Obito vs Yuta

[Arkenis]

Inumaki killed a curse that was comparable to/stronger than him with cursed speech

That isn't the die command. And Inumaki was greatly harmed trying to hurt that curse just before. The point here isn't if he can kill Obito with other commands, its the die one. But we can talk about other commands if you think those will work, I don't see them being in character is all.

His entire body doesn't transport to the Kamui dimension at all times, only the body parts that would be hit by an incoming attack are transported. If Kamui doesn't recognized cursed speech as an attack, then it'd work.

Ik, I said his head could be transported and that'll avoid the sound since they need to get the ears. Also while we're on this topic, the sharingan should be able to see the sound traveling and Obito could react by going intang. He could see Yuta activate the cs on his face and figure he's about use some sound base attack since he'd see him yelling. Also yeah since it's infused with ce it should be viewed as an attack.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Inumaki killed a curse that was comparable to/stronger than him with cursed speech

His entire body doesn't transport to the Kamui dimension at all times, only the body parts that would be hit by an incoming attack are transported. If Kamui doesn't recognized cursed speech as an attack, then it'd work.

Didn’t the curse spirits just explode from the inside out and not just outright die?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

You're saying that if Obito already has Kamui on, that he would be somewhat fine. I'm saying that there would need to be a reason for Kamui to be on his entire body rather than just parts for him to not get ****** by JL

I mean Kamui unconsciously phases any body part that would be hit by an attack so he should be fine

Well yes but that was by "Get Crushed"… not just by "Die"

That isn't the die command.

Sure ig, although I'm not sure it would make too big a difference

And Inumaki was greatly harmed trying to hurt that curse just before. The point here isn't if he can kill Obito with other commands, its the die one. But we can talk about other commands if you think those will work, I don't see them being in character is all.

I don't see why not

Ik, I said his head could be transported and that'll avoid the sound since they need to get the ears.

Theoretically sure, I'm just not sure it would activate

Also while we're on this topic, the sharingan should be able to see the sound traveling and Obito could react by going intang. He could see Yuta activate the cs on his face and figure he's about use some sound base attack since he'd see him yelling. Also yeah since it's infused with ce it should be viewed as an attack.

Only if he specifically activates the chakra vision, it's not passively active when he has the Sharingan on. Although if he does turn it on since Yuta's saying a command in what seems like a meaningful way, fair enough. Yuta could use it while Obito's attention is focused elsewhere though, like he did against the much more skilled (and knowledgeable on jujutsu) Sukuna.

Didn’t the curse spirits just explode from the inside out and not just outright die?

It was a command that led to death

 

[ShionAH]

Voting Luta, he has way too many advantages to lose

 

[Arkenis]

I don't see why not

Yuta's never done them at all, He also doesn't use cursed speech more than once during fights, likely because he doesn't wanna push himself like Inumaki does.

Yuta could use it while Obito's attention is focused elsewhere though, like he did against the much more skilled (and knowledgeable on jujutsu) Sukuna.

Wouldn't say more skilled, but knowledgeable on sorcery sure. Cursed Speech is just an impossible thing to counter since most the cast can't react fast enough or are distracted like Sukuna. This was also two armed Sukuna so not too good an example. What would even distract Obito? Rika would phase through every time she tries hitting I'd say and that'll just leave him more aware than distracted.

 

[ShionAH]

What if Yuta tricks Obito by just screaming "DIE!" "GET CRUSHED!" randomly like a maniac and THEN activating Cursed Speech

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

It was a command that led to death

i see, I thought its death manipulation

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Yuta's never done them at all,

I mean sure, but that sorta seems like an argument from ignorance since he certainly has the strength to do it if Inumaki can and would have knowledge from him as well.

He also doesn't use cursed speech more than once during fights, likely because he doesn't wanna push himself like Inumaki does.

After the surprise factor is gone it's much easier to deal with by blocking it with CE around the ears. The amount of blowback depends on the strength of the enemy so the effect should be quite small using it on someone more than 10x weaker (Inumaki blew up a whole swarm of low level cursed spirits with just a sore throat to show for it).

Wouldn't say more skilled, but knowledgeable on sorcery sure. Cursed Speech is just an impossible thing to counter since most the cast can't react fast enough or are distracted like Sukuna.

And a similar problem applies here

This was also two armed Sukuna so not too good an example.

Uh, not really? It's not like Obito has more than two arms.

