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Doesn't Kouki used a spell or something for that
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Warriors of Heaven and Hell: The Most Skilled on the Wiki!
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Nope, he just for his desire to continue to fight while at the verge of death had one of those enlightenment moments and learned how to manipulate internally his energy in a way that let him continue to fight despite his injuries, the thing is classified as a skill in status plates but like a lot of things are classfied as skills in status plates (like for example a normal girl who naturally learned to climb, she got good with it and at some point the status plate just showed that as one of her skills, she didn't had any type of supernatural help, bonus or anything like that after be registered as a skill in her status plate btw, the creator of status plates itself said how they just show the strong or special points of someone to give a objetive view of their capabilities, there is no supernatural system like in various verses that give bonus or have any special effect).
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I could probably nominate Hei from Darker Than Black but I honestly have no idea what category he'd really fall into.
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Btw why not an assassination or stealth category
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It's still a skill, and skills in Arifureta are blatantly supernatural. Even the description itself says it uses magic power.
And, quite honestly, I think I'm being very reasonable when saying that, since I applied it to the character I suggested as well;
Like, I didn't even use Hengen Muso feats for Rishia and by extension Naofumi; and those are martial arts techniques that just involve supernatural energy. Rishia has a feat of dodging danmaku from someone who blitzes her via Hengen Muso precog (Which is really just analytical prediction via reading someone's life-force to predict their actions). The danmaku being expansive enough that a room full of people (Like 8 or something+) comparable to her (
Hengen Muso style itself as a discipline is built to shut down strength and speed advantages and can allow level 100 non-heroes to fight level 350 heroes, and is the only way a normal person could ever fight a hero in-canon (
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My bro Bueno Benjamin solos
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You are really confused about Arifureta, Arifureta don't have a system like Tsuki Ga or Shield Hero, the status plates (the thing that show the game like screen with stats and skills) is literally just an artifact that analyze the strong and special points of someone along with their physical and magical abilities to give an objetive view of the user strength, this is directly confirmed in Arifureta Zero vol 6 by Oscar who created the status plates (he created them so people didn't just blindly go to the labyrinth to die), is because of this that you can't for example gain stats by killing (like in most verses with systems) and instead they only increase if you train, is because of this that even things as mundane as climb can be registered as a skill if the person is really goot at it (hell even biological abilities are classified as skills), there is no supernatural bonus or effect like in the verse that you mentioned as example.
Everyone in Tortus (the world to which Kouki class was summoned) have magic (it have been compared even with life force), every habitant of a world have a type of unique energy (though in some cases, like in Earth, most people don't know how to control it). Just because a character use a type or energy don't mean that something isn't a skill feat (in that case most of the people in the list would be out), it just depend how is used that energy and for what (like analyze the life energy of the opponent to predict his next move is something valid, but use your energy to do an attack that hit through space and time is invalid).
Futhermore in Kouki case is used to argue skill because he still feel the pain of the injuries, bleed and get wounded normally, hell even if War Demon let him continue to fight with grave injuries he can still die if really end too damaged, that's the reason of why he was unconscious and in the verge of death when his allies finded him days later of continuously fight (they literally needed to use the best healers of their kingdom to save his life), it's a completely valid skill feat all the scene.
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And to let you know exactly how big of a difference this is: It's at least a five times difference in all stats scaling-wise, and that's assuming they even have the same growth-rate, which isn't the case. That's not factoring in additional power-up methods, growth adjustments, and dragon vein scaling which can more than double growth rates, so we're potentially looking at a more than 10 times stat difference in all areas, and even that's a lowball cause:
So... pretty good prediction that I didn't bring up.
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Sounds dubious considering the screenshots are directly referencing his "specs" being increased by limit break which War Demon is a derivative of.
Regardless of lore of the verse which may say one thing, I think most people would agree that using magic power in your body to reinforce your body to continue fighting is not skill.
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That's just a normal physical amp like in any verse with a energy system.
Is skill because he still have to endure the pain and the injuries while fighting (it just that let him bear the wounds better), additionally the point about skill in that scene was more so how even with his injuries and blood loss he could still fight unconscious for days.
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Some skill feats are also endurance feats, this is one of them.
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Fighting against a big number of enemies, while having a big hole on you (along various other grave injuries), while anemic and unconscious it is a skill feat though, and that is what Kouki did in that scene.
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Y'know what's another good category to have in my opinion...
