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Of course Arc is gonna comment as soon as he sees a disco stick.
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Whitebeard vs Obito
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OP goons can't go for 5 minutes without making a Whitebeard dick reference ong
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Are you dumb or stupid
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Whitebeard: 5 (@LordGinSama, @Kachon123, @Robo432343, @That_moron2, @MonkeyOfLife)
Obito: 3 (@XSOULOFCINDERX, @Patates, @speedster352)
Obito: 3 (@XSOULOFCINDERX, @Patates, @speedster352)
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I'm going to address all of Obito's wincons and why they aren't viable.
Standard Genjutsu: The fight starts with a 4km starting distance. Obito has no way to get eye contact with Whitebeard from that range.
IT: Whitebeard's fighting style is too oppressive for Obito to get the chance to do this. Close up he'd be getting turned into mush because of the quakes and from afar he would be getting knocked around the air because of the quakes.
Izanagi: Obito only has 2 uses.
TSO: They can be blocked by Whitebeard's vibrations or haki
Standard Genjutsu: The fight starts with a 4km starting distance. Obito has no way to get eye contact with Whitebeard from that range.
IT: Whitebeard's fighting style is too oppressive for Obito to get the chance to do this. Close up he'd be getting turned into mush because of the quakes and from afar he would be getting knocked around the air because of the quakes.
Izanagi: Obito only has 2 uses.
TSO: They can be blocked by Whitebeard's vibrations or haki
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speedster352
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Rinnegan still has Genjutsu and he would be unkillavle for at least a minute.
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Pretty sure if his Sharingan is gone then so is the Rinnegan
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TSB should be able to block the shockwaves they are blocking guys shockwave punch.
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I'm confused on what you're asking
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Vibrations ≠ Shockwaves
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A shockwave that isn't meant for durability negation and ya know, Isn't made of vibrations.
Also pretty sure the shockwave bypassed the shield given that we can literally see the shockwaves traveling past the TSO and past Madara who behind the TSO.
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Like the quakes he puts around his fist. Can those travel that far?
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Oh, yes they do.
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That's also like not a shockwave. It's blood vapor from the Gates + air pressure being sent out. That's a far cry from an actual shockwave or vibrations.
Might Guy also got around them with AoE air blasts. Granted he was faster than Madara but the difference here is that Whitebeard can literally nuke the entire environment around Madara.
Doesn't help that TSO's are not indestructible. Those ******* can shatter with enough impact, and given that Whitebeard has durability negation that should be quite easy.
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When have they traveled that far? Most I’ve seen them travel from my memory is when wb dented that giant metal wall and I don't think that 4km.
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Didn't erase the air pressure and red vapor here either.
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When a localized quake squeeze was able to violently shake an island across the entire planet. Now imagine Whitebeard actually sending his attacks at somebody.
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WB could send vibrations to the sea floor. He’ll be fine
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一時的に、五影をも超える力を得ることができるが、使用後に術者が必ず死に至る諸刃の剣でもある。 その実態は超速で空気を殴り、ぶつける空気砲だ。
It is a double-edged sword that can temporarily gain power beyond that of even the five kage, but will surely result in the death of the practitioner after use. In reality, it is an air cannon that punches and blasts the air at super-speed.
How in any way is this equivalent to vibrations?
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Again that's just pressurized air. No different than Zoro's air attacks, they aren't vibrations nor do they negate durability.
