What tier is transcending 1-B the same way Low 1-A transcends High 1-B?

[Transcending]

So basically, if a character or a structure was to surpass a 1-B hierarchy as a whole, what tier would it be?

 

[Mr._Undetected]

1-A basically

 

[Transcending]

1-A basically

That's... kinda confusing. Surpassing a High 1-B hierarchy is only Low 1-A but a surpassing 1-B one is 1-A?

 

[Arceus0x]

No, it is just High 1-B im pretty sure.
Low 1-A is just High 1-B but bigger

 

[Mr._Undetected]

That's... kinda confusing. Surpassing a High 1-B hierarchy is only Low 1-A but a surpassing 1-B one is 1-A?

Sorry I misread, I thought High-1B.

 

[Arceus0x]

also outright surpassing dimensions is 1-A. So 1-A is surpassing both a High 1-B and a Low 1-A and even just a 1-B tier. Heck, if you have a Low 1-C character/realm you could probably make someone 1-A but outright surpassing dimensions altogether. It takes a buckload of evidence though.

 

[Transcending]

also outright surpassing dimensions is 1-A. So 1-A is surpassing both a High 1-B and a Low 1-A and even just a 1-B tier. Heck, if you have a Low 1-C character/realm you could probably make someone 1-A but outright surpassing dimensions altogether. It takes a buckload of evidence though.

From my understanding, that has changed, and the current tiering system page says this:

"Characters who can affect objects with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2, which in practical terms also equals a level that completely exceeds Low 1-A structures to the same degree that they exceed High 1-B and below."

Which would mean you can be 1-A and not surpass dimensions.

No, it is just High 1-B im pretty sure.

Thank you.

 

[Arceus0x]

waaaait so that means that 1-A is technically easier to get now

 

[Transcending]

waaaait so that means that 1-A is technically easier to get now

Yup.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

We always consider it like that though, just never describe perfectly before the new explanation came for tier 1A. Also, what being done to tier 1-A while better explain, make it harder for certain verse to actually reach it.

 

[Transcending]

We always consider it like that though, just never describe perfectly before the new explanation came for tier 1A.

That's weird. I thought you had to transcend spatio-temporal dimensionality earlier

https://vsbattles.com/threads/sphere-of-gods-upgrade-1-a.129179/post-4378809

 

[NIK_FARIS]

That's weird. I thought you had to transcend spatio-temporal dimensionality earlier.

No, not exactly. It just most of 1A are define as beyond all dimension which is why we give tier 1A and above BDE. You can get by having trascendence of that similar to 1-A . As aleph 0 is high 1B and Aleph 1 is low 1A the next aleph that is Aleph-2 is 1A

 

[Sevil Natas]

what you described will just give Low 1-A since the transcendent thing would still be existing Above the 1-B hierarchy as a whole with all of its levels.
idk whether you need a high 1-B structure for this to work. from the tiering system, it sounds like you need to be above the dimensional hierarchy as a whole to get L1A. and since 1-B and high 1-B are within the same hierarchy of levels. smth transcending a 1-B structure the same way L1A transcends high 1-B is still Low 1-A if I'm not mistaken

 

[Sevil Natas]

No, not exactly. It just most of 1A are define as beyond all dimension which is why we give tier 1A and above BDE. You can get by having trascendence of that similar to 1-A . As aleph 0 is high 1B and Aleph 1 is low 1A the next aleph that is Aleph-2 is 1A

1-A is an inaccessible not Aleph 2 iirc

 

[Transcending]

1-A is an inaccessible not Aleph 2 iirc

Actually, Inaccessible is High 1-A

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Technically, inaccessible should been refer to high 1-A as it use inaccessible cardinal.

 

[Megaraptor149]

So basically, if a character or a structure was to surpass a 1-B hierarchy as a whole, what tier would it be?

Still 1-B

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Still 1-B

He said it's as a whole, so (IMO) it mean that no extension of the 1-B structure can reach that "world", so the world is L1-A.

 

[Delta333]

waaaait so that means that 1-A is technically easier to get now

This is factually wrong

 

[Arceus0x]

This is factually wrong

 

[Vietthai96]

Either High 1-B or Low 1-A depend on context

 

[Delta333]

I would say Low 1-A if there are no further contexts

For example if 1-B here means 12-D

Uncountable infinity (Low 1-A) divided by 12 (1-B) = uncountable infinity

Uncountable infinity (Low 1-A) divided by infinity (High 1-B) = still uncountable infinity

As you can see the way that low 1-A transcends 1-B is similar to what it does to High 1-B.