Strategy:
Close-range
Mid-range
Long Range
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Strategy>>>>Skill
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It can be both, in this case is both, but anyways can go more in depth about all the things that happened in that scene with my big post later.
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As said, will do with my big post later (because while in that state he was doing a lot of things).
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Sebastian Castellanos is about to show what an average cop he is
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Kid beating.
Police officer seducing.
Minorities killing.
Dagger, thread mastery.
He is also a chinaman.
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CHINAMEN you said???
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Nominating Claude von Riegan for bows. Man's a ******' showoff even compared to some of the more obvious picks like Hawkeye or Green Arrow.
(I'm not counting Fallen Star making him guaranteed to dodge the next attack since that's something he only gets from Failnaught and is just an ability separate from his skill)
- Precisely predicted exactly where Nemesis would be and made sure an arrow hit him right on time with Byleth's attack
- Can precisely land a shot while dodging a melee attack with a backflip
- Can precisely land a shot while backflipping on a Wyvern
- Shoots another arrow out of the air as it's flying at him
- Able to jump in the air and precisely land a shot while also upside-down, landing on his Wyvern which dodged an attack
- Precisely lands three shots while having the Wyvern he's actively riding perform a barrel roll
- This is technically Shez, but Claude is fully capable of all of this in gameplay, including but not limited to firing several arrows with one pull of his bow, doing the same on horseback and firing arrows with machinegun-like speed.
- Can casually dance around trained soldiers even in melee while using a bow
- Three Hopes Barbarossa, just Three Hopes Barbarossa
- Despite being outmatched in raw stats, he's able to fight against and kill Rhea, who has centuries if over an eon of combat experience, with some help from Shez
- Capable of firing his arrow in such a way that it prevents his opponent from moving via Encloser
- I'm pretty sure this just counts as magic at this point, but so far as we know it's not, so he can somehow fire arrows at people from multiple angles without moving his bow. I probably wouldn't count this personally, but if you wanna go right ahead
- I don't have any footage of this because Three Hopes is new, but Claude can fight and defeat a duplicate of himself created by the godlike mage Epimenides, and then fight said mage, who has a significant amount of combat experience himself, despite mages having a natural advantage over bow users in gameplay.
- Other Archers who should be far inferior to Claude, such as nameless faceless archers and the likes of Bernadetta, are capable of unleashing Fusillades from all the way across a battlefield, Bernadetta being able to do so while it's impossible to track her (I don't have footage because Three Hopes is new, but it's in the mission in Golden Wildfire where you're able to recruit Bernadetta)
- Should be in the same ballpark as Shamir, who required an entire mercenary company to slowly whittle her down over time in order to defeat her, and even then, Shamir only notes it's "Entirely possible" she could have lost, meaning it's also probably possible she would have been able to kill all of them instead, and even if she couldn't, she would have been able to kill a lot of them.
- It's worth noting that the story generally ignores how laughably superior the playable units are to enemy armies in terms of raw stats, implying several times that simple bad luck could get you killed if you weren't careful, such as Balthus believing he would have died to a few generic archers had he not been lucky, implying Shamir's statement was intended one of skill more than of raw stats
- This isn't even getting into his military and political genius, as these ultimately aren't relevant to his prowess with a bow.
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Kind of untrue, TID was never as good, because Kojiro did get caught by surprise a few times by Poseidon moving faster, the same cannot be said about ikki.
Also "because of how fast Kojiro evolves", you don't wanna play that game vs Ikki. He as evolving at "several decades every instant", and not a hyperbole btw cus he actually reached the peak of his fate in seconds (the maximum potential he was ever allowed to reach in his lifetime).
It means everything in terms of information analysis and prediction, as he knows not only what their moves could be but also their strategies, thoughts etc. It's part of what makes Perfect Vision impossible to break out of.
Analysing his opponent is already something Ikki can do that same level so this ain't it.
That had nothing to do with Kojiro's skill lol, that was just the old man touching the scratch and realizing the kind of training he had done. And his mind wasn't assaulted come on, he just saw the students.
Kojiro didn't learn Poseidon's moves there, the "i know this" was refering to the fact that "i know he will use this move", he had already gone through the fight so he knows what move poseidon would do and how to dodge it. Not he copied poseidon's attacks.
"conceptually stealth-ed" carpet bombing btw. He knew exactly where and when each arrow would hit.
