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why is Void Termina only 4-A
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Why would they not be feats? If Void exists across all dimensions, and can destroy everything, would he not be able to destroy all dimensions? That would put him at 2-C or 2-B at least. And he is described to be a threat to the universe by both Hyness and the pause descriptions.Eficiente said:
I often see that the main argument used against Kirby and Void is that they do not show feats that support their respective "infinite power" and "universe destroying" qualities. However, there are many characters on this site that claim to have either quality but never show anything on that scale. Giygas and Lavos (in Time Devourer form) are both universe destroying entities that are ranked at 2-C. However, neither of them actually succeed in doing so, thus not really providing proof that they can actually destroy a universe. So why would Void Termina only qualify as 4-A if he is in the same boat as them? Likewise, Ness is low 2-C for connecting with the universe, but he never shows feats that are even at planetary level. And in the end it is the Player who destroys Giygas, not Ness. Ness himself cannot stop Giygas. Only the likes of Super Dimentio and Shulk actually show universe-level feats as far as Nintendo characters go (the former's Chaos Heart annihilating the Sammer Kingdom universe, and the latter's Monado recreating his universe).
So if all it takes for these characters to be Tier 2 is a mere claim of their power without actually showing corresponding feats, why are Kirby and Void treated differently? If the game states that Void can destroy the universe, and Void is shown to be able to casually create up to five Master Crowns ( https://youtu.be/k3mZ2TH15NA?t=374 ), each of which has limitless power ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Master_Crown#Related_Quotes ), would he therefore not qualify as at least 2-C, going by how the likes of Giygas are qualified?
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Only Ness fused with a universe and still couldn't beat him so....
Don't know enough about Lavos to say.
Don't know enough about Lavos to say.
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Lavos overrode a timeline.
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@Ixodidae
>" If Void exists across all dimensions, and can destroy everything, would he not be able to destroy all dimensions? That would put him at 2-C or 2-B at least. And he is described to be a threat to the universe by both Hyness and the pause descriptions."
He wasn't said to be able to destroy dimensions, just "everything", which could be anything from planets to universes, "could be" is no feat. 2-B? I'm pretty sure no one ever said that the multiverse had that many universes. Him being a threat to the universe is only suggested (not even said) by the website of the game, and even then 5-B dudes are threats to the universe.
Also the lore, if Void were able to destroy all dimensions then we wouldn't had one anymore, if he were able to destroy a universe then the ancients wouldn't have being able to study him, and they wouldn't have classify him as a destroyer of worlds.
Also also, even IF he were able to destroy a universe, there is no timeframe for it.
>"I often see that the main argument used against Kirby and Void is that they do not show feats that support their respective "infinite power" and "universe destroying" qualities."
Not the case here. Infinite power is always a hyperbole, unless it's proven otherwise. No one was ever said to be able to destroy the universe in Kirby.
>"So if all it takes for these characters to be Tier 2 is a mere claim of their power without actually showing corresponding feats"
If the statement is reliable, and doesn't contradict notable things, sure. Kirby doesn't even have 1 of those statements.
>"If the game states that Void can destroy the universe"
Where?
Infinite power, again, is a hyperbole unless it's proven otherwise. The Power from Regular Show has infinite power, 5-B dudes are seen as having infinite power by others.
>" If Void exists across all dimensions, and can destroy everything, would he not be able to destroy all dimensions? That would put him at 2-C or 2-B at least. And he is described to be a threat to the universe by both Hyness and the pause descriptions."
He wasn't said to be able to destroy dimensions, just "everything", which could be anything from planets to universes, "could be" is no feat. 2-B? I'm pretty sure no one ever said that the multiverse had that many universes. Him being a threat to the universe is only suggested (not even said) by the website of the game, and even then 5-B dudes are threats to the universe.
Also the lore, if Void were able to destroy all dimensions then we wouldn't had one anymore, if he were able to destroy a universe then the ancients wouldn't have being able to study him, and they wouldn't have classify him as a destroyer of worlds.
Also also, even IF he were able to destroy a universe, there is no timeframe for it.
>"I often see that the main argument used against Kirby and Void is that they do not show feats that support their respective "infinite power" and "universe destroying" qualities."
Not the case here. Infinite power is always a hyperbole, unless it's proven otherwise. No one was ever said to be able to destroy the universe in Kirby.
