1-A Void upgrade for Shadow Fight (Need Ultima's input)

[Richard5128pm]

Similar levels of forces within Shadow Fight themselves are possible and even possibly stretching to a high 1-A and higher. But certainly not for something like that.

Oh then, go ahead and tell me which parts are wrong here

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Oh then, go ahead and tell me which parts are wrong here

There is a misinterpretation of the data and an attempt to give out a 6/7 dimensional existence for 1-А, through abstract phrases that, in the realities of the game, simply show that Tenebris is above the universe, he is the creator of everything and everything like the abyss (it is the abyss, because in Russian it is so called), he surpasses the universe, here, according to available data, It's just a difference in dimension. For, it can also be expressed in this way, and there is no context that would show that Tenebris can get a 1-A, at the moment.

And secondly, even if you give 1-A, for this, then the shadow descendant and the stranger should also have 1-A, like any character, because their souls are basically indestructible to anyone except the abyss (even complete erasure from the entire space of time, universes and probabilities, it is not capable of killing the soul completely), and also, any character can ignore its impact and influence its entire essence, through the Index of historical Significance (albeit in a very limited range, all abyss).

 

[Richard5128pm]

even if you give 1-A, for this, then the shadow descendant and the stranger should also have 1-A, like any character, because their souls are basically indestructible to anyone except the abyss (even complete erasure from the entire space of time, universes and probabilities, it is not capable of killing the soul completely), and also, any character can ignore its impact and influence its entire essence, through the Index of historical Significance (albeit in a very limited range, all abyss).

You've misunderstood the standards for 1-A, that's not how someone would get 1-A rating. You're saying stranger and shadow's descendant should get 1-A ap just because they have immortal souls, that is nothing special, only the void has the ability to erase souls, that doesn't scale those souls to the void, and I have never seen anyone ignore the impact of the void just because of their Historical Importance Index, in fact, it is the opposite of that, as shadow mind had a will of it's own in the accelerator core which was present between worlds and the effects of stranger's will were nullified to some degree.
None of what you're saying makes any sense.

There is a misinterpretation of the data and an attempt to give out a 6/7 dimensional existence for 1-А, through abstract phrases that, in the realities of the game, simply show that Tenebris is above the universe

what do you even mean 6/7 dimensional existence?

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

You've misunderstood the standards for 1-A, that's not how someone would get 1-A rating.

I understand everything correctly. And if you give the shadow 1-A, then both the descendant and the stranger should also be given

You're saying stranger and shadow's descendant should get 1-A ap just because they have immortal souls, that is nothing special, only the void has the ability to erase souls, that doesn't scale those souls to the void, and I have never seen anyone ignore the impact of the void just because of their Historical Importance Index, in fact, it is the opposite of that, as shadow mind had a will of it's own in the accelerator core which was present between worlds and the effects of stranger's will were nullified to some degree.
None of what you're saying makes any sense.

Well, that's all, immortality is at a level just below the abyss... In essence, you did not quite understand my words correctly, 1-A and the characters will have a spiritual body strength. And also on the possibility of overcoming the abyss. In the plot, there were limited impacts on the abyss by the world significance index, it's just that the index is limited to trillions of other indexes and therefore the impact is limited. The shadow mind was able to overcome the impact of the stranger, not because it was beyond time and space (which does not play any role for the index), but because it itself became almost at the level of the index with the stranger and was able to transfuse it, because it is the "third party of the stranger". What can be seen in the arena, where there is neither a stranger nor a descendant and where the shadow mind creates jokes

what do you even mean 6/7 dimensional existence?

The fact that the character exists within a 6/7 dimensional space, since it surpasses a structure whose complexity is 5/6 dimensional

 

[Richard5128pm]

I understand everything correctly. And if you give the shadow 1-A, then both the descendant and the stranger should also be given

This is a non-canon shadow, he is by no means the same as who appears in shadow fight 3. So, that wouldn't be the case.

Well, that's all, immortality is at a level just below the abyss... In essence, you did not quite understand my words correctly, 1-A and the characters will have a spiritual body strength. And also on the possibility of overcoming the abyss. In the plot, there were limited impacts on the abyss by the world significance index, it's just that the index is limited to trillions of other indexes and therefore the impact is limited.