The "blitzing" is very overstated here as literally that pannel there shows kojiro not expecting an attack from Poseidon and STILL dodging, meaning he reacted to it. There's a few situations where this happens. Moreover even the profiles do have these guys scaling to one another for a reason. If you're still gonna bring up the blitz im gonna have to hit you with the Ikki vs 4 clones of himself all 48 x all stats. A feat which we disregarded in a separate thread because it would run into the issue of "someone that much faster would barely see you even moving, so there's no strategy to it". Anyway don't bring this up.
So you admit that Ikki in general > Kojiro, but now are trying to compare just Perfect Vision and TID? Cus Ikki has WAY WAY more than perfect vision, his copying, his senses, analysis, attack reflection, energy manipulation, body control, trackless step on both 1 and whole crowds, and some random ass feats he has which i don't even know how to call, echolocation, breaking trackless step, beating the probability hax, finding the controller of puppets through....pattern waves (weird shit) etc.
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Nobody wants to deal with it again. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...h_they're_in_Ittou_Shura_whilst_he_is_in_base
but here, don't think too hard about it though, as our site doesn't accept beating people in a melee fight with that kind of difference in speed (as it would just scale, but they can't scale cus they're literally him but in ittou shura), so it's just kind of in a vacuum, that's why i always bring it up as a joke as "don't make me bring it up".
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A strategy ranking would be pretty sick. Social influencing too, maybe? I'd have some cool suggestions for that one. I don't wanna push OP to stuff he doesn't wanna do though lol.
Speaking of which, here's another entry, for Modern Martial Artists. I highly doubt she's in the wiki's top 5, but until more are suggested I think she'll fit in fine since she has some cool feats.
Natsuo Ishidou
Speaking of which, here's another entry, for Modern Martial Artists. I highly doubt she's in the wiki's top 5, but until more are suggested I think she'll fit in fine since she has some cool feats.
Natsuo Ishidou
- Natsuo is naturally gifted at almost anything she does, having shown the ability to excel in sports with zero practice, like volleyball, basketball and martial arts, and has also shown the ability to copy moves just by having witnessed them years before, experiencing them a couple times and even watching someone poorly attempt to recreate them as a child.
- Her prowess is such that not only she can copy moves she barely understands, but she can also just make them up on the fly.
- Could mostly bridge the physical gap between her and MMA pros in less than a month and participate in tournaments after only three months, beating opponents that were thought to hold a huge advantage over her, with her prowess in a tournament three months later being deemed sufficient to enter G-Girl, a world-class MMA competition.
- When Natsuo attempts to copy a move, her instincts will carry it out even if she barely understands it.
- When she is in "the zone", Natsuo can fight completely on instinct, without thinking.
- Natsuo can feel the "flow" of a fight, and predict what she must do to win easily, as shown here.
- Back when she still had little knowledge of MMA, Natsuo could intuitively understand the purpose of stances she had never seen before, with those abilities only growing better with experience, to the point that she can rapidly understand and counter whole fighting styles.
- Defended herself against an attack while her view was obscured, explaining that she predicted and counter it completely on instinct.
- Seemingly analyzed the best spots to attack an adversary.
- She also has a wide variety of techniques, albeit relatively grounded ones. I've detailed in her profile what they are but a highlight is her Flicker Jab which she uses to perfectly zone out and prevent an opponent from approaching (this opponent is actually better than her and ultimately ends up winning but she's basically defenseless against the Flicker Jab until Natsuo ***** up due to her ego)
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Alright I talked about BS characters buuuut Imma be one of those people
I recalled another BS feat from a novel I'm reading.
Basically, dude got all his senses nullified, and yet somehow moves his body (just willpower and common novel shittery), and he has awakened a power that, for a brief moment, lets him sense the willpower in the mana of his opponents attack and it disappears for a short moment.
The dude he fought against was much stronger and faster than him that a single hit stated to be able to kill him. Despite that, he has managed to defeat him.
How skilled would this exactly be?
I recalled another BS feat from a novel I'm reading.
Basically, dude got all his senses nullified, and yet somehow moves his body (just willpower and common novel shittery), and he has awakened a power that, for a brief moment, lets him sense the willpower in the mana of his opponents attack and it disappears for a short moment.
The dude he fought against was much stronger and faster than him that a single hit stated to be able to kill him. Despite that, he has managed to defeat him.
How skilled would this exactly be?
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