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Who WITHOUT plot manipulation can resist Medaka's The Hero?
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Azathoth :v
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Darth Nihilus won with the hero unrestricted
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Any character thats actually good.
Or any hero. Via verse equalization, every hero gains the same status.
Or any hero. Via verse equalization, every hero gains the same status.
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For real thought,Altair can defeat her.
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This.SchroKatze said:
Well, every main character.
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I don't know about resisting, but if you have any form of other passive ability that basically grants you the win, then you can counter it sufficiently. Gargoyle One gave the example of Darth Nihilus, with his passive mind hax. If you want a more meta senerio, in my interpritation, then follow these guidelines to countering The Hero without plot manipulation:
1) You need an ability that is passive or cannot be gotten around via interfearence from the user. Character needs to in no way impede the usage of the ability, if it is, then Character Induced Stupidity can be induced. An example that was mentioned was them deciding to spare the hero on a whim
2) The ability must be absolute enough that it would be essentially impossible for a writer to reasonably get around it in that context. This one is more broad, but to use the Nihilus example, Medaka is standing on a planet in range where she will be instantly and automatically mind hax'd into oblivion, and none of her hax provide sufficient counters to it. Or for a more heavy handed senerio: Medaka is standing next to the singularity of a black hole that negs all hax
3) You can't luck your way out of it
1) You need an ability that is passive or cannot be gotten around via interfearence from the user. Character needs to in no way impede the usage of the ability, if it is, then Character Induced Stupidity can be induced. An example that was mentioned was them deciding to spare the hero on a whim
2) The ability must be absolute enough that it would be essentially impossible for a writer to reasonably get around it in that context. This one is more broad, but to use the Nihilus example, Medaka is standing on a planet in range where she will be instantly and automatically mind hax'd into oblivion, and none of her hax provide sufficient counters to it. Or for a more heavy handed senerio: Medaka is standing next to the singularity of a black hole that negs all hax
3) You can't luck your way out of it
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saitama
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The Hero UltimateJuliusz2006 said:
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So... dumb question, but does that mean someone like, say, Jotaro could beat her 8-B version with The Hero unrestricted?Monarch Laciel said:
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But could he resist The Hero?
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Alright
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Except adult jotaro.
Maybe victini man .
Maybe victini man .
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Matt hates you right now.Sir Ovens said:
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Just want to correct a few things:
1. It doesn't have to be logical in any way. Even skills will fail to work "because she can't lose". That's literally the idea.
2. Plot manipulation does shit. Believe me, Ajimu tried and it didn't end well. Plot manipulation is not any good.
3. Not any MC can win, cus Medaka is literally the overkill version of every MC. The casual MC may lose, Medaka can't lose.
4. Not being passive is the 1st step to failure. Even strong hax won't do shit via being...well not passive. Let's say Hiiragi vs Medaka with The Hero. Hiiragi says "imma not steal shit from her she's a good girl" gets 1 shotted.
5. Passive hax will not work either. Cus the plot doesn't them to work. How do i put this. Passives in Medaka Box aren't always active...because the plot turns them off. And even 100% sure events won't happen...cus the plot wants them to. Medaka has permanent powers (same as Kumagawa) though the plot said "you have to be every cliche MC ever that loses his powers after too much time without fighting, so imma permanently null your powers", same thing didn't happen to Kumagawa cus the plot said "ur the main villain, you are supposed to always be on the loose". Stuff like that happens cus of The Hero.
The Hero is scary man.
1. It doesn't have to be logical in any way. Even skills will fail to work "because she can't lose". That's literally the idea.
2. Plot manipulation does shit. Believe me, Ajimu tried and it didn't end well. Plot manipulation is not any good.
3. Not any MC can win, cus Medaka is literally the overkill version of every MC. The casual MC may lose, Medaka can't lose.
4. Not being passive is the 1st step to failure. Even strong hax won't do shit via being...well not passive. Let's say Hiiragi vs Medaka with The Hero. Hiiragi says "imma not steal shit from her she's a good girl" gets 1 shotted.
5. Passive hax will not work either. Cus the plot doesn't them to work. How do i put this. Passives in Medaka Box aren't always active...because the plot turns them off. And even 100% sure events won't happen...cus the plot wants them to. Medaka has permanent powers (same as Kumagawa) though the plot said "you have to be every cliche MC ever that loses his powers after too much time without fighting, so imma permanently null your powers", same thing didn't happen to Kumagawa cus the plot said "ur the main villain, you are supposed to always be on the loose". Stuff like that happens cus of The Hero.
The Hero is scary man.
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The day we accepted a meta-fictional awareness and comment on plot armour as a legitamate Power was a dark time in the vs battle community.
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Monika is not passive. So no.Sir Ovens said:
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^^^Monarch Laciel said:
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^^^ as wellMonarch Laciel said:
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Tell me when she starts resisting the author.DMB 1 said:
Ajimu literally creates the plot in Medaka and gets ****** by it.
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Chowder takes Medaka's plot manipulation and tells her to shove it up her ass ovo.
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Maybe the Writer?
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No gas though, Chowder says she's not in the episode and would beat her. Doesn't matter if the hero always wins if the hero isn't in the episode.
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Nothing exists beyond passive plot. That's what Medaka Box says.
Think of it like this. A character is beyond the plot. He's beyond the plot manipulation of other charcters or the fictional plot. The writer can just say "nah" anytime he wants without explanation.
Every tier is above the previous one, caping out at tier 0. That tier 0 only applies to fiction doe. A writer is still beyond that and can do anything in the show with the only explanation of "i wanted it to happen". That's the idea behind Medaka's plot. Nothing is above the author and he doesn't need to explain stuff. He likes Medaka that's why he created her and made her the main character. He will not let any of his other creations (no matter how strong) kill her, because he created the show for her.
Example let's say me saying "medaka wins cus i say so" is an acceptable argument in vs battles. Now even if Medaka is up against Azathoth, TOAA, The Creator and Kami Tenchi at the same time and i can say "Medaka wins cus i say so", without explanation or anything, i can just say they all lost their omnipotence cus i said so, they can't do anything against it. That's also the reason Ajimu has like 2 or 3 stated omnipotences in verse and still jobs The Hero.
That's the legit version. That's certainly not the version we use here doe. Though idk where it caps out in the wiki.
So with this im out of this thread xD.
Think of it like this. A character is beyond the plot. He's beyond the plot manipulation of other charcters or the fictional plot. The writer can just say "nah" anytime he wants without explanation.
Every tier is above the previous one, caping out at tier 0. That tier 0 only applies to fiction doe. A writer is still beyond that and can do anything in the show with the only explanation of "i wanted it to happen". That's the idea behind Medaka's plot. Nothing is above the author and he doesn't need to explain stuff. He likes Medaka that's why he created her and made her the main character. He will not let any of his other creations (no matter how strong) kill her, because he created the show for her.
Example let's say me saying "medaka wins cus i say so" is an acceptable argument in vs battles. Now even if Medaka is up against Azathoth, TOAA, The Creator and Kami Tenchi at the same time and i can say "Medaka wins cus i say so", without explanation or anything, i can just say they all lost their omnipotence cus i said so, they can't do anything against it. That's also the reason Ajimu has like 2 or 3 stated omnipotences in verse and still jobs The Hero.
That's the legit version. That's certainly not the version we use here doe. Though idk where it caps out in the wiki.
So with this im out of this thread xD.
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