>"So if all it takes for these characters to be Tier 2 is a mere claim of their power without actually showing corresponding feats"
If the statement is reliable, and doesn't contradict notable things, sure. Kirby doesn't even have 1 of those statements.
>"If the game states that Void can destroy the universe"
Where?
Infinite power, again, is a hyperbole unless it's proven otherwise. The Power from Regular Show has infinite power, 5-B dudes are seen as having infinite power by others.
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efficiente worte too much to quote
there has been multiple statments that a character is a threat to the whole universe and to everything. Magolor and Void. Dark mind was stated to control the mirror world. ill be able to find more later.
its as if we told you that some guy can break a tree and you do not believe me and say that he can only destroy a leaf because we saw him do it once and we did not see the tree feat. this is kinda dumb if you ask me.
there has been multiple statments that a character is a threat to the whole universe and to everything. Magolor and Void. Dark mind was stated to control the mirror world. ill be able to find more later.
its as if we told you that some guy can break a tree and you do not believe me and say that he can only destroy a leaf because we saw him do it once and we did not see the tree feat. this is kinda dumb if you ask me.
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@The Wright Way
This is a vague statement however. Ness was described as "becoming one with the universe", but this could also be interpreted as Ness achieving a form of enlightenment by perceiving all of the universe, rather than actually physically fusing with it. This would also be more in line with Ness's actual capabilities since he needed the Phase Distorter to travel through time and needed the Player to beat Giygas. He also can only PSI Teleport to set locations, as opposed to being Omnipresent as his profile states. So if Ness is 2-C despite a vague description and no feats to further support the notion, why is Void not treated the same way?
@The real cal howard
Does Lavos overwrite a timeline in Chrono Cross? In Chrono Trigger the time warping occurs due to the Entity, while the death of Crono's team between Trigger and Cross was a result of Dalton arriving in Guardia via his own timetravel journey and taking over Porre. Lavos did not seem to have a hand in the matter. And Lavos already altered and guided the path of humanity's evolution in Chrono Trigger through Biological Manipulation (since he was physically there in the prehistory), long before he became the Time Devourer in Cross.
@Eficiente
"He wasn't said to be able to destroy dimensions, just "everything", which could be anything from planets to universes, "could be" is no feat. 2-B? I'm pretty sure no one ever said that the multiverse had that many universes."
Considering Kirby works on at least a multi-solar system level and Kirby regularly travels across planets ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Milky_Way_Wishes#Story , https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Far-Flung_-_Starlight_Heroes ), galaxies ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Gamble_Galaxy , https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Far-Flung_-_Starlight_Heroes#Related_Quotes ) and even dimensions ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Mirror_World , https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Another_dimension ), it would be safe to assume "everything" refers to at least a universal scale. Otherwise it would have specified Popstar, the solar system, or the galaxy. And I said at least 2-B. If more than one dimension is being affected, that means it is at least multiversal (and thus more than 2-C). It could very well go up to 2-A and beyond if we literally take all dimensions.
"Also the lore, if Void were able to destroy all dimensions then we wouldn't had one anymore, if he were able to destroy a universe then the ancients wouldn't have being able to study him, and they wouldn't have classify him as a destroyer of worlds."
"Also also, even IF he were able to destroy a universe, there is no timeframe for it."
Because Void is completely dormant until Hyness releases him in Star Allies, so the Ancients could safely study him and determine from his level of power that he has the potential to destroy worlds. Alternatively they were the ones who sealed him in the first place before he could destroy the universe (possibly being the "galactic crisis" that Hyness and his cult helped to stop: https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Hyness#Quotes ). And the reason he did not get to destroy the universe when he was released was because Kirby was there to stop him. As for time frame, it took Giygas over 10 years to destroy the universe, which does not sound like he was able to wipe it all out instantly like his tier suggests, yet he is still 2-C. And Time Devourer was going to consume all of time, but he did not do so despite being able to time travel and theoretically do it at any time. And yet he is 2-A. So if time frame is no issue for their tiers, it should not be an issue for Void Termina either.
"Not the case here. Infinite power is always a hyperbole, unless it's proven otherwise. No one was ever said to be able to destroy the universe in Kirby."
"If the statement is reliable, and doesn't contradict notable things, sure. Kirby doesn't even have 1 of those statements."
"Where?"
