Why is Heaven Ascension DIO still 2-A?

[Eficiente]

We accepted here that the reasoning was wrong but we kept the tier literally becasuse we didn't decide what his new tier would be between 4-A and High 3-A.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3139765#255

No offense but this is extremely incompetent, we can't just claim things about a character that we know are false. If we don't know what tier it should have we just use Unknown, that is quite simple.

 

[Alitudil0]

I agree with high-3A with 2-A range xD

 

[PlotInducedStupidity]

Yeah it should be put to unknown until a tier is decided.

I prefer just treating it as hax with 2-A range, but if we need to tier it high 3-A seems better.

 

[Chariot190]

Wouldnt it be at least 2-C, given that it's shown in the post credits that his overwrite was effecting at least the main and SBR universe (probaly more given his whole goal to begin with), given that SPOH rewrote those histories to have a better outcome and SPOH only effected what Dio was ******* with.

Although he should have twokeys, pre soul absorbtion and post soul absorbtion, with the former being 4-A to 3-A and the latter being anywhere between baseline 2-C to possibly 2-A.

 

[Eficiente]

No, that's not even Low 2-C. 2-A was literally rejected, please do not talk about it in this thread.

 

[Chariot190]

How is rewriting two universes' timelines not 2-C? 2-A was rejected, but looking at the thread, the reason for it being rejected was it didnt happe, even though Dio's whole goal was to make one main reality and get rid of the rest as only one reality is needed and he even began overwriting the universe in the final battle, and the reality he makes is more then enough, even his profile quote. You can say 2-A was rejected and youre technically not wrong, but so was cell being a solar system buster at one point but here we are.

I'll discuss it as I please, there isnt any rules against it and it's on topic.

 

[Eficiente]

It's not rewriting timelines, making some unexplored changes in reality is just Reality Warping or other powers depending on what's being done. Even saw The Fairly OddParents!? They do that all the time, even a massive change can just be Causality Manipulation. And even if it was somehow rewriting timelines, doing so with his powers isn't even touching the space between them, let alone destroy it or warp it in an equally violent way.

This is a Q&A thread that targets one thing, it's really just common sense to not derail it with other stuff.

 

[Chariot190]

It is though? We know that Dio was overwriting those universes and to an extent that the downgrade thread would have you not think is happening, and we know SPOH said no **** you once he got all the souls, instantly reverted all of what Dio was doing and then rewrote the timelines even further so everyone had a happy ending to an extent, even Kosaku/Kira, except F.F, because **** F.F I guess. Poor F.F. Pretty sure that's some at least baseline tier 2 shit, otherwise we may have a case of double standards here.

Is it reality warping? Yeah, kinda the whole point of the power, but if we're slapping a tier on it then overwriting at the very absolute minimum of 2 universes, if not a vastly surperior amount given context, then it'd be at minimum 2-C, given that we know Dio was overwriting at minimum 2 universes because we see as much to such an extent that the universe he was in at the time went all DBZ Toppo world of void. Actually the fact we see what his overwrite did to Jotaro's universe (completely terraform everything in sight, giant chunks of debris floating and seemingly being drawn toward the giant black sun, etc), I'd call that violently warping (plus 1 given that we know it was effectng the SBR universe as well, so two universes at minimum), and that was only at like 98% full power, SPOH attained full power and did it in like ten seconds.

It is a Q&A thread, and I'm replying to the question, you may not like what I have to say but I'm replying to it in earnest. Then again, in your own wording, >No offense but this is extremely incompetent, we can't just claim things about a character that we know are false.

I'm doing exactly that, I know that some of the information in regards to the invalidaty of the downgrade is false, not all, but some and as such I'm voicing my opinion on the subject (given that the thread is locked and was locked before I even joined, kinda cant chime in anymore). Although if you want, just go ahead and change it to Unknown then for the time being, that at least I can agree with and should be fine.

