No actually the near and far bit is a result of his manipulation of distance between him and his opponents having a ****** up or different perception of near and far as a result of said manipulation of distance. The crux of my argument wasn't perception manip nor does me admitting I was wrong on that part invalidate or debunk my argument I just wasn't sure how to exactly treat it.
No, thanks. Therefore, I would prefer to read the source materials myself so that I can see the previous and following contexts. This is how I evaluate any context personally. But as far as I see, you are referring it to the blue technique (chapter 69)
Eh, I suppose. I think I am already late to comment on it, but I don't think he is creating or manipulating any negative numbers directly. It is the outcome of his amplifying a significant amount of the cursed energy, resulting in a potent force of attraction akin to that of a powerful magnet.
Frankly, it is not my concern if you continue to misunderstand the OP's point, but as MGQ and I have repeatedly clarified: The argument does not depend on Infinity being nominal. MGQ was the first person to suggest that the "Infinity" aspect of Gojo's power is mathematics manipulation in this comment and his argument about nominal concepts was solely in reference to the fact that the statement (not by the author) about the concepts of "near" and "far" were contextualized solely in reference to an opponent's perception.
You might be right, but the scan is a too direct to assume otherwise without a good reason, so it's probably best to just leave it as math manip.
That's literally what I just said...
Such an interpretation would render all mathematics manipulation as being a form of Type 2 concept manipulation, but this is clearly not the case.
Did you put force field creation at spatial manipulation? That should be removed Idk who put that there lolOk I adjusted where math manip is better placed based on accepted scans in relation to it.
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Satoru Gojo (五ご条じょう悟さとる, Gojō Satoru?) is one of the main protagonists of the Jujutsu Kaisen series. He is a Special Grade Jujutsu Sorcerer who is widely recognized as the strongest of the Modern Era. Satoru is the pride of the Gojo Family, being the first person to inherit both Limitless and...vsbattles.fandom.com
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It was always there.
No it wouldn't? The reason this is the case is because of all Gojo's mathematic manipulation is solely due to the fact that he control the concept of Infinity. So it is specific to this verse. Not sure how you concluded this.
Gojo can amplify limitless to act like a forcefield which is how he killed Hanami.
It has translated in Tumblr, unfortunately I can't post the link in the site, though you can type abyss of math course - part 1 tumblr at google taskbar
He controls infinity, not "the concept of infinity." You claimed Gojo stated he controlled the concept of infinity, but the scan you linked says otherwise, he simply says "Infinity is originally omnipresent, my sorcery just brings it back to reality."
He controls the concept of infinity as stated in the novel and as further contextualized by how Cursed Techniques work in the first place, needing a target concept.
It doesn't. Infinity is parenthesized for a reason as I noted in my explanation to Ultima when explaining the mechanisms behind CT. Not to mention an abstract quality existing everywhere in reality and having sway over reality would also implicitly lead us to the same conclusion.
No he didn't. Ultima explained that it was blatantly abstract and thus couldn't be explained by spatial manipulation alone and that he wasn't swayed about concept manip. He then further asked for more context which I have him not only regarding Infinity/Gojo's powers, but also context on JJK ontology and curse technique mechanics.
The body is material. The soul is spiritual. This is a dichotomy. Toji's body in full is able to be summoned using physical information and this info dominated someone else's soul. Yaga takes physical information and recreates souls by turning that into spiritual information and having the new souls observe each other to gain sentience and create CT.
Address it in another thread. I also disagree with that, along with Void Manipulation.
The novel which wasn't written by the author of JJK. Even so, if it "brings the concept of infinity into reality" then that means the concept of infinity doesn't qualify for Type 2.
Except it doesn't "exist everywhere in reality." The scan features Gojo explicitly stating that his sorcery is responsible for bringing it into reality.
This whole notion of infinity being a "conceptual engine" is not present in any of your scans.
Doesn't matter it was clearly referencing the initial explanation from the manga, the novel is an official product that goes along with the official movie which Gege had extreme oversight as Gege draw storyboards for animations in addition to supervision. Not to mention our site standards aren't "has to be directly written by the author" to be canon. Also if you didn't notice, Gege is still listed as the main author here.
Yes it does. JJK has an abstract reality and physical reality, Gojo is bringing the conceptual into physical reality for effect. Literally, type 2 concept.
Yes, read the scan. "Infinity originally exist everywhere. My sorcery just brings it back to reality" implying that reality once was in an infinite state and no longer is but Gojo is able to still utilize said concept to effect in the physical world. The fact that his powers allow him to then abstractly use math to dominate reality would once again bar if from being nominal in anyway and wouldn't qualify for type 3 either.
It has been explained, you can literally go and read my discussion with Ultima for further context. You are refusing to look at the evidence. There isn't much else I cano do about that.
I only brought it up because it's being used as a piece of evidence in the argument for type 2 conceptual manipulation
A third party's interpretation of the manga means very little. The author did not write this.
"Official product" means nothing. Filler episodes and movies are also "official products" and something as vague as "oversight" is also not meaningful. We have rejected a variety of content as being canon for reasons just like this. The author didn't write it.
Nothing in his sentence implies "reality was once in an infinite state and no longer is." It says "Infinity is originally omnipresent." You have a bad habit of editorializing scans to say things they simply do not.
I looked at your evidence and read your arguments. Your evidence just isn't good enough. There isn't much else I can do about that.
■初出: 劇場版呪術廻戦 0 ノベライズ 書き下ろし (First appearance: Jujutsu Kaisen the Movie Novelization Newly written)
This is a blatantly dishonest framing. This isn't a third party making their own version of the novel. This is the official supervised released product for the movie. Gege is listed as an author before both other people on the exact novel itself, and was heavily involved with supervision.