Void Termina is able to destroy everything and "bring the end of all tomorrows" in the song described in his pause descriptions ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Termina#Related_Quotes , https://wikirby.com/wiki/Void_Termina#Boss_Battle ), which as I have said before very likely encompasses the whole universe considering the scale of locations and power in the Kirby series. Hyness's pause description also mention that his plan to resurrect Void Termina is a threat to everything ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Hyness#Related_Quotes ), and the official site also states that Kirby's goal in this game is to save the whole universe ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Far-Flung_-_Starlight_Heroes#Related_Quotes ). Furthermore, to at least support Tier 3 power, the Star Allies Sparkler was formed from a desire to protect the whole galaxy in response to Void Termina ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Allies_Sparkler ). Star Dream also was going to destroy all organic life across the universe ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Dream#Story_Mode ), and Magolor was also going to control the whole universe ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Magolor#Kirby.27s_Return_to_Dream_Land ) with his limitless power ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Master_Crown#Kirby.27s_Return_to_Dream_Land ). And as I said in a previous post, Void Termina is able to make multiple copies of Magolor's Master Crown. Yes, they are claims, but claims and vague interpretations is all that some of the other characters I mentioned have going for them.
And it is not a hyperbole if Star Dream, a planet-sized god-like computer, could calculate that Kirby has near-infinite power. Star Dream has no reason to lie or hyperbole in this situation considering he is a cold, logical, exact machine that is about to be destroyed by said nigh-infinite being. The definition for Tier High 3-A is "characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power". Considering "infinite" cannot be quantified other than word of mouth, and Kirby has infinite power in at least 3 dimensions according to the games ( http://i.imgur.com/iLEQV2r.png ), a reliable in-universe character ( http://i.imgur.com/HbxS1nl.png ) and the developer ( https://nintendoeverything.com/kirb...story-characters-robobot-armor-and-abilities/ ), Kirby should thus be considered High 3-A. Other 3-A characters like Bill Cipher are also only described to have infinite power and to be a threat to universe and multiverse, but do not actually succeed in doing so. Bill's power can only seem infinite compared to the rest of the mostly human cast, just like you said, but he still qualifies as 3-A. The likes of Mario are also put at 3-C just for beating SMG2 Bowser, despite Mario himself not showing any cosmic powers during said fight, nor showing him actually using the Power Stars in that game for combat purposes. So yes, Kirby does have several reliable statements of his at least 3-A power, as does Void for 2-C.
@Arceus0x
That is exactly my issue with Kirby discussion, and my main point with my arguments. A lot of burden of proof is put on the Kirby characters despite multiple statements in the games that Magolor, Star Dream, Void and Dark Mind can affect galaxies, dimensions or the universe, or have limitless power like Kirby and Magolor. Meanwhile, other characters in other settings can get away with a lot more vagueness and still be considered Tier 3 or higher. I feel this is rather unfair, and that Kirby characters should be treated less strictly so their profiles are more in line with others I have mentioned. Another example of a character being put in 2-B despite a vague situation is Dreamy Bowser, who:
- Absorbed only the broken shards of the Dream Stone and thus may not have its full power. This is supported by the fact Dreamy Bowser did not wish the Mario Bros out of existence like he initially planned to with the Dream Stone. - Only has the powers of the dreams of the Island Pi'illo inhabitants, not all dreams across the universe or dreams as a whole. Pi'illo Island has an unknown amount of inhabitants of which you can only get an estimation of by counting every single real world NPC and enemy on the island. - Is said to be multiversal because of all the dreams that the Dream Stone is composed of, but it is unclear whether the dreams are actually universe-sized. The stars shown in the dreams are not shown to be to scale to real stars, as indicated when Dreamy Luigi plucks one from the sky. This same argument was used as to why Magolor was not higher than 4-A, since it was unclear whether the stars and galaxies in Another Dimension and his pocket realms from Kirby's 20th Anniversary were to scale ( https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/98483 ). - Is stated to have multiversal durability due to tanking the Zeekeeper, but plenty of other more mundane enemies and bosses in Dream Team can do the same thing. - Does not show any multiversal feats in his fight. His feats don't even go beyond star level in his fight. - Loses to normal Mario and Luigi, whilst Void Termina had to be taken down by Kirby and his friends with the Star Allies Sparkler.