I understand what you mean and it doesn't warrent them a 1-A existence, but rather, a 1-A level resistance to existence erasure, it is very different from durability. And I believe Historical Importance Index is pretty irrelevant here, as it has never influence the entire void. All it ever did was help our characters survive getting inside it, which, once again, does not warrant a 1-A range.

The shadow mind was able to overcome the impact of the stranger, not because it was beyond time and space (which does not play any role for the index), but because it itself became almost at the level of the index with the stranger and was able to transfuse it, because it is the "third party of the stranger". What can be seen in the arena, where there is neither a stranger nor a descendant and where the shadow mind creates jokes

It's not me, may said shadow mind has a will of it's own in the accelerator core, not because it is a part of stranger, but because it was outside the casualty of the universe.

The fact that the character exists within a 6/7 dimensional space, since it surpasses a structure whose complexity is 5/6 dimensional

This is completely new to me, I suppose you mean characters who exist within 6 or 7 dimensional space.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

This is a non-canon shadow, he is by no means the same as who appears in shadow fight 3. So, that wouldn't be the case.

All shadows are canon, shades this confirms that shadows from the dungeon, an alternate universe, he also fights with a certain entity outside of space and time, which appears in the form of May from part 3, according to the plot of the raids

I understand what you mean and it doesn't warrent them a 1-A existence, but rather, a 1-A level resistance to existence erasure, it is very different from durability. And I believe Historical Importance Index is pretty irrelevant here, as it has never influence the entire void. All it ever did was help our characters survive getting inside it, which, once again, does not warrant a 1-A range.

The descendant is the liberator of souls, which, by using the index, influenced the abyss and the creation of the ancients, as well as the behavior of all characters

It's not me, may said shadow mind has a will of it's own in the accelerator core, not because it is a part of stranger, but because it was outside the casualty of the universe..

You misunderstood. The shadow mind overcame the stranger's influence because of the index of its Own, because it is part of the stranger, and the stranger is part of it, and not because it has gained the mind that it always had

This is completely new to me, I suppose you mean characters who exist within 6 or 7 dimensional space.

Yes, that's right

 

[Richard5128pm]

All shadows are canon, shades this confirms that shadows from the dungeon, an alternate universe, he also fights with a certain entity outside of space and time, which appears in the form of May from part 3, according to the plot of the raids

I do know underworld and shadow fight 3 exist in the same canon continuity, what I'm referring to is the part where shadow chooses "turn back" after he defeats tenebris, which is not canon, as the existence of tier 4 only proves the fact shadow canonically chose to enter the portal, instead of turning back.
The part where shadow gets the void's power is regarded non canon to the main storyline.

The descendant is the liberator of souls, which, by using the index, influenced the abyss and the creation of the ancients, as well as the behavior of all characters

Nope, that doesn't "influence" the void one bit.

You misunderstood. The shadow mind overcame the stranger's influence because of the index of its Own, because it is part of the stranger, and the stranger is part of it, and not because it has gained the mind that it always had

Shadow mind is nowhere stated to be as haxed as stranger. But whatever, not like it is relavent to this thread. What makes you think the void isn't atemporal and aspatial? What makes you think it is smaller than the multiverse?

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

I do know underworld and shadow fight 3 exist in the same canon continuity, what I'm referring to is the part where shadow chooses "turn back" after he defeats tenebris, which is not canon, as the existence of tier 4 only proves the fact shadow canonically chose to enter the portal, instead of turning back.
The part where shadow gets the void's power is regarded non canon to the main storyline.

For the abyss, all the canon, alternative branches, other worlds are possible and impossible, it's still the truth. Mnemos explained this to us in the battle of Itu against the Bolo, that all versions are equivalent to each other and not, true and untrue

Nope, that doesn't "influence" the void one bit.

It influenced, created a monuscript, which led to the appearance of a usurper, for whom a descendant eventually appeared and a shadow. And the abyss helps the descendant

Shadow mind is nowhere stated to be as haxed as stranger

It's supposed to be. Because of the plot

. But whatever, not like it is relavent to this thread. What makes you think the void isn't atemporal and aspatial? What makes you think it is smaller than the multiverse?

I have already written, and I repeat. According to available data, nothing comes out in the thread above 6/7 dimensions, since the context of the abyss has a completely different nature.
The very possibility of 1-A I do not deny it, but I absolutely do not like how the proofs are presented here and that they do not correspond to reality

 

[Richard5128pm]

Mnemos explained this to us in the battle of Itu against the Bolo, that all versions are equivalent to each other and not, true and untrue

I'm aware of that, and that is not enough to prove the "turn back" option as canon, simple as that.

