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Two Words: Occam's RazorPridedWaif said:
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Whis vs Ahri
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Saitama is hyped up by people to be omni. Yet the entire show itself debunks and contradicts that. That's a bad example. I'd rather you used Bayonetta rather as an example than One Punch.
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We dont use omniverse as a term.PridedWaif said:
I think Weekly makes more sense.
The reasoning with the least amounts of leaps of logic is correct.
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I never said omniverse...
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I said omni. Not omniverse. Don't know where you got that assumption and notion from. It clearly says "Omni."
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@Kink I believe he meant omnipotent, which we also dont use here
Either way, the faulty votes for whis need to be accounted for and removed
Either way, the faulty votes for whis need to be accounted for and removed
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@Waif
Guess I misread it, my bad.
Guess I misread it, my bad.
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To sum it up: A lot of arguing on whether or not Ultra Instinct can counter Empathic and Mind Manipulation. With a lot of nitpicking at other things (Game Mechanics, Range, etc.)Therefir said:
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Yup, sounds about right.TheC2 said:
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You can't say life absorption works on literally everyone and her mind hax would work.
How can her mind hax work on Whis? He doesn't use his mind to even fight. Secondly we havn't seen him be exposed to Mind rape. Whether he can resistant or not we haven't seen it.
Saying her life absorption works on everyone is reaching. Who all have she used it on that's superior to her and did they even have resistance?
How can her mind hax work on Whis? He doesn't use his mind to even fight. Secondly we havn't seen him be exposed to Mind rape. Whether he can resistant or not we haven't seen it.
Saying her life absorption works on everyone is reaching. Who all have she used it on that's superior to her and did they even have resistance?
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@Prided If he hasnt shown a resistnce to it then you cant just randomly say he can. And it's been discussed time and time again that UI only resists Empathic Manipulation, not mind manipulation.
Life force absorption is a durability negating move, and Whis has no resistance to it
Life force absorption is a durability negating move, and Whis has no resistance to it
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Again, Occam's Razor.PridedWaif said:
Also, we go by what is shown obviously and if he has no shown resistance, he shouldnt be resistant.
Also, yeah, but you can also break someone's mind to not do anything and even if you dont use your mind to fight, you would still be controlled by someone who can..well, control your minds.
And yes, again. Occams Razor.
Otherwise, it is a fallacy.
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I said i believe it wouldn't work. Never said it wouldn't though. Again, how can you say he has no resistance to the both of them when it hasn't even been shown. You're making an assumption just like everyone else. Which makes this a useless debate. You can't say something work if we haven't seen him even do anything.WeeklyBattles said:
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Alright then.
Ahri is resistant to Time travel so that won't help Whis. and she can negate portals so warping won't help Whis either.
Alright then.
Ahri is resistant to Time travel so that won't help Whis. and she can negate portals so warping won't help Whis either.
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I also forgot to mention via the first start her will is so bright she can't be BFR'd
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@Prided It is an assumption to say that Whis can resist something he has never shown the ability to resist, not the other way around.
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Well I havent seen Ahri become immune to time travel, so I guess she must be immune to time travel.PridedWaif said:
Just because you haven't 'seen' it, doesnt mean a resistance is 'there'.
This logic can be applied to literally every fictional character ever.
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Honestly whis could just transmute her to sand by this logic then. She doesn't have any resistance to transmutation even if she did, not to this level.Aizenishere said:
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Edit: wasn't it discussed instinctive reaction has some resistent to mind manipulation due to how the mind won't be it's primary way of moving anymore?
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Yet again I never tried to debate that it wouldn't work based off my personal belief, which you are trying to say lol.KinkiestSins said:
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@Prided WeeklyBattles@Prided It is an assumption to say that Whis can resist something he has never shown the ability to resist, not the other way around. This is all. So yes Soul manipulation and mind fuckery will work on him until he shows us otherwise.
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Not only that but she don't have resistance to being BFR'd either. Which Whis could do also.
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Then why are you arguing for Whis? Personal Belief is fine, but to put it bluntly it is not an argument.
Plus, transmutation requires activation.
Mind hax requires a thought.
I am pretty sure mind hax will be more likely to happen first.
Then why are you arguing for Whis? Personal Belief is fine, but to put it bluntly it is not an argument.
Plus, transmutation requires activation.
Mind hax requires a thought.
I am pretty sure mind hax will be more likely to happen first.
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Which is a fallacy in itself. Yet again I never tried arguing my own personal belief.. for like the third time lol.Aizenishere said:
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Whis does not have BFR on his profile.PridedWaif said:
Plus, Ahri has universal flight and rang.e
Yeah, pretty sure that doesn't work either.
Unless it is too another dimension which even then.
Mind hax happens first, then soul hax.
His route is..
he flys and bfrs her? Okay halfway during the journey, ahri steals his soul.
It is far from instant.
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PridedWaif said:
You sorely misunderstand man.. no one ever said Whis didn't have ways of getting rid of Ahri. But IC she will mind hax him and she gets that off faster than anything he can pull. regardless of what he may do.
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@Prided By the logic youre using, none of Whis' hax would work on Ahri because while she hasnt shown to be able to resist them yet, she hasnt shown that she CANT resist them either.
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What's a fallacy? Saying it'll work? It's worked on other Low 2-Cs and Whis doesn't have resistance to it as things stand. How's that a fallacy?
What's a fallacy? Saying it'll work? It's worked on other Low 2-Cs and Whis doesn't have resistance to it as things stand. How's that a fallacy?
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@Ditty how'd the game go? Your team win?
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Why are you still attacking the statement. Lol I never tried arguing it, I was just saying my persoanl opinon which was irrelevant because I started debating on what can work and can't. Also when didKinkiestSins said:
A speed of a thought is not faster than someone moving instinctively passed MFTL without even using thought. Transmuting and reducing her to sand would be just the requirment of him touching her.
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Speed of a thought is 156-270 mph. That's slow as hell.
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Speed is equalized.PridedWaif said:
And starting from a few meters away, he flys in and she mind breaks him.
Sounds pretty clear cut to me.
A thought requires no 'activation'
Also, same thing can be said for her soul hax, which she can also, by your logic, touch him and soul hax him to death.
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@Prided Thats the speed of thought for a normal human, not someone capable of moving thousands of times faster than the speed of light
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The only thing that Ultra Instinct does is make it so he doesn't have to think about dodging, attacking and counter attacking. This leaves Whis free to multitask, focusing on other things or long term strategy while his body runs on autopilot.TISSG7Redgrave said:
Because of this illusions don't work on him as his body will pick up the real threat by instinct alone and respond accordingly. However, his mind is still working and there. It's not taken a backseat or shielded itself, he just doesn't have to focus it on actually doing the movements of fighting.
Nothing stops Mind Hax from making Whis kill himself.
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@Aizen yeah we destroyed the other team.
I think something that would help for battles like these, especially involving League of Legends characters, is to link their lore to their pages so that readers can have an understanding of their powers. People like me just play the game so I had no idea what Ahri was capable of until I got pounded with facts lmao, I only went off of what was on her profile and what I had seen in game. I think most of the votes for Whis have been debunked already.
I think something that would help for battles like these, especially involving League of Legends characters, is to link their lore to their pages so that readers can have an understanding of their powers. People like me just play the game so I had no idea what Ahri was capable of until I got pounded with facts lmao, I only went off of what was on her profile and what I had seen in game. I think most of the votes for Whis have been debunked already.
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First off I asked from the beginning has she done it to other low 2-Cs. I did'nt get an asnwer.Aizenishere said:
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