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1-A Void upgrade for Shadow Fight (Need Ultima's input)

It seems like this revision has been rejected by some knowledgeable members. 🙏
Yup but we would still rather wait for ultima since void of nothingness and 1-A is a concept that not much ppl got knowledge on. Also most of our arguments are based upon his statements so its better we wait for him to take a look.
 
The pictures aren't showing for me.
Seems to be some kinda bug, I'm also unable to see the images
Count me as disagreeing for now, but open to being proven wrong. You're going to need a bit more description in some of the details to get 1-A accepted, as it's too vague in certain places.
Noted
How many more days will it take for me to post without the approval of the administration?
uhhh, just one, I suppose
 
I was called here for some unknown reason despite i'm not a staff, i will go over all of this when i have time, from a glance, while the logic is sound, scans along with statements in OP do not provide enough evidences, they provided some that could potentially support the argued rating, but not enough. Though i'm not aware if there any new scans got brought up in the discussion that not presented in the OP, since i really don't have time to go through 4 pages as of now
 
uhhh, just one, I suppose
I'm a new user and I have a postscript under my messages, a response to moderation, I'm talking about it.
 
A lot of these scans don't work.
Are you unable to see them or do they not help the upgrade?
Well, yes. Cosmology... The cosmology of shadow fight is so incomplete...
Incomplete is an interesting choice of word, but I'd prefer the word expanding.
I was called here for some unknown reason despite i'm not a staff, i will go over all of this when i have time, from a glance, while the logic is sound, scans along with statements in OP do not provide enough evidences, they provided some that could potentially support the argued rating, but not enough. Though i'm not aware if there any new scans got brought up in the discussion that not presented in the OP, since i really don't have time to go through 4 pages as of now
Unfortunately no, the thing is, the void storyline isn't even out yet, so these are the scans we have at the moment, I'd be down for a possibly 1-A rating as well, till the story is out and we get more scans for it.
But the idea remains the same, void is atemporal and aspatial + vaster / superior to the whole multiverse. so it's superiority must be ontological (ultima's words)
 
Incomplete is an interesting choice of word, but I'd prefer the word expanding.
Absolutely not, instead from my point of view. it is necessary to expand the cosmology of the inner content of the abyss, in the form of worlds within the worlds of the soul, a mirror maze, recursions of an empty room and other things

But, you go into a meaningless description of the abyss. Which give little without understanding its scale
 
Absolutely not, instead from my point of view. it is necessary to expand the cosmology of the inner content of the abyss, in the form of worlds within the worlds of the soul, a mirror maze, recursions of an empty room and other things

But, you go into a meaningless description of the abyss. Which give little without understanding its scale
Agreed, we have gotten nothing in the past year.
 
Agreed, we have gotten nothing in the past year

The problem is that you are not trying to organize the available information.

For example, that the universe contains a potentially infinite number of alternative timelines, which are 4 dimensional spatial continuums. In each of these timelines, there is an empty room that can contain the universe, from the point of view of the abyss, it is such a universe, as real as the ordinary universe. An empty room can create universes, inside of which there is an empty room, inside of which there is an empty room, and so on. The whole structure is located in one of the million "stars" that are present in the abyss. The protagonist, according to the question answer, can become a starburner and destroy such universes. This is the minimum I can remember.
 
For example, that the universe contains a potentially infinite number of alternative timelines, which are 4 dimensional spatial continuums. In each of these timelines, there is an empty room that can contain the universe, from the point of view of the abyss, it is such a universe, as real as the ordinary universe. An empty room can create universes, inside of which there is an empty room, inside of which there is an empty room, and so on.
The thing is, there is only one void room, a single void room which extends to all timelines, as it is located in the void (which is located outside reality)
The whole structure is located in one of the million "stars" that are present in the abyss. The protagonist, according to the question answer, can become a starburner and destroy such universes. This is the minimum I can remember.
Can you provide me with some proof for this? Why do you think the entire multiverse is one among the millions of stars. The void stars are very weird, I haven't heard much of em, other than the fact that the void contains millions of them.
 
The thing is, there is only one void room, a single void room which extends to all timelines, as it is located in the void (which is located outside reality)


There are many empty rooms, each of which is individual for each universe and time lines, but because of its properties, and the properties of the abyss, it can simulate, create and destroy many universes, as well as contain other empty rooms.
In the Valentine's Day event, Shibata simulated a mirIta that has an empty room, which has simulations with an empty room.