 

[Cat275]

Low-1a or 1a if it's transcending it as a whole as in no possible extension can reach it.
If it's just simple R>F or something like that then it's still 1b.

 

[Arceus0x]

This isn't just simple transcendence, this is thunder sound advanced transcendence

 

[Cat275]

1-A is an inaccessible not Aleph 2 iirc

1a is indeed aleph 2.

Inaccessible is High1a.
(Depends on the inaccessible though.)

 

[Cat275]

Low-1a or 1a if it's transcending it as a whole as in no possible extension can reach it.
If it's just simple R>F or something like that then it's still 1b.

Oh actually i think this is possibly high1a if no actual possible extension can reach it.

Note:Im including the infinite extensions(Extended and projective real number line,Aleph,Beth etc.) not just the finite ones.

 

[Cat275]

Oh actually i think this is possibly high1a if no actual possible extension can reach it.

Note:Im including the infinite extensions(Extended and projective real number line,Aleph,Beth etc.) not just the finite ones.

But bassically a simple explanation is that in this case if all or any possible extension can't reach it then it would be or possibly be high1a because of the fact that you transcend this to the point no actual extension can reach this.

When i said possible extension i include the Infinite cardinals.

Bassically aleph and beth numbers are included etc.

So if no possible extension can reach you then extending the 1b hierarchy to a Higher finite or a Infinite number(Something like an aleph number as a example.) wouldn't really matter since it's all the same to you, but bassically you are unreachable to any 1a hierarchy and below as that is all the possible extensions of 1b (and below) when including infinite numbers.

(Of course this can go further at some cases but this is normally the case.)

(so transcending all possible extension to the point no such extension can reach you is high1a, since "all" includes the infinite number extensions and many other types of extension as well, yes?)

So normally this type of transcendance should be High1a or atleast possibly be High1a in my opinion.

 

[Scottycj256]

also outright surpassing dimensions is 1-A. So 1-A is surpassing both a High 1-B and a Low 1-A and even just a 1-B tier. Heck, if you have a Low 1-C character/realm you could probably make someone 1-A but outright surpassing dimensions altogether. It takes a buckload of evidence though.

it's supposed to be 1-A

but the fact that Aleph numbers overlap with 1-A and cardinals are supposed to be High 1-A and 0 makes it far more complicated than it should be

(A normal tiering system would have had aleph numbers and cardinals be High 1-B+)

 

[Cat275]

But bassically a simple explanation is that in this case if all or any possible extension can't reach it then it would be or possibly be high1a because of the fact that you transcend this to the point no actual extension can reach this.

When i said possible extension i include the Infinite cardinals.

Bassically aleph and beth numbers are included etc.

So if no possible extension can reach you then extending the 1b hierarchy to a Higher finite or a Infinite number(Something like an aleph number as a example.) wouldn't really matter since it's all the same to you, but bassically you are unreachable to any 1a hierarchy and below as that is all the possible extensions of 1b (and below) when including infinite numbers.

(Of course this can go further at some cases but this is normally the case.)

(so transcending all possible extension to the point no such extension can reach you is high1a, since "all" includes the infinite number extensions and many other types of extension as well, yes?)

So normally this type of transcendance should be High1a or atleast possibly be High1a in my opinion.

Anyways should be something like this

No possible extension can reach your state because you transcend all possible extensions:High1A(Likely)

Simple R>F:1B

Transcending a whole 1B structure including it's extension:Low1A or 1A
(disregarding the infinite extensions or the extensions beyond 1B tier.)

 

[Galaxi789]

So basically, if a character or a structure was to surpass a 1-B hierarchy as a whole, what tier would it be?

what verse is it from

 

[Transcending]

what verse is it from

No specific verse, I was just asking a general question for verses that don't have infinite dimensions.

 

[Hajun_]

No specific verse, I was just asking a general question for verses that don't have infinite dimensions.

bro i have a question can a person be 1-a if he has mathematical manipulation?
cuz technically number control can give the power to reduce a set of infinite dimensions into 0

 

[Transcending]

bro i have a question can a person be 1-a if he has mathematical manipulation?

Nope

 

[Kowalski]

So basically, if a character or a structure was to surpass a 1-B hierarchy as a whole, what tier would it be?

It seems that the character surpass the entirety of finiteness there (As any number of dimensions above 12 would still exist in 1-B tier's framework, so, transcending this framework here should imply the transcendence over finiteness), which is tier High 1-B.