Prove this.
Equivocation fallacy. This is an official release of canon events from the manga. Anything espoused by the third party has been ok'd by the copyright author and owner of the media that is JJK. Those sources outweigh your personal interpretation.
This is incorrect as several other verses utilize secondary and tertiary canon. Not to mention you statement "the author didn't write it" is heavily disingenuous here given this novel inherently being a retelling of the authors work, the author being listed as an author on the novel proper, and his direct oversight.
Yes it does. What do you think he means by "originally everywhere" and bring it "back" to reality?
Yes, if omnipresent means everywhere, and originally implies a prior state different to the current one, which is bolstered by the fact that Gojo is "bringing it back to reality", how does any of that go against my conclusion?
"Official released product" means nothing, as I already said. Filler episodes and non-canon movies are also official released products by the IP holder, we do not consider them canon. Gege is not listed as an author on the novels, he is only listed as an illustrator. See here where only Ballad Kitaguni is listed as the author, and the front cover simply says "Created by Gege, Novel by Ballad Kitaguni" which is only an acknowledgement of Gege as the creator of the franchise, not that he participated in writing the novel.
Nope, not at all. This would render filler episodes and non-canon movies canon just because they were "ok'd by the copyright author and owner of the media" which is not in line with our standards for canonicity at all.
Yes, he's talking about infinity, not reality. You used his statement about the prior state of infinity to infer something about the prior state of reality, which is a non-sequitur.
I don't care what you say. You saying official product release means nothing quite literally means nothing. You don't have the rights to express what counts as a part of the JJK story. Things like Jump released supplements and media directly tied to the manga, do indeed count as secondary canon.
Ok, why do you keep bringing this up? This isn't at all relevant to what we are discussing so it's a complete non sqeuitur to out discussion.
Created by Gege means Gege is getting authorship of the material itself. Ballad is obviously the person responsible for penning down the ideas. So if Gege is listed and supervised the novel, which is turn a novelization of a movie that he also supervised using content he wrote, and Gege and Jump both explicitly approve as copyright holders to have it published, it sure can be counted as canon.
Incorrect, this is once again an equivocation fallacy. You can't use a general rule to try and apply here when it's blatantly obvious this case is comparable to a "non canon movie" or "filler"
Yes Infinity was originally everywhere. Everywhere is CLEARLY talking about reality lol.
No I didn't, the two are linked by Gojo himself. "Infinity is originally omnipresent" links both subjects and the use of "originally" implies them being together at once, which is why Gojo now has to conjure it using his power.
Okay, your personal opinion does not supercede our standards on canonicity. We regularly and routinely dismiss material that is published by the IP holder of a series because it wasn't actually written by the author. JJK is no exception just because you want it to be.
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Nope, it cannot be counted as canon. First, I don't see any information that suggests Gege "supervised" the novel. According to the description on the Amazon page for the novel, Ballad Kitaguni was sent manga volumes as draft material for the novel. I don't see any indication of Gege's personal involvement in supervising the writing of the novel.
Infinity being omnipresent in reality does not mean reality used to be infinite. Especially given the "Achilles and the Tortoise" analogy.
Yeah you're pretty blatantly writing this yourself, it's not present in the text.
One refers to infinity as a concept, and one does not. If they weren't at odds we could just use the manga.
Go ahead and point these out to me. I want to see the standards that bar this from being canon.
The content utilized to create the story is Gege's itself hence why he is credited with original authorship.
Except you have yet to explicitly outline why it's not canon. All you have done is point to general rules and things that have nothing to do with this novel such as non canon movies and general anime filler, which is completely outside of the scope or context of this situation.
I’m not sure I agree with this as being a contradiction but I guess.
This isn't simply adding a new thing, this is altering the existing explanation for Gojo's ability.
I just did in the post you're responding to.
Yes. I already pointed this out.
This pretty much settles it. The authors involvement was very minimal.
These are non-canon for the same reason as anime filler: They are written by different authors in adaptations of the primary source material. Even so, the second half of the paragraph being used primarily discusses it in terms of physics manipulation, so you're out of luck either way:
Yeah no, we're not gonna ignore you completely leaving out these lines
That is not "minimal" involvement, that is direct involvement and supervision.
This is also incorrect. Filler is often times not canon because the entire plotlines of those episodes are completely contrived scenarios not at all found in the manga, and as a result of the anime needing to buy time due to relying on manga primarily. That is completely different than a directly supervised adaptation that is an official source and directly supervised by Gege, stemming directly from events that did canonically happen.
Not really, Gojo already has that and once again, this isn't a one size fits all thing. gojos conceptual control over infinity allows him control over physics, math, space, etc. Pointing this out in no way precludes Infinity being conceptual.
Those lines hurt you.
Per both our canon standards and our CM standards, this clearly doesn't pass inspection. We can't get anywhere because you are less interested in our site standards and more interested in finding any way possible to argue for this clearly imaginary ability of Gojo's. This thread has passed 7-0, this discussion served little purpose past that point. I will leave it open for a time to allow your discussion with Ultima to continue but there is very little chance of this being overturned so temper your expectations accordingly.
In this case, I think we can close this thread.
Yes, it is 3 to 4 months.
No? I and others are still waiting for Ultima to respond ,as if you read Hasty's post, that is what I was referring to.
This is exactly why I'd like to wait before we started putting the changes in because its hard enough to get anything done without having to wait huge chunks of time to attempt changes to the verse. But what's done is done here and there is little point in keeping this thread open if the changes have already been applied because we're unlikely to get staff to return to the thread even if Ultima comes around or White convinces people.