If Dreamy Bowser can get away with all of that, Void Termina should be put on a similar level, as should Kirby. Clearly the authorial intent is that some characters in Kirby have infinite power or can affect universes, so they should be treated as such. Especially since they all show off at least multi-solar system feats in their fights whilst the likes of Dreamy Bowser, Ness, Giygas and Lavos only show star level feats or less in their fights. If we are to treat things fairly, Void Termina should be put in Tier 2-C at least, and Kirby in Tier High 3-A.
What would it otherwise take for the Kirby characters to be upgraded? Do the games need to show Kirby sucking up a galaxy? Does a new villain need to erase the whole Kirbyverse? What is the requirement if none of the official statements thus far count, when official starements or even mere conjecture do count for other settings? This is especially jarring since Kirby's official statements are in line with the requirements for Tier High 3A.
This is a vague statement however. Ness was described as "becoming one with the universe", but this could also be interpreted as Ness achieving a form of enlightenment by perceiving all of the universe, rather than actually physically fusing with it. This would also be more in line with Ness's actual capabilities since he needed the Phase Distorter to travel through time and needed the Player to beat Giygas. He also can only PSI Teleport to set locations, as opposed to being Omnipresent as his profile states. So if Ness is 2-C despite a vague description and no feats to further support the notion, why is Void not treated the same way?
@The real cal howard
Does Lavos overwrite a timeline in Chrono Cross? In Chrono Trigger the time warping occurs due to the Entity, while the death of Crono's team between Trigger and Cross was a result of Dalton arriving in Guardia via his own timetravel journey and taking over Porre. Lavos did not seem to have a hand in the matter. And Lavos already altered and guided the path of humanity's evolution in Chrono Trigger through Biological Manipulation (since he was physically there in the prehistory), long before he became the Time Devourer in Cross.
@Eficiente
"He wasn't said to be able to destroy dimensions, just "everything", which could be anything from planets to universes, "could be" is no feat. 2-B? I'm pretty sure no one ever said that the multiverse had that many universes."
Considering Kirby works on at least a multi-solar system level and Kirby regularly travels across planets ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Milky_Way_Wishes#Story , https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Far-Flung_-_Starlight_Heroes ), galaxies ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Gamble_Galaxy , https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Far-Flung_-_Starlight_Heroes#Related_Quotes ) and even dimensions ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Mirror_World , https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Another_dimension ), it would be safe to assume "everything" refers to at least a universal scale. Otherwise it would have specified Popstar, the solar system, or the galaxy. And I said at least 2-B. If more than one dimension is being affected, that means it is at least multiversal (and thus more than 2-C). It could very well go up to 2-A and beyond if we literally take all dimensions.
"Also the lore, if Void were able to destroy all dimensions then we wouldn't had one anymore, if he were able to destroy a universe then the ancients wouldn't have being able to study him, and they wouldn't have classify him as a destroyer of worlds."
"Also also, even IF he were able to destroy a universe, there is no timeframe for it."
Because Void is completely dormant until Hyness releases him in Star Allies, so the Ancients could safely study him and determine from his level of power that he has the potential to destroy worlds. Alternatively they were the ones who sealed him in the first place before he could destroy the universe (possibly being the "galactic crisis" that Hyness and his cult helped to stop: https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Hyness#Quotes ). And the reason he did not get to destroy the universe when he was released was because Kirby was there to stop him. As for time frame, it took Giygas over 10 years to destroy the universe, which does not sound like he was able to wipe it all out instantly like his tier suggests, yet he is still 2-C. And Time Devourer was going to consume all of time, but he did not do so despite being able to time travel and theoretically do it at any time. And yet he is 2-A. So if time frame is no issue for their tiers, it should not be an issue for Void Termina either.
"Not the case here. Infinite power is always a hyperbole, unless it's proven otherwise. No one was ever said to be able to destroy the universe in Kirby."
"If the statement is reliable, and doesn't contradict notable things, sure. Kirby doesn't even have 1 of those statements."
"Where?"
