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What is an additional or the property that the characters will get from merging with Oblivion other than NEP?
such as Omnipresent speed, erasure existence (most powerful) or something like that

P.S. I just realized that if it will be High 1-A+ type 2 so they are irrelevant then.
 
I just realized the difference of these scenes that Lambda in VN was resurrected by Ange and moved by Featherine while Lambda in manga was resurrected (rewrote) and moved by Featherine then this would make the different scaling?

Possible things that I think rn:
  • Lambdadelta will have the same state as the rest of the family (before the travel)
  • Ange can do that to Lambda the same that she did to Beato
  • Golden Truth can ignore what Featherine wrote by resurrect Lambda which means Golden Truth has the same (or higher) authority as her plot manipulation.
 
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Manga is as canon as the VN. So, Lambda's City of Books key should be protected by Ange's Endless Nine too, yeah.

But in no world Ange's Resurrection Magic should be on the level of Featherine's Plot Manipulation. Featherine is always considered to be above the rest of the cast, writing and finishing the tale of Umineko in Episode 8, and being considered the supreme Game Master, an unmatched existence in Last Note. Additionally Piece, who just got a fraction of Featherine's power, could kill Witch of Resurrection Ange alongside Beatrice and Battler if she ever felt like it.

Imo it'd be more plausible that what happened in the manga: Featherine deciding that Lambdadelta shall revive (but, instead of rewriting the end of her dying in their battle, just adding to the plot that Ange resurrected her) happened in the VN too.

Also, interestingly enough, even though Ange could resurrect Beatrice and Battler completely fine despite the former being reduced to just a heart by Erika and the latter being killed by truths, she couldn't fix Lambdadelta's body being dismembered by Featherine's power, with Lambdadelta needing Bernkastel sewing her arms, legs and head back to her body.
 
Nekobako said:
I just realized the difference of these scenes that Lambda in VN was resurrected by Ange and moved by Featherine while Lambda in manga was resurrected (rewrote) and moved by Featherine then this would make the different scaling?

Possible things that I think rn:
  • Lambdadelta will have the same state as the rest of the family (before the travel)
  • Ange can do that to Lambda the same that she did to Beato
  • Golden Truth can ignore what Featherine wrote by resurrect Lambda which means Golden Truth has the same (or higher) authority as her plot manipulation.
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I don't see how it makes different scaling at all. The manga didn't say that she couldn't revive Lambda.
And frankly, both scenes basically make it ambiguous whether Ange could resurrect her.. The VN scene kind of shows she has no idea she could do it, and Beatrice dialouge could just mean to make her relax
 
PristineWater said:
I don't see how it makes different scaling at all. The manga didn't say that she couldn't revive Lambda.
And frankly, both scenes basically make it ambiguous whether Ange could resurrect her.. The VN scene kind of shows she has no idea she could do it, and Beatrice dialouge could just mean to make her relax
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Fair enough
 
PristineWater said:
And frankly, both scenes basically make it ambiguous whether Ange could resurrect her.. The VN scene kind of shows she has no idea she could do it, and Beatrice dialouge could just mean to make her relax
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You're forgetting Featherine also claimed Ange could revive Lambdadelta, though. Which gives more weight to the claim Lambda is protected by Ange's truth on her CoB key.
 
I realized the context that Bern was born from nothingness by having mind, thought, will, and individuality. However, Kanon, Shannon, Yasutrice are the same person in Human world but they are complete separate being in Meta-world which means individuality has literal meaning that defines the distinction or separate existence????
 
Nekobako said:
I realized the context that Bern was born from nothingness by having mind, thought, will, and individuality. However, Kanon, Shannon, Yasutrice are the same person in Human world but they are complete separate being in Meta-world which means individuality has literal meaning that defines the distinction or separate existence????
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Yeah, individuality is like a metaphysical concept within the verse
 
Nekobako said:
I realized the context that Bern was born from nothingness by having mind, thought, will, and individuality. However, Kanon, Shannon, Yasutrice are the same person in Human world but they are complete separate being in Meta-world which means individuality has literal meaning that defines the distinction or separate existence????
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I genuinely don't understand your question.
 
ExcelsisBerny said:
I genuinely don't understand your question.
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I'm questioning about how the story use the word individuality and how deep of it.

Because it can be this meaning for metaphysic (from wiki)
An individual is one that exists as a distinct entity. Individuality (or self-hood) is the state or quality of living as an individual; particularly (in the case of humans) as a person unique from other people and possessing one's own needs or goals, rights and responsibilities.
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which is something that created "separate existence" so I think it's relevant to explain the Creator who lack individuality since it's the first thing that witches have when they born but it doesn't necessary to be that meaning so my question above.
 
