
Idk, I'm pretty sure there was a thread that posted a scan that said something along those lines with an argument that was basically "dark world (actually the spirit realm iirc but same thing) is uni in size because its straight up just the same shit as the normal world", forget who it was though that made it?I don't recall it being stated to be a reflection of the main world, just the whole "reflection of the heart", though if there is a statement that says that then it might work? Though Idk if warping the realm would count for AP with the stricter standards.
Because there's people saying the Dark World isn't uni in size?It's not like the corruption made it bigger, why does this matter?