It influenced, created a monuscript, which led to the appearance of a usurper, for whom a descendant eventually appeared and a shadow. And the abyss helps the descendant

You're going a bit overboard here, Liberator of Mortals wrote a manuscript about the past, present and the future (or atleast how to predict it), it has to do with the fact that he exists in a place which is beyond time (the void room / the void), where the universe would seem like an open book for him (it's past, present and the future), now, I have no idea why you would bring this up and say stranger would have influence over the void, it is like connecting two entirely differently things while trying to prove something.

I have already written, and I repeat. According to available data, nothing comes out in the thread above 6/7 dimensions, since the context of the abyss has a completely different nature.

You're repeating the fact that this upgrade isn't gonna be above complex multi, but with no explanation to back it up, you brought up the void room recursions, but the scans didn't prove it, void room didn't even reoccur even once in those scans. Those scans are basically the same as regular scans, which we've already seen before.

The very possibility of 1-A I do not deny it, but I absolutely do not like how the proofs are presented here and that they do not correspond to reality

This thread is supposed to focus soly on the void and how it is vaster than the multiverse, and you're not being comprehensive with what you mean.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

I'm aware of that, and that is not enough to prove the "turn back" option as canon, simple as that.

I don't know why in a structure in which everything is possible, according to the developers and where it is shown that the events of the dungeon are canon, this is not enough, given that the immortals already influence the weasel.

You're going a bit overboard here, Liberator of Mortals wrote a manuscript about the past, present and the future (or atleast how to predict it), it has to do with the fact that he exists in a place which is beyond time (the void room / the void), where the universe would seem like an open book for him (it's past, present and the future), now, I have no idea why you would bring this up and say stranger would have influence over the void, it is like connecting two entirely differently things while trying to prove something.

The liberator created the manuscript, he got to June's grandfather, he went crazy, usurped the abyss, in response, the abyss created a descendant to free himself and led him through the whole game.

You're repeating the fact that this upgrade isn't gonna be above complex multi, but with no explanation to back it up, you brought up the void room recursions, but the scans didn't prove it, void room didn't even reoccur even once in those scans. Those scans are basically the same as regular scans, which we've already seen before.

How did it not happen even once, if there was a world within a world within a world?
I repeat, at the moment, within the framework of the thread, there are vague and indistinct descriptions of the abyss, which show its abstraction relative to the ordinary universe, but.... Stupidly there is no context to consider it above 6/7 dimensions. This is a common description of multidimensionality, but you are trying, through certain words, to give what is not there. I'm just sitting here, reading the beginning and discussion every 5 times and I don't understand why there should be a 1-A. This is the usual description of the world that is "above". Therefore, I am fundamentally against this level at the moment, maybe we will need to cooperate and make up a shadow fight cosmological model together, if you have certain scans that I can try to find in Russian and help in their interpretation, as a native speaker.

This thread is supposed to focus soly on the void and how it is vaster than the multiverse, and you're not being comprehensive with what you mean.

So 6/7 dimensions is the structure, which is larger than the multiverse, a little but more

 

[Antvasima]

I still think that it seems like a waste of time to keep this discussion thread open.

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

These changes seem to convince me more than the previous ones, but I need to wait for counterarguments of this to give my opinion, even so, in neutral.

 

[Richard5128pm]

I don't know why in a structure in which everything is possible, according to the developers and where it is shown that the events of the dungeon are canon, this is not enough, given that the immortals already influence the weasel.

Yes, the underworld story is canon, but this "turn back" option is non canon to underworld as well, as shadow canonically only jumps into the portal, not turn back. Therefore, canonically, no version of shadow gets 1-A attack potency.

The liberator created the manuscript, he got to June's grandfather, he went crazy, usurped the abyss, in response, the abyss created a descendant to free himself and led him through the whole game.

There's no exact scan that suggests the liberator's manuscript or anything at all has influenced the void, it is an assumption.

reading the beginning and discussion every 5 times and I don't understand why there should be a 1-A.