What would even distract Obito? Rika would phase through every time she tries hitting I'd say and that'll just leave him more aware than distracted.

It'll distract him if he's trying to fight her, or is paying attention to her so he knows when to phase. There's also the possibility of Yuta having other things distracting him like Dhruv's shikigami circling him or Jacob's Ladder blinding him (even if it doesn't hit).

i see, I thought its death manipulation

I mean, directly saying "Die" might be, it's kinda unclear

 

[Arkenis]

I mean sure, but that sorta seems like an argument from ignorance since he certainly has the strength to do it if Inumaki can and would have knowledge from him as well.

It's not, I'm just getting at the fact its not in character for him to crush people with cs.

After the surprise factor is gone it's much easier to deal with by blocking it with CE around the ears. The amount of blowback depends on the strength of the enemy so the effect should be quite small using it on someone more than 10x weaker (Inumaki blew up a whole swarm of low level cursed spirits with just a sore throat to show for it).

The level of difficulty matters for the command, its not just strength. I don't disagree either, Obito would get ****** up by it if Yuta says get crushed.

Uh, not really? It's not like Obito has more than two arms.

I'm saying the example isn't good because Sukuna only got distracted by three opponents and had his extra arms occupied. Obito's gonna be fighting one opponent here.

It'll distract him if he's trying to fight her, or is paying attention to her so he knows when to phase. There's also the possibility of Yuta having other things distracting him like Dhruv's shikigami circling him or Jacob's Ladder blinding him (even if it doesn't hit).

Obito probably can't see her and kamui's automatic, so Rika won't be able to hit him. The shikigami won't do anything with kamui intang automatic.

 

[Arcker123]

This is Obito from the mist fight right?

 

[Arkenis]

This is Obito from the mist fight right?

Yea. I’d say he’s not angry here though so he can operate better

 

[Mommyleona]

leaning towards Yuta

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It's not, I'm just getting at the fact its not in character for him to crush people with cs.

I don't think calling a move out of character from a rather limited sample of examples is very cash money. "Don't move" and "Die" were just more appropriate/helpful for the situations where Yuta used cursed speech. Even a child with no combat experience would use cursed speech in versatile ways appropriate to the situation if they had it, letalone a tactically gifted fighter with genius aptitude for jujutsu.

The level of difficulty matters for the command, its not just strength.

Sure, but strength plays a major role. Inumaki had more trouble telling Hanami to not move than in killing low level cursed spirits.

I don't disagree either, Obito would get ****** up by it if Yuta says get crushed.

I'm saying the example isn't good because Sukuna only got distracted by three opponents and had his extra arms occupied.

Rika was nowhere near them atp, it was just Cleaving Yuji that distracted him enough for Yuta to catch him

Obito's gonna be fighting one opponent here.

Two

Obito probably can't see her and kamui's automatic, so Rika won't be able to hit him. The shikigami won't do anything with kamui intang automatic.

Shouldn't he be able to in verse equalization? Also even if the shikigami don't do anything, their flying around him can take his attention for a moment which would be enough.

 

[Arkenis]

I don't think calling a move out of character from a rather limited sample of examples is very cash money. "Don't move" and "Die" were just more appropriate/helpful for the situations where Yuta used cursed speech. Even a child with no combat experience would use cursed speech in versatile ways appropriate to the situation if they had it, letalone a tactically gifted fighter with genius aptitude for jujutsu.

Yuta's not the type to kill for no reason. Each time he's killed its in pursuit of something greater, that isn't present here. He'll opt for stop or don't move only.

Sure, but strength plays a major role. Inumaki had more trouble telling Hanami to not move than in killing low level cursed spirits.

Because it's harder to stop Hanami than exploding the curses.

Rika was nowhere near them atp, it was just Cleaving Yuji that distracted him enough for Yuta to catch him

She was involved from the start, Rika threw Yuji.

Two

He can't see Rika and she's gonna phase through him so it's really just Yuta. He can always just ignore Rika too, we see him do it against the anbu.

Shouldn't he be able to in verse equalization? Also even if the shikigami don't do anything, their flying around him can take his attention for a moment which would be enough.

I don't agree its comparable enough to equalize but if we are then sure he can see her. He'd realize they don't do anything from his precog and ignore them.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Feeling like yuta got this FRA

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I mean, directly saying "Die" might be, it's kinda unclear

Not really, death manipulation is when all biological stop or shown to just die like withering away. Yuta’s case is that he said die and they just spontaneously exploded.