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I wonder, Hanyuu reaching Eua in higher layer from Sotsu doesn't count as an anti-feat for abl 2 layers? (Anti-feat for Anime only)
 
Hanyuu is a fragment of Eua that developed its own identity.

And in some stories of Higurashi Mei Hanyuu is nothing but a piece controlled by Eua, similar to Umineko's Episode 6 Battler talking to himself when talking with piece Beato as a Game Master.

So it's not really contradictory
 
Eua/Bern Cat box should be considered as a part of territory or not?
I just wonder how abl in 1-A of Voyager witches should be started? At least abl 6?
 
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I'm thinking about how weird of the state of Golden Truth that made the character is irrelevant to the Red Truth when it only grants Immortality type 8 because Red Truth is the counterpart of reality as an axiom so if character who got resurrected by Ange does exists, Bern shouldn't be able to use the Red which is used to deny the Meta-form directly anymore. This made me think that their form shouldn't exist in regular form of reality (counterpart of the Red) but exist in the different form of reality (counterpart of the gold) as Ac4 with Immunity to all abilities from the Red or maybe Ac5 as a character who doesn't exist in regular reality

What do you think?
 
"As you get closer to the world of gods, the concept of time becomes increasingly vague. Six years can become a thousand, and a thousand years can be nothing more than a quick nap. One can fit an eternity long enough to be deserving of the title 'one hundred year old witch' in a mere two weeks..."

"...However, though the concept of time does not exist in the world of gods, who can revive whenever they want, time shoots by like an arrow in the human world, and it is not so easy there..."
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I wonder about this.
The concept of time in these context is the concept of time in term of reality (1) or it's just time perception (2)?

However
1. If the time in the meta world really passed for 1,000 years but time in the human world has only passed for 6 years so it should be the 1st one?
2. if yes, i'm thinking if the concept of time is something which can't be zero but time is only vague in higher layer. It means the concept of time that encompasses the witch domain can't be zero in higher layer even higher than infinity.

but the concept of time becomes literally nothing (not vague) in the Creator domain so this can prove that a Creator is above 1-A+ of all possible layers within the witch domain?
 
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Needless to say, regardless of whether it is vague or not, there is absolutely no reason for a "possibly" to be there, considering that the domain of the creators is very explicitly defined as the final endpoint of the entire cosmology, and is only reached once an entity abandons all of the existential limits and restrictions which constrain their existence to a lower plane. In the context of the series, the realm itself is also beyond any notions of hierarchies, since layers of existence only exist as consequences of the number of limitations that an entity has imposed upon themselves. Given all of that, a solid 0 is more than justified.
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Hm. This one's actually pretty straightforward. Introduction So, currently, both Featherine's Study and the City of Books are rated at 1-B for being the highest showcased realms in the series, and likewise transcending the entire story of Umineko, with the latter in particular containing a...
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I realized about Ultima's explanation about Creator stuff. This explanation has already debunked? If not, this can be used for the new system?
 
How many keys Featherine should have now?
2? - City of Books, True form
or 3? - City of books, Highest Witch, An actor of both Featherine and Ikuko (True form)
 
I also remembered when I saw a guy complaining that Umineko was basically so broken it was unfair to use the verse in fights. He was talking about Dlanor's Red Key (when I read what this thing did back then I also though it was the most broken thing imaginable).
 
I can't think about the final result of cosmology when we are waiting for staff evaluation but I wanna talk about 1-A+ of Witch domain (if I assume that if Creator is High 1-A and Witch domain is 1-A+ infinite layer)
But if 1-A+ is just an infinity (Aleph-0) is quite strange for me.