Are you aware of what the beyond-dimensional page says? what it would take to be given a 1-A rating? A conceptual domain, or Void of nothingness in this case, must meet these three requirements to be given 1-A rating - Be Atemporal, Be Aspatial, Be superior to physical reality.
This thread's job is to the prove atemporal and aspatial nature of the void; the void is the nothingness in which worlds are created, its energy can devour matter and erase them
And the void's superiority to the multiverse, to show how vast it is compared to the multiverse.
No other shadow fight character or entity needs to be focused in this thread at the moment

which is larger than the multiverse

I'm quoting the Beyond Dimensional Existence page so you'd understand

If they are applied to realms that can be inferred to surpass the very composition of the lower reality (e.g. Realms that are, themselves, non-composite, such as conceptual domains, or often, voids of nothingness), then 1-A is the most appropriate rating for them.

Furthermore, keep in mind that Type 2 Beyond-Dimensional Existence (In particular the latter variant) is not simply a combination of a non-dimensional state of existence and greater raw power than all dimensional structures in a cosmology – Though that is a necessary condition to qualify for it, it is not a sufficient one. Instead, the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the character/realm's superiority over dimensions. A simple example being voids of nothingness that lack space, time and physicality entirely, but are nonetheless "vaster" than physical reality in some way, with common imagery being the universe as a small object encompassed in such a backdrop.

 

[Richard5128pm]

These changes seem to convince me more than the previous ones, but I need to wait for counterarguments of this to give my opinion, even so, in neutral.

Alright then.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Yes, the underworld story is canon, but this "turn back" option is non canon to underworld as well, as shadow canonically only jumps into the portal, not turn back. Therefore, canonically, no version of shadow gets 1-A attack potency.

In a different way. Mnemos says all possibilities, possibilities in the abyss are possible, regardless of their absurdity, contradictions, impossibility or falsity. Only the being itself determines what is true and what is not. So yes, any material on Shadow fight, any story, any probability is canon. Even the one where the shadow turned back, it just happened, somewhere in the abyss, at the other end of it.

There's no exact scan that suggests the liberator's manuscript or anything at all has influenced the void, it is an assumption.

He created all the ancients, their culture, led them to a titan who influenced the abyss, created a usurper who will say the abyss, created a battle of laws that shakes the abyss, yes, there is nothing at all...

Are you aware of what the beyond-dimensional page says? what it would take to be given a 1-A rating? A conceptual domain, or Void of nothingness in this case, must meet these three requirements to be given 1-A rating - Be Atemporal, Be Aspatial, Be superior to physical reality.
This thread's job is to the prove atemporal and aspatial nature of the void; the void is the nothingness in which worlds are created, its energy can devour matter and erase them
And the void's superiority to the multiverse, to show how vast it is compared to the multiverse.
No other shadow fight character or entity needs to be focused in this thread at the moment

None of this is here, you try to cling to the words, adjusting them in the right direction, ignoring the context of the work, which does not confirm any of this. There is no 1-A. Literally not, it's better for a shadow to have a 1-C than a worthless 1-A, like most characters with this level.

I'm quoting the Beyond Dimensional Existence page so you'd understand

This is every second character with a level of existence from 4d

 

[Richard5128pm]

Right, arguing with you is useless, as you clearly don’t understand scaling.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Okay, I'm against overestimating the levels of forces, there's no reason for them

 

[Richard5128pm]

Okay, I'm against overestimating the levels of forces, there's no reason for them

You’re talking about overestimating when you don’t even know the standards set for each tier, all you know are the definitions, atleast (I hope).

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

You’re talking about overestimating when you don’t even know the standards set for each tier, all you know are the definitions, atleast (I hope).

You are trying to take words out of context, to adjust them to the standards of the level of forces, I have seen it so often that it is already boring and there is nothing new.

 

[Richard5128pm]

You are trying to take words out of context, to adjust them to the standards of the level of forces, I have seen it so often that it is already boring and there is nothing new.

What have I taken out of context bro
All the scans I’ve used are literally talking about the void being atemporal and vaster, what more context are there to those?
You’re literally saying the void is 6 or 7 dimensional, which is a baseless statement to begin with.
All you’re doing is contradicting yourself.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

What have I taken out of context bro

All

All the scans I’ve used are literally talking about the void being atemporal and vaster, what more context are there to those?