Nekobako said:
I'm questioning about how the story use the word individuality and how deep of it.

Because it can be this meaning for metaphysic (from wiki)

which is something that created "separate existence" so I think it's relevant to explain the Creator who lack individuality since it's the first thing that witches have when they born but it doesn't necessary to be that meaning so my question above.
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Yeah, so what's the problem?
 
Nekobako said:
I'm asking about its meaning and usage in the story
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Individuality is being used in the metaphysical sense of the word. It’s not merely metaphorical, because meta-entities, in order to self-determine within the Sea, need a sense of self or a role.

Shannon and Kanon are fabrications in the human world, but in the meta-world they are separate identities. In the meta-world, every theory takes form.
 
Nekobako said:
Found this hidden gem from reddit
quotes.auaurora.moe

Umineko Quote Search

Search through the words of witches, humans, and furniture from Umineko no Naku Koro ni. When the seagulls cry, none shall remain.
quotes.auaurora.moe quotes.auaurora.moe
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Hey! I made this site. glad you like it. was told someone here used it, although i am now to this wiki and don't know what this is all about, but i hope it can help
 
Nekobako said:
I was almost confused before I saw her eyeliner
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Subtle differences yeh, Smaller memory device, fringe is higher, dress is different, but yea, other than that same. Guess sending someone to the sea of fragments to look like her was just for the giggles lmao
 
FeatherineFAA said:
Subtle differences yeh, Smaller memory device, fringe is higher, dress is different, but yea, other than that same. Guess sending someone to the sea of fragments to look like her was just for the giggles lmao
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Yeah, her dress also but fringe and memory device are different based on artist so I didn't realize that.
 
After doing some research, I think I've come to the conclusion that Rewrite has some solid proof for the physical world being made of Information (type 2). I'll leave it here to hear your opinions

Beware the following text contains, obviously, spoilers of all Rewrite

When Kotarou uses Aurora to create a copy of the Theory of Life, he manipulates it to see its contents in the form of a Game Board, which lets them see the contents of the world as well as numbers/parameters/data that define the world and its content and that characters from The Moon can manipulate as a videogame (Anime scenes makes the videogame analogy more clear. Such as a "Game Over" scene when life dies)

Each living being has its own numbers that differenciate them from other species, even if they look similar,  creature data.

The information contained in the Theory of Life is that of the interrelations between all Real-Life events. We've seen that by manipulating said data Kotarou and company can change the transcourse of real-life events, climate, human history, manipulate the genome of living beings, rewind/fast forward time, etc.

Additionally, Kotarou in Akane Route after rewriting his senses describes the world as a "mass of slowly changing numbers", following that interpretation of the world being made by the kind of information/data/parameters Theory of Life manipulates (something he ends up finding again at the end of Terra).

And, well, universes seem to have their individual "history" as well? I mention that because some verses like Dragon Ball have history as an aspect for EE for something similar to this.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
After doing some research, I think I've come to the conclusion that Rewrite has some solid proof for the physical world being made of Information (type 2). I'll leave it here to hear your opinions

Beware the following text contains, obviously, spoilers of all Rewrite

When Kotarou uses Aurora to create a copy of the Theory of Life, he manipulates it to see its contents in the form of a Game Board, which lets them see the contents of the world as well as numbers/parameters/data that define the world and its content and that characters from The Moon can manipulate as a videogame (Anime scenes makes the videogame analogy more clear. Such as a "Game Over" scene when life dies)

Each living being has its own numbers that differenciate them from other species, even if they look similar,  creature data.

The information contained in the Theory of Life is that of the interrelations between all Real-Life events. We've seen that by manipulating said data Kotarou and company can change the transcourse of real-life events, climate, human history, manipulate the genome of living beings, rewind/fast forward time, etc.

Additionally, Kotarou in Akane Route after rewriting his senses describes the world as a "mass of slowly changing numbers", following that interpretation of the world being made by the kind of information/data/parameters Theory of Life manipulates (something he ends up finding again at the end of Terra).

And, well, universes seem to have their individual "history" as well? I mention that because some verses like Dragon Ball have history as an aspect for EE for something similar to this.
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Looks solid, lol. To be fair, from the perspective of higher beings, human universes can literally be anything: video games, manga, light novels, and so on. So it’s definitely coherent.
 
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