 

[Eficiente]

It's just Reality Warping that gives no tier (nothing above what he should have anyway), it's just changing some things here and there, it's not equivalent to the whole timeline being destroyed, and again the space between universes is not touched at all. In Jotaro's case Azzy and others accepted that as possibly Fate Manip, otherwise it's just also reality warping, same as before just changing some things here and there. A whole timeline rewrite needs a lot of evidence considering how easy it is to just change everything, like mostly the planet is only affected by this sh*t why would the whole universe in all of time get warped?

The thing he warped was interstellar in size.

It's not the same, all the stuff you say would need its own thread, I want facts.

 

[Chariot190]

>It's just Reality Warping that gives no tier (nothing above what he should have anyway)

Ok so double standards.

>it's just changing some things here and there

That, isnt even true? It was more then just changing a few things here and there, that was the case before he absorbed the souls of 36 sinners yes, hence why the need for two keys but afterwards he was gonna do a lot more then just change a bit here and there. Kinda why he needed said 36 souls to begin with, otherwise why even go get said 36 souls if he was only doing what he already was doing? See how that sounds?

>it's not equivalent to the whole timeline being destroyed

Actually given context and what he wanted to do, I wouldnt be so sure, in fact I'd say you shouldnt be sure, you should be questioning what youre saying in great detail.

>the space between universes is not touched at all

If rewriting at least two universes, including the timelines given that SPOH changed a bunch of different points in time, rewriting the history of the main world in multiple different points in time, including the past before he ever existed, dont know what to tell you. Oh and the space between universes? Do tell how you would go about showing that given what was ocurring? We know he was overwriting two completely different universes but that isnt enough to warrant a tier 2 why exactly? Because something that 99% of tier 2 profiles doesnt actually showcase has to be shown? As far as I'm concerned, if we know he was overwriting two universes then that's tier 2, and that's generally how the wiki goes about it as well from what ive seen, hell ive seen feats that are even less then that be called tier 2.

> In Jotaro's case Azzy and others accepted that as possibly Fate Manip, otherwise it's just also reality warping,

And how do you think he changed the fate of everyone? By rewriting those realities, this really shouldnt have to be explained to you Efi.

> same as before just changing some things here and there.

Yeah, at the start of the game, after he absorbed the souls it wasnt some things here and there, it was complete rewriting of entire universes, literally why he needed the 36 souls, he needed the extra power to do such a feat.

>A whole timeline rewrite needs a lot of evidence considering how easy it is to just change everything, like mostly the planet is only affected by this sh*t why would the whole universe in all of time get warped?

Your first sentence is contradictory, like to the point it doesnt even make sense and contradicts itself, but despite that, Because he was warping the whole universe? Not just the planet, that's honestly a very stupid thing to say no offense, it wasnt effecting only the planet because we know he was overwriting the entire universe. Why would all of time get warped? He sure as hell wasnt only rewriting the present that's for certain, given that SPOH overwrote things in the past and the future and an alternate timeline (in the past) all in one single move with the exact same method Dio was using, it wasnt one at a time. And given SPOH just did what Dio was doing but in one swift motion, in fact given that SPOH was changing back what Dio was doing, we can safely saythat Dio's overwrite was effecting not only the present, but the past and future due to what happens with SPOH, and we know it effected at least two universes, ergo, put two an two together.

>The thing he warped was interstellar in size.

I didnt know Dio going it's time to overwrite the universe, proceeds to do what I described above, only comes out to interstellar. Youre showing a general lack of knowledge on the subject at hand Efi. You're thinking of his dimension creation feat (which is straight up called a world as well in the same vain as the main world so it's probably more then just that, we even see some nebulae iirc) not his final overwrite feat.

>It's not the same, all the stuff you say would need its own thread, I want facts.

For one who wants facts you seem to be ignoring a handful, but if that's what you wanna do then that's on you, but dont go and call things incompetent and showing a lack of false information, when youre doing the same. I actually dont mind you and youre one of a handful of users that I kinda like but don't be a hypocrite Efi.