Such that it should exceed dimensions, not lower dimensions. For Beyond Dimensional, there must be a significant context, not words, and a couple of its own multidimensionalities. For Beyond can mean anything, anywhere, anytime. As an example in Tenchi Muyo, there is a context that allows you to put Choushin 1-A, because there are a lot of prerequisites and justifications and demonstrations for this, while in Shadow Fight, a couple of properties of multidimensionality and a couple of words that the abyss is larger than the universe is very fair.... This is a groundless overestimation.

You’re literally saying the void is 6 or 7 dimensional, which is a baseless statement to begin with.

The abyss is larger than the universe, which contains 5/6 dimensional structures, itself, by hints, surpasses the contents by at least one dimension, and even 6/7 dimensions

All you’re doing is contradicting yourself.

There are no contradictions. You're just trying, for words that have a different meaning. To fit into the 1-A paradigm, ignoring everything that accompanies it (namely, just a dimensional superiority of 1 unit), forgetting about the analysis. In total, we have an unjustified overestimation of levels.

 

[Richard5128pm]

Such that it should exceed dimensions, not lower dimensions.

Literally, even your first point is wrong.
For a conceptual domain to be given a 1-A rating, it must not be composed of dimensions (like a void of nothingness) but must also have implications for being "bigger" than the physical reality of the verse, it doesn't talk about infinite dimensions or concept of dimensions, it talks only about physical reality (the multiverse, irrespective of it's dimensionality).

Something that demonstrates the "superiority" in question isn't just a matter of raw power, but something tied to the character's very existence, instead. The difference between Type 1 and Type 2 is that a character with Type 1 BDE has their nature be simply incomparable to spacetime structures, due to lacking size. It's neither above or below them, just different in nature.
A character with Type 2 BDE, however, has this non-dimensional nature indeed be something comparable to dimensional structures, more specifically by being "larger" than them. So it doesn't simply lack size but indeed is above size. So, for instance, if you have a void of nonexistence described as having no dimensions, or as "beyond spatial dimensions," and then it's portrayed as something far more vast than dimensional structures (By encompassing and surrounding them as a container, for example), that's Type 2.

This is what it takes to prove ontological superiority / qualitative superiority

For Beyond Dimensional, there must be a significant context, not words, and a couple of its own multidimensionalities.

You're saying this to a verse where every bit of context is given through words

The abyss is larger than the universe, which contains 5/6 dimensional structures, itself, by hints, surpasses the contents by at least one dimension, and even 6/7 dimensions

Right, you're saying the universe contains six-dimensional structures and the void must scale one dimension above. Both are baseless claims. I'll just start ignoring you; you've already raised so many unnecessary and invalid points.

There are no contradictions. You're just trying, for words that have a different meaning. To fit into the 1-A paradigm, ignoring everything that accompanies it (namely, just a dimensional superiority of 1 unit), forgetting about the analysis. In total, we have an unjustified overestimation of levels.

Rich coming from someone whose arguments are filled with Straw Mans and Red Herrings

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Literally, even your first point is wrong.
For a conceptual domain to be given a 1-A rating, it must not be composed of dimensions (like a void of nothingness) but must also have implications for being "bigger" than the physical reality of the verse, it doesn't talk about infinite dimensions or concept of dimensions, it talks only about physical reality (the multiverse, irrespective of it's dimensionality).

Wow, these are the usual multi-dimensions. In the most classic view...
In shadow fight, they are trying to give a 1-A, which is not there, because there is no reason for this.

This is what it takes to prove ontological superiority / qualitative superiority

You're saying this to a verse where every bit of context is given through words

And he's not here.

Right, you're saying the universe contains six-dimensional structures and the void must scale one dimension above. Both are baseless claims. I'll just start ignoring you; you've already raised so many unnecessary and invalid points.

Ah, that is, the concealment of inconvenient facts that prevent overestimation in your paradigm, which does not correspond to reality. It is convenient that

Rich coming from someone whose arguments are filled with Straw Mans and Red Herrings
You have just described yourself and your arguments...

 

[Jeeeeepil123]

Rich coming from someone whose arguments are filled with Straw Mans and Red Herrings
You have just described yourself and your arguments...

The Fallacy-man alright.
He's crashing out there is reasonable, dude. You're literally making an assumption with literally no evidence to back it up (don't be mad when someone says you've made "baseless assumption", because it is one).