Can you provide me with some proof for this? Why do you think the entire multiverse is one among the millions of stars. The void stars are very weird, I haven't heard much of em, other than the fact that the void contains millions of them.
The description of the set reads

ЗВЕЗДНЫЙ ЛИКВИДАТОР

ЛЕГЕНДАРНЫЙ СКИН
Применяется к сету: ЛИКВИДАТОР СКВЕРНЫ

Бездну составляют тысячи а возможно, и миллионы звезд. Пока не умрут старые звезды, не рождаются новые. Звездные ликвидаторы сжигают звезды, чтобы дать дорогу новой жизни.
Which correlates with Tenebris, and his created worlds, as well as Titan. The very number of stars in the abyss does not play any role, because their structure itself pulls at a high 1-B, due to the recursion of an empty room into each other. In general, much, much in the English version differs from the original Russian version.
 
Alright then, I'll wait till other shadow fight supporters see this.
Can you provide me with some proof for this? Why do you think the entire multiverse is one among the millions of stars. The void stars are very weird, I haven't heard much of em, other than the fact that the void contains millions of them.
Btw, you don't have to copy paste my words, just press "reply" again, that'll show my comment again.
 
ЗВЕЗДНЫЙ ЛИКВИДАТОР

ЛЕГЕНДАРНЫЙ СКИН
Применяется к сету: ЛИКВИДАТОР СКВЕРНЫ

Бездну составляют тысячи а возможно, и миллионы звезд. Пока не умрут старые звезды, не рождаются новые. Звездные ликвидаторы сжигают звезды, чтобы дать дорогу новой жизни.
Which correlates with Tenebris, and his created worlds, as well as Titan.
I'm not sure how these void stars and star liquidator would correlate to Tenebris or Titan.
The very number of stars in the abyss does not play any role, because their structure itself pulls at a high 1-B, due to the recursion of an empty room into each other. In general, much, much in the English version differs from the original Russian version.
It's too early for me to agree, it's better if I think about it for a while.
In the Valentine's Day event, Shibata simulated a mirIta that has an empty room, which has simulations with an empty room.
Can you provide scans for this?
 
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I'm not sure how these void stars and star liquidator would correlate to Tenebris or Titan.
These "stars" are universes that look like this from the perspective of beings in the abyss. What is indicated in the background received for defeating a stranger

НА КРАЮ БЕЗДНЫ ЭПИЧЕСКИЙ ФОН

Бездна смотрит на нас миллионами звездных глаз и зовет к великим свершениям..

Can you provide scans for this?
Yes, I have virtually all the dialogues and descriptions from all the events in Russian, except for the main plot, but uploading pictures here is very, very inconvenient.
 
Which one? I just don't really like discord servers.

+ I can immediately throw in all the dialogues from the second part in Russian
 
If not, we should probably close this thread.
The discussion isn’t over until Ultima gives his input. Because ultima is the one who set the standards for Beyond Dimensional Existence, he is by far the most knowledgeable person on this topic. And this crt uses his explanation. Many other 1-A upgrades take atleast a month with lots of debates, so it’s better to take it slow.
 
Ultima is busy with his real life studies, and this thread should be a very low priority on his long list of revisions that he needs to deal with. So I think that we should close this thread. My apologies. 🙏
 
Ultima is busy with his real life studies, and this thread should be a very low priority on his long list of revisions that he needs to deal with. So I think that we should close this thread. My apologies. 🙏
Doesn't a thread like this required 3 positive/non-positive input from the staff? Heard this from the Ben 10 Low 1-A upgrade thread.
 
No. It needs 3 positive staff evaluations to be accepted. However, it quite clearly seems to be rejected and to not receive any more input from our staff, so it seems meaningless for it to waste our time any longer. My apologies. 🙏
 
No. It needs 3 positive staff evaluations to be accepted. However, it quite clearly seems to be rejected and to not receive any more input from our staff, so it seems meaningless for it to waste our time any longer.
I’ve invited many more members to this thread, to get their thoughts.

@ActuallySpaceMan42 hasn’t evaluated the thread yet, I’ve also asked ultima to add this thread to the 1-A, High 1-A, Tier 0 revision hub (Ultima created it to personally evaluate threads like this, since he is the one who set the standards for everything).
 
Hm. I think that it seems like a waste of time and effort in this case, but okay then.
 
Against.

Because the method of approaching the level of forces in the thread does not reflect the entire complete cosmological structure of the shadow fight universe. And I am as much against this approach to the level of strength as possible, for words that pull a maximum of 6/7d.
Simply... I don't see any 1-A here.
 
Because the method of approaching the level of forces in the thread does not reflect the entire complete cosmological structure of the shadow fight universe. And I am as much against this approach to the level of strength as possible, for words that pull a maximum of 6/7d.
What do you mean by this?
 
What do you mean by this?
The context of the attached proofs in the thread pulls at 6/7d, because you are trying to give levels of strength for certain words inside the work that do not correlate in any way with the real state of affairs inside the work. And I, knowing the context of these words, do not see anything here that would pull at 1-A.
Therefore, I am as much against 1-A. At least for this approach.
 
Similar levels of forces within Shadow Fight themselves are possible and even possibly stretching to a high 1-A and higher. But certainly not for something like that.
 
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