Void Termina is able to destroy everything and "bring the end of all tomorrows" in the song described in his pause descriptions ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Void_Termina#Related_Quotes , https://wikirby.com/wiki/Void_Termina#Boss_Battle ), which as I have said before very likely encompasses the whole universe considering the scale of locations and power in the Kirby series. Hyness's pause description also mention that his plan to resurrect Void Termina is a threat to everything ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Hyness#Related_Quotes ), and the official site also states that Kirby's goal in this game is to save the whole universe ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Far-Flung_-_Starlight_Heroes#Related_Quotes ). Furthermore, to at least support Tier 3 power, the Star Allies Sparkler was formed from a desire to protect the whole galaxy in response to Void Termina ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Allies_Sparkler ). Star Dream also was going to destroy all organic life across the universe ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Dream#Story_Mode ), and Magolor was also going to control the whole universe ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Magolor#Kirby.27s_Return_to_Dream_Land ) with his limitless power ( https://kirby.fandom.com/wiki/Master_Crown#Kirby.27s_Return_to_Dream_Land ). And as I said in a previous post, Void Termina is able to make multiple copies of Magolor's Master Crown. Yes, they are claims, but claims and vague interpretations is all that some of the other characters I mentioned have going for them.
And it is not a hyperbole if Star Dream, a planet-sized god-like computer, could calculate that Kirby has near-infinite power. Star Dream has no reason to lie or hyperbole in this situation considering he is a cold, logical, exact machine that is about to be destroyed by said nigh-infinite being. The definition for Tier High 3-A is "characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power". Considering "infinite" cannot be quantified other than word of mouth, and Kirby has infinite power in at least 3 dimensions according to the games ( http://i.imgur.com/iLEQV2r.png ), a reliable in-universe character ( http://i.imgur.com/HbxS1nl.png ) and the developer ( https://nintendoeverything.com/kirb...story-characters-robobot-armor-and-abilities/ ), Kirby should thus be considered High 3-A. Other 3-A characters like Bill Cipher are also only described to have infinite power and to be a threat to universe and multiverse, but do not actually succeed in doing so. Bill's power can only seem infinite compared to the rest of the mostly human cast, just like you said, but he still qualifies as 3-A. The likes of Mario are also put at 3-C just for beating SMG2 Bowser, despite Mario himself not showing any cosmic powers during said fight, nor showing him actually using the Power Stars in that game for combat purposes. So yes, Kirby does have several reliable statements of his at least 3-A power, as does Void for 2-C.
@Arceus0x
That is exactly my issue with Kirby discussion, and my main point with my arguments. A lot of burden of proof is put on the Kirby characters despite multiple statements in the games that Magolor, Star Dream, Void and Dark Mind can affect galaxies, dimensions or the universe, or have limitless power like Kirby and Magolor. Meanwhile, other characters in other settings can get away with a lot more vagueness and still be considered Tier 3 or higher. I feel this is rather unfair, and that Kirby characters should be treated less strictly so their profiles are more in line with others I have mentioned. Another example of a character being put in 2-B despite a vague situation is Dreamy Bowser, who:
- Absorbed only the broken shards of the Dream Stone and thus may not have its full power. This is supported by the fact Dreamy Bowser did not wish the Mario Bros out of existence like he initially planned to with the Dream Stone. - Only has the powers of the dreams of the Island Pi'illo inhabitants, not all dreams across the universe or dreams as a whole. Pi'illo Island has an unknown amount of inhabitants of which you can only get an estimation of by counting every single real world NPC and enemy on the island. - Is said to be multiversal because of all the dreams that the Dream Stone is composed of, but it is unclear whether the dreams are actually universe-sized. The stars shown in the dreams are not shown to be to scale to real stars, as indicated when Dreamy Luigi plucks one from the sky. This same argument was used as to why Magolor was not higher than 4-A, since it was unclear whether the stars and galaxies in Another Dimension and his pocket realms from Kirby's 20th Anniversary were to scale ( https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/98483 ). - Is stated to have multiversal durability due to tanking the Zeekeeper, but plenty of other more mundane enemies and bosses in Dream Team can do the same thing. - Does not show any multiversal feats in his fight. His feats don't even go beyond star level in his fight. - Loses to normal Mario and Luigi, whilst Void Termina had to be taken down by Kirby and his friends with the Star Allies Sparkler.
If Dreamy Bowser can get away with all of that, Void Termina should be put on a similar level, as should Kirby. Clearly the authorial intent is that some characters in Kirby have infinite power or can affect universes, so they should be treated as such. Especially since they all show off at least multi-solar system feats in their fights whilst the likes of Dreamy Bowser, Ness, Giygas and Lavos only show star level feats or less in their fights. If we are to treat things fairly, Void Termina should be put in Tier 2-C at least, and Kirby in Tier High 3-A.
