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"Using Ki is harder than any martial arts"
-Master Roshi, the God of Martial arts
So Goku>>>any martial arts user
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Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!
-Master Roshi, the God of Martial arts
So Goku>>>any martial arts user
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You mean thicc Raikou dodging attacks from an opponent who can predict infinite moves in the future and clash blades with Musashi who reached conceptual infinity skill and learned to sever through fate with her sword is not skill? Whaaatt???
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How good is general Nasu skill anyway? The only thing i know about the scale is Musashi/Kojiro > everyone else.
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Remember that time time when Naruto used the sword of the kumo nin when they come to ask about Sasuke after Pain s arc...well Naruto outskilled a sword user with his sword. Gg ez Boruto 's dad second place in sword category.
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Double post but who cares...im Reading a novel and the Mc now uses a Baldachin as a weapon. You may be more skilled than him in the sword skills which he also practices but can you outskill his baldachin skillz? I think not. He even defeated the second strongest Buddha with it...bed>buddha.
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Prediction, copying, trackless step, edel sword style, body control, energy control etc etc aren't restricted to just sword though, they are all things he does with or without a sword.
Ikki without a sword isn't helpless, he still knows a lot of martial arts, has fought without a sword before, uses anything in the area to his advantage (rocks, erasers) AND he doesn't even need a sword, he literally trains to cut metal pipes with paper, so if god forbid there is a ruler on the ground ye done.
Ikki also perfects the styles he learns, so knowing the counter to your style doesn't mean you'll counter ikki's version.
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Garou perfects the styles he learns as well
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So....we making the fight or nah?
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Nah
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You're free to make the fight. I am in school though so don't expect too much from me ATM.So....we making the fight or nah?
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They've already perfected their rightful styles and can do the same with their copying.
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Ip Man is a Mike Tyson victim.
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Could someone link to the post with Garou’s skill detailed out please?
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It dosn't exist right now lol
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Oh thought Phoenks made something.
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No that was just his Cosmic Fear stuff iirc
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Really dumb if it's a skill match. Rex isn't even in the same realm as Garou. Seriously.
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Ah, right. He was submitted. I assumed @BakiHanma18 had more feats to list, though?
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I'll add him to the list, then.
It's split into 2 posts, though, so preferably @BakiHanma18 should edit his feat posts into a single post.
It's split into 2 posts, though, so preferably @BakiHanma18 should edit his feat posts into a single post.
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Why can't you just link both of them?
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I said I'd make a skill list for "The Boxer", so here it is. This is for a singular character, though, so it's not truly complete and I did cut a few corners, but it's what I had on hand.
To even compete as a Boxer in the series, one has to train for years to read their opponent's movements, the movement of their shoulders, footwork, rhythm, and habits, anything that they can use to dodge attacks they normally would be unable to perceive without analytical prediction. Even the weakest Boxers are capable of doing this.
Gifted Boxers (or "Geniuses" as they are refereed to) possess a unique set of movements that provide inhuman fluidity and the ability to control the flow of their power perfectly, making them inherently far more skilled than the average Boxer, as the average "Genius" was capable of effortlessly toying with the 3rd ranked Boxer in all of Korea, who would obviously also scale far higher than the average Boxer. This "Genius"(Baeksan Ryu) also had absolutely 0 formal training in terms of combat, meaning his inherent combat skill was already on the level where he could do that, and effortlessly defeat multiple gangsters with movements that an experienced boxing coach said he had "never seen before".
Another thing inherent to geniuses is their unpredictability due to the "flow" or "freedom" of their movements previously mentioned, which makes it so that their movements cannot be anticipated by those with inferior "freedom".
Jean is inherently far, far superior to people like Baeksan Ryu, who is inherently far superior to people like Siha Lee, who without any formal training, is capable of predicting movements by storing information, allowing him to predict the dozens of possible movements throughout an entire boxing match, which scales far above a normal Boxer's analytical prediction.
In terms of scaling, it goes as follows for analytical prediction:
Baseline Boxer Analytical Prediction < Steel's analytical prediction (That's the guy whose ranked 3rd in Korea BTW) < Baseline Genius Analytical Prediction resistance << Siha Lee's analytical prediction and resistance < Baeksan Ryu's analytical prediction resistance << Jean Pierre Manuel's Analaytical Prediction and resistance Pre-Evolution < Post-Evolution Jean Pierre Manuel's Analytical Prediction and resistance (I know the resistances aren't on the profiles yet but I have to put them in the list anyway). So in terms of layers, Jeanne scales to about 5-8 layers of analytical prediction and resistance.
