Could I see the scan? But if im being real that wouldn't change a lot of things since it still wouldn't prove that the "12 universes" are separate space-times. But Whis having the power to travel across different space-time continuums would be nice to know.
Dont want to sound like a dick but you saying nah to what was already rebuttaled kinda makes you look bad. Zeno didn't destroy any space time continuums he simply destroyed the contents of the universe. If he destroyed time then the time machine wouldn't be able to go to zeno's location. If space was truly destroyed 3d i.e width height length. Then 3d objects and 3d movement would be physically impossible. Yet we are shown quite the opposite. He wouldn't be low 2c for destroying zamasu either since zamasu Wasnt merging with space time but the universe itself. Please read the OP and stop posting arguments that have already been debunked.
It is in the anime. Episode 60 something. I will try to find it if i get time.
Yes I agree. It is hard to scale series where the author himself has no clue about science.
I don't think he made any reference to the time machine. All he said was that he personally will go to a time period before zamasu arrived. Thus he created a new time ring/timeline/multiverse similar to future trunks` one. But it is fine if you want to interpret the statement like that.
He never expanded into another space-time, he just entered the present space-time similar to Goku Black. As shown in the OP. Remember that fused Zamasu still had the time ring which is an explanation for why he entered it through the same space-time path. Zamasu isn't 4D because again he isn't space-time itself. If he was then all 3-D existence like beings and objects would of become part of him, since he would be the 3 spatial dimensions(height, width length) and the temporal dimension(time) itself.
Yes, because Zeno's realm is above the regular multiverse, but not above the encompassing timeline. It would be stupid if a being above sets of space-time is bound to these space-times. That doesn't even logically make sense. Sidra and Quitela communicating is due to some kind of astral projection, nothing that debunks them being alternate space-times whatsoever. Again, events that happen in different universes aren't the same, it's just that stuff that happens outside the multiverse is viewed by them in the same manner.
Well, yeah. I already explained that this all-encompassing timeline is something that should likely scale higher than Whis to an extent as Zeno is the only character that scales to this timeline to a degree. Whis travelling to a different timeline is illogical for numerous reasons, which have to do with breaking the rules of the gods. In fact, we even have an implication that Beerus can travel to other timelines, but doesn't due to the rules that gods have to follow.
Wait what? why tf would whis use a time machine of all things. He wasn't even with them when they left lmao.
Absolutely. I won't be surprised if toriyama knows nothing about tier 2 and 1 stuff. I read somewhere about toriyama reassuring his readers that he will keep DB as simple as possible. The entire problem occurs when you try to fit DB into a complex tier like tier 2.
Different timelines are still 2C by nature. Nothing shown in the OP proves otherwise. It honestly only supports it. So Zamasu's feat would still warrant some level of Low 2C to 2C in terms of range, and Zeno instantly wiped him out.
Isn't Toriyama a big fan of sci-fi? It would be kind of weird if he knew absolutely nothing about how tier 2 and other stuff works. I mean, he uses some parts of multiverse theory in DB, so...
We can't really get Low 2C BoG when we're literally arguing 3A Zeno
technically we're arguing 3A dragon ball, which includes battle of gods so...
Yeah exactly. Whis actually was the one who created the new future timeline in the DBS anime. So he must have time travelled before future trunks and mai did. And there was no indication that he used time machine to do that.
Well, yeah, but Zeno is the strongest character in DB right now, so I was just mentioning him rn
Whis didn't create the timeline, right? Wasn't that Beerus, or are you talking about something else.
Yes, because Zeno's realm is above the regular multiverse, but not above the encompassing timeline
This site has been arguing 3-A db for the gazillionth time now. Yet nothing came out of it. This is what happens when you overcomplicate a simple kids show.
Beerus created an alternate present timeline. While whis created an alternate future timeline.
You're not listening to me. I literally said that Zeno's realm is above the regular multiverse, meaning there can't be another zeno in universe 6 in comparison to universe 7. That kind of comparison makes no logical sense.
This logic makes literally no sense. The Zeno button just calls Zeno to him. They were in the future timeline, and so that version of Zeno was called. Again, I find it weird how you keep making these assumptions, but miss the fact that the wiki still allows space-times to contain other space-times, if that makes sense. So the logic still doesn't hold whatsoever.
Again, this is mere clairvoyance. Seeing something in another universe doesn't actually contradict anything as it's literally just clairvoyance. Ig we need to downgrade Shinza Bansho to Low 2C cause of their clairvoyance, huh? Fighters are being taken to a place closed off from everything else to the point where even the Supreme Kai couldn't teleport them there. It's treated as a realm with no space or time (likely gets changed later). Again, these points don't go against the actual argument.
And again, this doesn't go against the main issue, which is the universes being separate space-times. All this shows is that Goku Black reached there with a wormhole of sorts, which he basically did.
Because they're different timelines. What happens in one timeline won't usually affect another timeline. Zeno erasing the entire timeline is proven due to the time ring disappearing. All versions of universe 7 disappearing would only happen if DB's timelines worked differently, which they don't, so this argument is moot.
I literally said that Zeno's realm is above the regular multiverse
the thing is though, Goku Black only calls the timeline a space-time, meaning a timeline=a single space-time continuum, that's even shown when Goku teleports to trunks timeline, presses zeno's button, which causes a parallel zeno to appear, and then Zeno erasing all matter of the space-time. The time ring disappearance is clear indication that only one space-time was affected, a space time that held its own parallel versions of the "12 universes. There is never mention of the "12 universes" being separated space-times and in fact there are many things that contradict them.
What? Are you saying that all authors are not omniscient gods that know all the truths of the universe and infinity? /s
