MinatoSparkle
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Currently, this is WA Naruto's AP rating/justification:
City level+ (Should be as strong as he was before the war), Island level with Sage Mode (Should be at least as strong as before. Matched the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab's kinetic energy with his Rasengan, circumvented his LCM to crack his skin, and redirected his thrust)
But WA Naruto isn't simply comparable to PA Naruto. There are multiple reasons he got a lot stronger.
1. He cleared the doubts in his mind during his waterfall of truth training, which made his will stronger. This would logically lead to a boost in his mental energy, as will is a component of the mind's strength.
2. He gained a huge amount of strength from the strong thoughts granted by Kushina's love, which is supported by the Volume 54 blurb saying he achieved new growth as a shinobi after inheriting his parents' feelings (this could be in reference to KCM, but it's specifically mentioning his parent's feelings in relation to his growth). Feats support this as well, as Kurama was shocked at Naruto's strength after he talked with Kushina despite already having fought him and felt his Rasenshuriken (the fact that he managed to overpower Kurama's hatred could also be a sign of another amp to his will).
3. He fought a LOT of enemies over the war (there were about 10 significant battles along with the smaller battles that his 13 clones fought on all fronts of the war for hours on end, and all of these clones' experiences would've accumulated in him once they were dispelled), which is stated specifically in reference to Naruto joining the war as a quick way to power up.
Considering that Base WA Naruto>>Base PA Naruto>AS Naruto>BoS Naruto, who is fairly close to Kakashi, who downscales marginally from 7-A, I think it's very reasonable to say that Base WA Naruto should upscale to 7-A. SM Naruto's rating can stay the same though. He's dramatically, but unquantifiably stronger.
Also, I know the speed revisions are coming eventually, but I'm proposing that WA SM Naruto is Sub-Relativistic because it's so simple and him being upscaled doesn't affect anyone else. He massively upscales from Kakashi (WA SM Naruto>>PA SM Naruto>>Base PA Naruto>AS Naruto>BoS Naruto<~Kakashi) who's rated as Mach 7981, or less than 10% away from baseline Sub-Relativistic. He also dodged the 3rd Raikage from a very short distance, and while that is reaction speed, he then tagged him while he was mid charge, which establishes at least some level of relativity. I'm fine with him either being baseline Sub-Relativistic or having his combat speed scale to the same value as the 3rd Raikage, I'll leave it up to the staff. His reaction speed is definitely 3rd Raikage level though.
Agree: AnimesFreak2, Slendveny
Disagree:
Neutral:
City level+ (Should be as strong as he was before the war), Island level with Sage Mode (Should be at least as strong as before. Matched the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab's kinetic energy with his Rasengan, circumvented his LCM to crack his skin, and redirected his thrust)
But WA Naruto isn't simply comparable to PA Naruto. There are multiple reasons he got a lot stronger.
1. He cleared the doubts in his mind during his waterfall of truth training, which made his will stronger. This would logically lead to a boost in his mental energy, as will is a component of the mind's strength.
2. He gained a huge amount of strength from the strong thoughts granted by Kushina's love, which is supported by the Volume 54 blurb saying he achieved new growth as a shinobi after inheriting his parents' feelings (this could be in reference to KCM, but it's specifically mentioning his parent's feelings in relation to his growth). Feats support this as well, as Kurama was shocked at Naruto's strength after he talked with Kushina despite already having fought him and felt his Rasenshuriken (the fact that he managed to overpower Kurama's hatred could also be a sign of another amp to his will).
3. He fought a LOT of enemies over the war (there were about 10 significant battles along with the smaller battles that his 13 clones fought on all fronts of the war for hours on end, and all of these clones' experiences would've accumulated in him once they were dispelled), which is stated specifically in reference to Naruto joining the war as a quick way to power up.
Considering that Base WA Naruto>>Base PA Naruto>AS Naruto>BoS Naruto, who is fairly close to Kakashi, who downscales marginally from 7-A, I think it's very reasonable to say that Base WA Naruto should upscale to 7-A. SM Naruto's rating can stay the same though. He's dramatically, but unquantifiably stronger.
Also, I know the speed revisions are coming eventually, but I'm proposing that WA SM Naruto is Sub-Relativistic because it's so simple and him being upscaled doesn't affect anyone else. He massively upscales from Kakashi (WA SM Naruto>>PA SM Naruto>>Base PA Naruto>AS Naruto>BoS Naruto<~Kakashi) who's rated as Mach 7981, or less than 10% away from baseline Sub-Relativistic. He also dodged the 3rd Raikage from a very short distance, and while that is reaction speed, he then tagged him while he was mid charge, which establishes at least some level of relativity. I'm fine with him either being baseline Sub-Relativistic or having his combat speed scale to the same value as the 3rd Raikage, I'll leave it up to the staff. His reaction speed is definitely 3rd Raikage level though.
Attack Potency: Mountain level (Should be much stronger than he was before the war, as his will grew stronger through his training at the Waterfall of Truth, he gained a huge amount of strength from his parents' love, and engaged in many battles throughout the war, which is stated by Killer B to be a shortcut to powering up), Island level with Sage Mode (Should be much stronger than his previous Sage Mode. Matched the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab's kinetic energy with his Rasengan, circumvented his LCM to crack his skin, and redirected his thrust)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Considerably faster than his previous base), Sub-Relativistic with Sage Mode (Considerably faster than he was before the war. Intercepted the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab while he was rushing forward [Mach 8740.3 or Mach 39907.597]), with higher reaction speed (Dodged the Edo 3rd Raikage at point-blank range. His reaction speed is faster than it is in Kyūbi Chakra Mode)
Lifting Strength: At least Class M (Far stronger than his Base Form), at least Class G with Sage Mode (Stronger than his previous Sage Mode)
Striking Strength: Mountain level (A lot stronger than he was before the war), Island level with Sage Mode (A lot stronger than he was before the war)
Durability: Mountain level (Much more durable than he was before the war), Island level with Sage Mode (Much more durable than he was before the war)
Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (Considerably faster than his previous base), Sub-Relativistic with Sage Mode (Considerably faster than he was before the war. Intercepted the Edo 3rd Raikage's Hell Stab while he was rushing forward [Mach 8740.3 or Mach 39907.597]), with higher reaction speed (Dodged the Edo 3rd Raikage at point-blank range. His reaction speed is faster than it is in Kyūbi Chakra Mode)
Lifting Strength: At least Class M (Far stronger than his Base Form), at least Class G with Sage Mode (Stronger than his previous Sage Mode)
Striking Strength: Mountain level (A lot stronger than he was before the war), Island level with Sage Mode (A lot stronger than he was before the war)
Durability: Mountain level (Much more durable than he was before the war), Island level with Sage Mode (Much more durable than he was before the war)
Agree: AnimesFreak2, Slendveny
Disagree:
Neutral:
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