What would it otherwise take for the Kirby characters to be upgraded? Do the games need to show Kirby sucking up a galaxy? Does a new villain need to erase the whole Kirbyverse? What is the requirement if none of the official statements thus far count, when official starements or even mere conjecture do count for other settings? This is especially jarring since Kirby's official statements are in line with the requirements for Tier High 3A.
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This description does not add much. This only describes being something that was seen in the heavens and admired by the elders, fed by evil thoughts, evil actions, darkness and chaos giving rise to what is known today, being its true nature as ally or enemy as being something unknown.
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Wait, please, can you give us a more accurate translation? Does it says there are multiple ones and that they live in different dimensions?
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@Arceus What part of "5-B dudes are threats to the universe" did you didn't get? Being a threat to something doesn't mean being able to destroy said thing, much less one-shot it. Dark Mind's control over the Mirror World is in the form of him ruling it, not as if he were able to manipulate the entire realm at once.
@Ixodidae False. It wouldn't be safe to assume nothing, we need facts. The fact we have is that VT is a "Destroyer of Worlds" (which was even said 3 times) that can "crush the stars", who would make a massive jump from that to 2-C? That's nonsense. 2-B is when more than 1000 universes are being destroyed, at once. 2-A is when infinite universes are being destroyed or altered.
I don't care about speculation, any proof of him being able to destroy a universe?
"bring the end of all tomorrows"=/=destroy the universe, if you die all of your tomorrows ended there.
The Star Allies Sparkler doesn't support Tier 3 power at all. Star Dream wasn't going to destroy the universe, just kill everyone in it, which who cares. And is also overtime. Magolor was going to rule the universe, ruling something is no feat. VT making multiple copies of the Master Crown is indeed a feat.
>"And it is not a hyperbole if Star Dream, a planet-sized god-like computer, could calculate that Kirby has near-infinite power"
Mistranslation, Star Dream said that Kirby had infinite power. "has no reason to lie"=/=not a hyperbole.
@Ixodidae False. It wouldn't be safe to assume nothing, we need facts. The fact we have is that VT is a "Destroyer of Worlds" (which was even said 3 times) that can "crush the stars", who would make a massive jump from that to 2-C? That's nonsense. 2-B is when more than 1000 universes are being destroyed, at once. 2-A is when infinite universes are being destroyed or altered.
I don't care about speculation, any proof of him being able to destroy a universe?
"bring the end of all tomorrows"=/=destroy the universe, if you die all of your tomorrows ended there.
The Star Allies Sparkler doesn't support Tier 3 power at all. Star Dream wasn't going to destroy the universe, just kill everyone in it, which who cares. And is also overtime. Magolor was going to rule the universe, ruling something is no feat. VT making multiple copies of the Master Crown is indeed a feat.
>"And it is not a hyperbole if Star Dream, a planet-sized god-like computer, could calculate that Kirby has near-infinite power"
Mistranslation, Star Dream said that Kirby had infinite power. "has no reason to lie"=/=not a hyperbole.
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The Star Dream thing seems to just be SD being incapable of analyzing Kirby as the latter is MUUUUCH stronger than it.
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here is a thing i wanted to say about the messages above.
end of all tommorrows: effi said that if yo die you do not see a tommorow... then why the fudge dosent it say "end of one tommorow" instead of all? tommorow can be interpreted as a time frame. if there is an end of all tommorows then it means it is the end time for every being. now how much beings are there? there are multiple galaxies around kirby's universe and there is alien life, meaning that it ends all life across the universe => destruction of a universe.
let us just forget the infinite power for now. there are other beings that clearly have statments about controlling a world or destroying it. people say that we do not know what they mean by world and it can be meant as a planet but that is dumb. we have characters who do solar system level attacks and characters who are stated to be threats to the whole "universe" and here you are talking about how a world is not a universe but a planet in a multi galactic story.
end of all tommorrows: effi said that if yo die you do not see a tommorow... then why the fudge dosent it say "end of one tommorow" instead of all? tommorow can be interpreted as a time frame. if there is an end of all tommorows then it means it is the end time for every being. now how much beings are there? there are multiple galaxies around kirby's universe and there is alien life, meaning that it ends all life across the universe => destruction of a universe.
let us just forget the infinite power for now. there are other beings that clearly have statments about controlling a world or destroying it. people say that we do not know what they mean by world and it can be meant as a planet but that is dumb. we have characters who do solar system level attacks and characters who are stated to be threats to the whole "universe" and here you are talking about how a world is not a universe but a planet in a multi galactic story.
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