That is to say: If there is a hierarchy of 1-A layers, each of which operates within the same framework, with the same "algorithm" dictating the difference between them
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Witch hierarchy is 1-A layer with lower restrictions and concept of time increases more vague when witch is closer to a Creator as the Higher of 1-A layer so lower restrictions and concept of time increases more vague are an algorithm between R>F layer as 1-A framework so no matter how high of 1-A layer, any witch is still limited by the same algorithm (having a restriction and limited by the concept of time)

It's like restrictions are infinitely lower to 0 with infinite-th layers but on ontological state, infinitely lower to 0 isn't 0 and there is higher infinity as a gap between infinitely lower to 0 and 0 as 1-A higher layers here. Even absolute infinity closer is impossible to reach 0
(It's like I say that 4D is the closet of infinitely closer to 0 when compared with low 1-A while 4D is literal 0 for 1-A so there is no higher dimension than Low 1-A when 4D the closest to 0)


Conclusion: if Witch domain is 1-A+, it shouldn't be only 1-A+ infinite layers (Aleph-0) but 1-A+ All possible layers of extension

Also, Featherine is in the highest layer within 1-A Framework with these reasons
1. There is no higher layer than her (except High 1-A Creator)
2. She has the lowest restrictions and only a restriction left that can't be lower anymore so there is no gap between infinitely closer to 0 and 0 anymore as the closet to 0



Counterargument
1. "Lambda said that witch domain is just only infinite so it's aleph-0"

Ans. Lambda said about that in term of endlessness, not quantity in math so infinite isn't limited only at Aleph-0 and in VSBW, infinity can by any type of infinity with supporting context and Aleph-0 is just the minimum for using infinity

2. Higher infinity here is NLF
Featherine is the strongest witch and power scaling of witch is directly refers to the hierarchy so

(1) She is in the highest layer that means "none of 1-A layer higher than her"
(2) As the highest witch, she has "the lowest restrictions as the closet to zero restriction"
(3) Infinity closer to zero as an opposite of infinity (aleph-1) isn't the lowest/closet to zero that contradicts with (2)


P.S. I assume that we will put 1-A+ part into somewhere in the cosmology so I just wanna discuss this first before the final CRT and in fact, we need to explain this in old standard for Creator to achieve 1-A
 
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I'm thinking about tier 0 Creator

Entities who are completely transcendent over any and all forms of hierarchical extension. More specifically: They not only encompass the collection of all possible "qualities" represented by High 1-A+, but also exceed it utterly, existing beyond any and all distinctions between ontologies and any division between objects. They are beyond differentiation, changeless, indivisible, ineffable, self-sufficient and completely unsurpassable.
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The point what I want to discuss here is Tier 0 can have many entities as long as all entities are "the same entity" as oneness that's still beyond differentiation and indivisible

After I read counterargument but I think they can be explained with these for becoming 0

There are many Creators so it's not oneness
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Since becoming Creator is losing self/will/individual/meaning that represents differentiation and divisible makes all of them become the same character as an only one character.

For example
Featherine => A Creator
Maria => A Creator
Battler => A Creator
Since losing individual means they're the same as "a Creator", and Creator(s) isn't literal Creators as plural
(it's like having multiple 0 is no different from one 0)

A character can become a Creator so it's not tier 0
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Everything in WTC are destined by an Original Creator who created Fate/Plot/Reality so becoming Creator or non-Creator can happen because a Creator wants them to happen
Also, since everything and restrictions was created by a Creator who have no restrictions so becoming a Creator is just returning to the original state without restrictions
 
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I think now we have three domain in the cosmology and each entity is completely different
Witch ≠ Writer (Third domain) ≠ Creator
However, I realized something about this

R07: In the Ep6 Tips it was mentioned that Featherine "repeats life and death" because when Featherine herself was a piece, she came to know the truth that they themselves were characters being written by someone else, and died because she realized what she believed to be free will was something being written by someone else. But she became a writer herself and returned. And by audaciously writing herself inside her own work, she gained true free will.
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This can explain that entity in the third domain have true free will but entity in the Witch domain, free will is limited or don't have "true free will".

A witch is someone who has begun to realize that they are someone else's creation, and yet they are in a position to view different creations, and the higher they go, the closer they get to the position of the author, and when they reach the realm of the author, they are finished.
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This can explain that higher layer of 1-A = closer to the third domain and "free will" will be algorithm for 1-A framework here so the Third domain can be High 1-A due to this

and then "restrictions" will be higher algorithm that encompasses High 1-A layer instead for closer the Creator and Featherine who is the closest (highest layer) to the Creator can be High 1-A above baseline all possible layers too

(Not sure it's 100% accurate or not but....)
 