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you said it before me
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I don’t wanna be biased. Someone give me Ws and Ls for both sides
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Whitebeard:
All physical stats by a wide margin
Precognition
Large range advantage
Regeneration negation
Can block TSO with vibrations and Haki
Obito:
IT
Izanagi (can only use twice)
EE if he lands his TSO
Genjutsu if he can close the 4 km starting distance and get eye contact
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Taiwan peace Israel FRA
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Oh yeah forgot about that.he split marineford in half and destroyed the huge tsunami's
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A couple of things for these arguments before wincons,
Haki vs TSO
Buso is not negging TSO, the only real difference between Haki and the spiritual Aspect of Chakra that has been presented is that Haki is more spiritual in nature and that Chakra is not life force. For one, how spiritual Haki is compared to chakra doesnt matter for whether of not the TSO can erase Haki because all chakra based abilities are erased indiscriminately, TSO dont have some limitation where if a power is more attuned to your life force they can no longer negate the ability, the only exceptions are power drawn from the environment(Natural Energy) and Six Path Chakra. If Haki doesn't fulfill those requirements, there is no reason for them to be treated as some kind of exception. How SBA equalizes power systems supports this anyways.
Haki and Chakra are both Life force-based energies that tie to the soul, no semantical debate is going to change anything rn especially since that is how they are both accepted on site. If you don't like it on either side make a CRT to change things (although one is already in the works on the Naruto side so that's probably not needed.). but until then TSO will absolutely work on Haki.
Juubito Genjutsu:
a lot of times people will say something corny like GJ GG without even elaborating on which GJ or how they function, most people get the basic ones but there's one that seems to be getting kinda hand waived, Izanagi.
- Izanagi is basically a get-out-of-jail-free card jutsu that manipulates reality to negate things that are disadvantageous to the user. Obito's version of this lasts upwards of 5 minutes as when he fought Konan, she dropped 600 billion explosions on his head for 10 consecutive minutes knowing that Kamui only lasts for 5 minutes, yet Obito used Izanagi to negate that anyways.
this means that if Obito uses Izanagi he can ignore death and injury for 5 whole minutes.
Range
Saying that it would be hard for Obito to get to WB because of quakes that are thousands of KMs ignores that even with speed equalized they are both either Sub Rel or FTL+, and crossing a couple thousand KM for either speed is a thing of seconds.
Haki vs TSO
Buso is not negging TSO, the only real difference between Haki and the spiritual Aspect of Chakra that has been presented is that Haki is more spiritual in nature and that Chakra is not life force. For one, how spiritual Haki is compared to chakra doesnt matter for whether of not the TSO can erase Haki because all chakra based abilities are erased indiscriminately, TSO dont have some limitation where if a power is more attuned to your life force they can no longer negate the ability, the only exceptions are power drawn from the environment(Natural Energy) and Six Path Chakra. If Haki doesn't fulfill those requirements, there is no reason for them to be treated as some kind of exception. How SBA equalizes power systems supports this anyways.
Haki and Chakra are both Life force-based energies that tie to the soul, no semantical debate is going to change anything rn especially since that is how they are both accepted on site. If you don't like it on either side make a CRT to change things (although one is already in the works on the Naruto side so that's probably not needed.). but until then TSO will absolutely work on Haki.
Juubito Genjutsu:
a lot of times people will say something corny like GJ GG without even elaborating on which GJ or how they function, most people get the basic ones but there's one that seems to be getting kinda hand waived, Izanagi.
- Izanagi is basically a get-out-of-jail-free card jutsu that manipulates reality to negate things that are disadvantageous to the user. Obito's version of this lasts upwards of 5 minutes as when he fought Konan, she dropped 600 billion explosions on his head for 10 consecutive minutes knowing that Kamui only lasts for 5 minutes, yet Obito used Izanagi to negate that anyways.
this means that if Obito uses Izanagi he can ignore death and injury for 5 whole minutes.
Range
Saying that it would be hard for Obito to get to WB because of quakes that are thousands of KMs ignores that even with speed equalized they are both either Sub Rel or FTL+, and crossing a couple thousand KM for either speed is a thing of seconds.
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Not really the argument tbh. Moreso the interaction between Vibrations and TSO. Pretty sure the Haki argument was barely mentioned outside of Kachon.
As for the speed thing, iirc attack speed isn't equalized or something like that so Whitebeard's quakes would be traveling faster than what Obito is capable of traveling.
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Attack speed is equalized
“The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight etc”
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