Even if there were evidence, I don't think it quite fits anything to what you are saying right now, and that you're just bluffing the entire time.
You could make a CRT in that regard if you're so sure about it, let's see how it goes.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

The Fallacy-man alright.
He's crashing out there is reasonable, dude. You're literally making an assumption with literally no evidence to back it up (don't be mad when someone says you've made "baseless assumption", because it is one).

The problem is that he uses pseudologics based on wiki theses and terms that have nothing to do with the terms and theses inside the work and attempts to tie them to a certain number of levels by manipulative actions. There is nothing to do with 1-A here. Vsb has a very inconvenient design, according to which it is impossible to normally throw off scans and hundreds of thousands of hyperlinks must be made, and this is without taking into account the fact that I will describe part of it in Russian, because I will throw the original and explain the meaning. I have already said, and I repeat, I could help you make a complete Shadow Fight cosmology, provided you cooperate, which was ignored. But I need a focus and a desire to work, as well as a complete understanding of one thing. The analysis will be fundamental and complete, taking into account everything that is possible, and it is not done with the aim of giving the lvl as high as possible, but in order to show the real state of affairs. What's not here.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

And yes, how convenient it is not to write me down that I am against levels, just because.

 

[Jeeeeepil123]

The problem is that he uses pseudologics based on wiki theses and terms that have nothing to do with the terms and theses inside the work and attempts to tie them to a certain number of levels by manipulative actions. There is nothing to do with 1-A here. Vsb has a very inconvenient design, according to which it is impossible to normally throw off scans and hundreds of thousands of hyperlinks must be made, and this is without taking into account the fact that I will describe part of it in Russian, because I will throw the original and explain the meaning. I have already said, and I repeat, I could help you make a complete Shadow Fight cosmology, provided you cooperate, which was ignored. But I need a focus and a desire to work, as well as a complete understanding of one thing. The analysis will be fundamental and complete, taking into account everything that is possible, and it is not done with the aim of giving the lvl as high as possible, but in order to show the real state of affairs. What's not here.

I don't even understand the first sentence you write here bro to be honest, let alone the rest. So how about make your own statement have some credibility, aye? Create your own CRT might help, or just drop it here so you can "debunk" whatever you're against about this thread.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

I don't even understand the first sentence you write here bro to be honest, let alone the rest.

In a different way.
Beyond Dimensional? = 1-A.

It doesn't matter what the context is. This is the level of argumentation

So how about make your own statement have some credibility, aye? Create your own CRT might help, or just drop it here so you can "debunk" whatever you're against about this thread.

It's not me who should create it, but you who should throw more context and proof, not me. For there is nothing of 1-A here.

 

[Richard5128pm]

So how about make your own statement have some credibility, aye? Create your own CRT might help

He doesn’t even know how powerscaling works in this wiki, he just feels 1-A is too grand for existing beyond dimensions.
Ignore him.

This is every second character with a level of existence from 4d

He even thinks beyond dimensional existence (type 2) is for 4D characters lol

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

He doesn’t even know how powerscaling works in this wiki, he just feels 1-A is too grand for being beyond dimensions.
Ignore him.

Try story

He even thinks beyond dimensional existence (type 2) is for 4D characters lol

"He even thinks beyond dimensional existence (type 2) is for 4D characters LOL"
(no)

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

And also. An interview has been released that I have just been able to read, and this is what it says

 

[Karabach-barabach]

I promised not to make any inputs on this thread back in time, but ever since then I changed my mind and decided to look at it

I won't make any inputs except for "Wow, this whole thread sounds either like a huge hyperbole or something else!" (I mean, basing off the vastness of the Void as an argument for 1-A to me feels like one)

So basically, put me in disagree

 

[Richard5128pm]

(I mean, basing off the vastness of the Void as an argument for 1-A to me feels like one)

But isn’t this what ultima talked about? If a non composite entity is described as something “larger” than physical reality, it has to be above size, similar to 1-A characters.

A character with Type 2 BDE, however, has this non-dimensional nature indeed be something comparable to dimensional structures, more specifically by being "larger" than them. So it doesn't simply lack size but indeed is above size. So, for instance, if you have a void of nonexistence described as having no dimensions, or as "beyond spatial dimensions," and then it's portrayed as something far more vast than dimensional structures (By encompassing and surrounding them as a container, for example), that's Type 2.

 

[Digital_Franz]

For me 1-A is valid. However, Ultima's opinion is greatly needed because of this.