Why Is Goku Black Only 3-A????

[manu_zarri]

Its literally a different space with a different flow of time, proving that its separated by space time

If you are talking about universes, no, they are stated to have the same flow of time

if you are refering to macrocosm, then no, just spatial, having different flow of time isn't enough for space time, even in our universe there are different flow of times

 

[Greenshifter]

if im not wrong, all universes in DB are 1 timeline, so, Zeno feat is Low 2-C only

It’s a Hypertimeline containing multiple space-times, so the feat would still be 2-C.

 

[manu_zarri]

Multiple universal bodies of space that all exist within the same space-time continuum.

oh thx

 

[manu_zarri]

It’s a Hypertimeline containing multiple space-times, so the feat would still be 2-C.

hm proof?

 

[Bernkastelll]

It’s a Hypertimeline containing multiple space-times, so the feat would still be 2-C.

Thats not DB case, the DB argument is because time flows different on After Life

 

[Garchomp777]

literally on our IRL universe, the time flow different if we are close from an object with a rlly high mass like black holes, having different flow of times doesnt means different space-time continuum

If you are talking about universes, no, they are stated to have the same flow of time

if you are refering to macrocosm, then no, just spatial, having different flow of time isn't enough for space time, even in our universe there are different flow of times

Its a different space with time in it proving its a different spacetime, you're talking about places with different time flow in the universe, but heaven is outside the universe

 

[KingTempest]

They're everything except separate Space-Times.

Goku can teleport all around the macrocosm but he couldn't teleport into or feel Ki in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber because it was a different Space-Time.

We don't have enough proof to call them separate Space-Times.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Heaven is outside of the mortal universe. It’s still a part of the Universe 7 macrocosm.

 

[manu_zarri]

Its a different space with time in it proving its a different spacetime, you're talking about places with different time flow in the universe, but heaven is outside the universe

Different space maybe, but there is no proof for spacetime. again, for be 2-C structures you need be stated to be a totally different space times

 

[Garchomp777]

They're everything except separate Space-Times.

Goku can teleport all around the macrocosm but he couldn't teleport into or feel Ki in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber because it was a different Space-Time.

We don't have enough proof to call them separate Space-Times.

The hyperbolic time chamber just is further apart than other universes then

 

[BOEGVELD]

the macroverse is rated as 3-A here, do u have scans on the canon source of it being tier 2?

Why is it rated as 3-A and not Low 2-C?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Why is it rated as 3-A and not Low 2-C?

it should be 1-C

 

[Garchomp777]

Different space maybe, but there is no proof for spacetime. again, for be 2-C structures you need be stated to be a totally different space times

It is, it has its own time

 

[Nullflowerblush]

time doesn't exist in other world

 

[KingTempest]

The hyperbolic time chamber just is further apart than other universes then

The hyperbolic time chamber is in the same exact universe. They could sense Buu when he was on the front step of the dimension but not when he was inside the dimension.

They explain why it's not the case on the same panel I sent, please don't look for baseless alternatives.

 

[Greenshifter]

hm proof?

That’s how we treat it. I can ask some people for the reasoning if you wish.

 

[KingTempest]

time doesn't exist in other world

Mistranslation.

"Time doesn't really mean much"

 

[Bernkastelll]

time doesn't exist in other world

yeh

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Why is it rated as 3-A and not Low 2-C?

It is Low 2-C. But, nobody except for Infinite Zamasu (who merged with it), and Beerus and Champa (who threatened to destroy both it and its sister) scales to it. The reason Goku is only 3-A up until the Tournament of Power is because Elder Kai's statements about Goku and Beerus' destruction only extended to the matter within the universe instead of the entire space-time continuum.

 

[Greenshifter]

it should be 1-C

Could you elaborate on my wall?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

It’s a Hypertimeline containing multiple space-times, so the feat would still be 2-C.

Wouldn't destroying this "hyper timeline" be a low 1-C/5D feat? That zeno has done!?

 

[Greenshifter]

No just 2-C as far as I’m aware, don’t see why it’d be 5D.

 

[manu_zarri]

It is, it has its own time

again you need have your own spacetime

also it's just have a different flow of time

 

[manu_zarri]

No just 2-C as far as I’m aware, don’t see why it’d be 5D.

if the hypertime holds 4D universes then it's 5D due to being space between dimensions.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

No just 2-C as far as I’m aware, don’t see why it’d be 5D.

Isn't the space between timelines is 5D? And zeno destroyed it along with the entire future trunks "hyper timeline".

 

[Greenshifter]

Oh interesting but no because that space can be bigger than just that Hypertimeline + Zen’o showed no proof of also erasing that higher-D space.

 

[manu_zarri]

That’s how we treat it. I can ask some people for the reasoning if you wish.

uh. sus

welp, did a CRT has already been done?

 

[Greenshifter]

Every possible thing has been CRT’d when it comes to DB (and gotten rejected)

Just read Zen’o’s page really

 

[manu_zarri]

Every possible thing has been CRT’d when it comes to DB (and gotten rejected)

Just read Zen’o’s page really

"The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected."

a big bruh

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Oh interesting but no because that space can be bigger than just that Hypertimeline + Zen’o showed no proof of also erasing that higher-D space.

Well we know that zeno erased all of future trunks' timeline but they were still able to travel back with a time machine, does that affect anything?

 

[manu_zarri]

Well we know that zeno erased all of future trunks' timeline but they were still able to travel back with a time machine, does that affect anything?

No, just PIS

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Mistranslation.

"Time doesn't really mean much"

A raw translation is a tad bit more accurate than an American localization.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Isn't the space between timelines is 5D? And zeno destroyed it along with the entire future trunks "hyper timeline".

No, just checked the Tiering System page. Also because is all still in the 4th dimension.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Zeno never destroyed the timeline, just the universes inside as Whis mentions Trunks could return back to it. In the manga Goku and Trunks actually do with the time machine.

 

[Greenshifter]

No, just checked the Tiering System page.

Check the speed page + DDM's arguments when defending Beerus and Champa's feat not being 3-A.

 

[KingTempest]

A raw translation is a tad bit more accurate than an American localization.

"A fan translation is a tad bit more accurate than the Official translation" is what I just read.

 

[manu_zarri]

No, just checked the Tiering System page. Also because is all still in the 4th dimension.

Wrong

 

[sanicspood]

hm

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wrong

Well, even if it, we don't assume anyone who destroys more universes with an omnidirectional blast to have 5D potency, unless now 2-C and above are 5D now

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Well, even if it, we don't assume anyone who destroys more universes with an omnidirectional blast to have 5D potency, unless now 2-C and above are 5D now

Well if you can destroy a 5D space then you're automatically > tier 2.