Outerverse level (Manifested in the City of Books, one of the highest realm in the World of Witches, above the majority of the infinite layers of existence leading to the Creator Domain, containing countless books and stories, a single one of which could record all of Umineko.......)
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You guys forgot to remove this?
 
Btw, the 1-A for Featherine and Maria's Creator key is a placeholder for now until I make a thread about that.
 
Nekobako said:
Is this a wordplay or something?
So higher layer in the world of witches than city of books aren't considered as a realm?
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Oh, I think I understand the problem now. It should be "realms", not "realm. Or maybe just layer would have worked better.

Edit: Only a few profiles had that typo, so I fixed them.
 
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Ovy7 said:
Oh, I think I understand the problem now. It should be "realms", not "realm. Or maybe just layer would have worked better.

Edit: Only a few profiles had that typo, so I fixed them.
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Since CoB isn't even the highest realm in the world of witches so I still don't get what is the difference here but nevermind, I don't care about the profile explanation much and we all know about it, I asked just because my friend is confused about it.
 
Nekobako said:
Since CoB isn't even the highest realm in the world of witches so I still don't get what is the difference here
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You are legit confusing me a lot here. . . Mind explaining again the problem?
 
Ovy7 said:
You are legit confusing me a lot here. . . Mind explaining again the problem?
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I'm confused what's the meaning of "the highest realm in the world of witches" here when the city of books isn't the highest layer of the world of witches

you don't consider higher layer (which can be described in various word such as domain/plane/place) as a higher realm?
 
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It doesn't say the highest, but one of the highest, though. I.e., it is at the, let's say, "near-end" of said domain.
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If A and B are the tallest human in the world and I'm one of them
It means I'm the tallest human in the world too and neither shorter nor higher than them so A, B, and me has the same height as the tallest human.

or tier 0 entity are the strongest characters and I'm one of the strongest characters, it means I'm tier 0

This is my understanding of "one of the -est"

So the highest realm refers to the realm(s) at the highest layer in the witch domain and City of books is one of them.
This is what I'm confused
 
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Nekobako said:
If A and B are the tallest human in the world and I'm one of them
It means I'm the tallest human in the world too and neither shorter nor higher than them so A, B, and me has the same height as the tallest human1

This is my understanding of "one of the -est"

So the highest realm refers to the realm(s) at the highest layer in the witch domain and City of books is one of them.
This is what I'm confused
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If A's height is 3m, B's height is 2.8m and besides them all other letters have a height <=2.7m, you can be B, be one of the tallest in the world yet be shorter than A.

This is the same as your question of the Senate being formed by the highest-level witches. Being part of the something-est, doesn't mean you are immediatly the best among them too.

Other example: I can be one of the highest marks in my class, doesn't mean there can't be someone with a higher mark than mine. That is the reason I am one of the highest, not the highest
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
If A's height is 3m, B's height is 2.8m and besides them all other letters have a height <=2.7m, you can be B, be one of the tallest in the world yet be shorter than A.

This is the same as your question of the Senate being formed by the highest-level witches. Being part of the something-est, doesn't mean you are immediatly the best among them too.

Other example: I can be one of the highest marks in my class, doesn't mean there can't be someone with a higher mark than mine. That is the reason I am one of the highest, not the highest
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So Your explanation is like
"Top 10 strongest anime characters" but it doesn't mean they're equal or inconclusive in match-up

It's weird when I say that
I'm the strongest human (with Red) but there is a human who is stronger than me in somewhere instead of being one of the strongest lol
 
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If you say "I'm the strongest Human" there can't be someone stronger than you. If you say "I'm one of the strongest humans", there can. There the difference

I think the best way I could explain it is: If you say you are the best at something, it means there isn't anyone better at it than you. If you say that you are one of the best at something, it means that everyone but maybe a small amount of people is worse than you at it.
 
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