To get into his general skill, Jean's movements were stated to be so precise that K, a legendary Boxing Coach who has trained multiple World Champions that have gone down in the history books, acknowledged that he was a True Boxer that looked to endlessly sharpen his skills to the pinnacle of technique constantly, and was capable of making absolutely perfect decisions on the fly, utilizing his range and unpredictability to make it impossible to gauge the distance or timing of his punches.
Jean's focus is as such that he spends countless hours training his perception down to the cellular level to gain complete control over his body. To put it into perspective, a master of meditation is capable of, without any formal training, is capable of clearly hearing their own heartbeart as they concentrate. Jeane, as a master of meditation, allows him to properly visualize and control his own heartbeat, his muscles and blood flow, and even the individual neurons in his brain.
Jean improves his skill at a staggering pace, both through shadowboxing, and through combat, as through being put through life-threatening situations, he is capable of breaking his limits and evolving his skills even further than before, giving him even higher skill and perception. After breaking his limits, Jean became capable of perceiving the world with enhanced, supernatural clarity, where he can vividly visualize and control his body's functions. This is described as a world where every moment of time feels sharp and everything is completely clear.
Gifted Boxers (or "Geniuses" as they are refereed to) possess a unique set of movements that provide inhuman fluidity and the ability to control the flow of their power perfectly, making them inherently far more skilled than the average Boxer, as the average "Genius" was capable of effortlessly toying with the 3rd ranked Boxer in all of Korea, who would obviously also scale far higher than the average Boxer. This "Genius"(Baeksan Ryu) also had absolutely 0 formal training in terms of combat, meaning his inherent combat skill was already on the level where he could do that, and effortlessly defeat multiple gangsters with movements that an experienced boxing coach said he had "never seen before".
Another thing inherent to geniuses is their unpredictability due to the "flow" or "freedom" of their movements previously mentioned, which makes it so that their movements cannot be anticipated by those with inferior "freedom".
Jean is inherently far, far superior to people like Baeksan Ryu, who is inherently far superior to people like Siha Lee, who without any formal training, is capable of predicting movements by storing information, allowing him to predict the dozens of possible movements throughout an entire boxing match, which scales far above a normal Boxer's analytical prediction.
In terms of scaling, it goes as follows for analytical prediction:
Baseline Boxer Analytical Prediction < Steel's analytical prediction (That's the guy whose ranked 3rd in Korea BTW) < Baseline Genius Analytical Prediction resistance << Siha Lee's analytical prediction and resistance < Baeksan Ryu's analytical prediction resistance << Jean Pierre Manuel's Analaytical Prediction and resistance Pre-Evolution < Post-Evolution Jean Pierre Manuel's Analytical Prediction and resistance (I know the resistances aren't on the profiles yet but I have to put them in the list anyway). So in terms of layers, Jeanne scales to about 5-8 layers of analytical prediction and resistance.
To get into his general skill, Jean's movements were stated to be so precise that K, a legendary Boxing Coach who has trained multiple World Champions that have gone down in the history books, acknowledged that he was a True Boxer that looked to endlessly sharpen his skills to the pinnacle of technique constantly, and was capable of making absolutely perfect decisions on the fly, utilizing his range and unpredictability to make it impossible to gauge the distance or timing of his punches.
Jean's focus is as such that he spends countless hours training his perception down to the cellular level to gain complete control over his body. To put it into perspective, a master of meditation is capable of, without any formal training, is capable of clearly hearing their own heartbeart as they concentrate. Jeane, as a master of meditation, allows him to properly visualize and control his own heartbeat, his muscles and blood flow, and even the individual neurons in his brain.
Jean improves his skill at a staggering pace, both through shadowboxing, and through combat, as through being put through life-threatening situations, he is capable of breaking his limits and evolving his skills even further than before, giving him even higher skill and perception. After breaking his limits, Jean became capable of perceiving the world with enhanced, supernatural clarity, where he can vividly visualize and control his body's functions. This is described as a world where every moment of time feels sharp and everything is completely clear.
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I mean don't you wanna talk about the part about how Saber is good enough that, despite the fact that someone who is able to perceived nigh-infinite timelines to the point he's able to accurately predicts events and attacks/defense patterns of other swordman, is simply not good enough to defeat him.
Or how he is just THAT GOOD, that he can just no-sell history erasure ala. King Crimson.
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