walter has only had two serious fights with jesse. in the first, he still had cancer, and lost fairly quickly. in the second, he was in remission, and completely dominated jesse. like, jesse barely lands any hits. things don’t start to turn around for jesse until walter gets distracted and jesse uses the opening to pound on him. it’s not like jesse lacks combat skill anyways, he’s been in several fights over the course of the show.
Are there notable descriptions/scans of the fights? And Jesse's profile states that he usually gains the upper hand on Walt, in which that statement should be CRTed.
Even if the fight where Jesse loses actually happened, it would be a stat anomaly. I actually want a bigger sample size of all the fights Walt has been in; 10 max. I want to know if these claims are legit and not unintentional cherry picking fallicies.
walter also overwhelms saul, who had fought howard in an amateur boxing match and mentions having previously had a dojo membership. nothing insane, but he should be above average.
Saul's profile states that he was caught off guard, like if Jesse punched Walt off-guard at full force or if Mike was caught off guard by a normal street thug for example, are they representative at their full potential. I know I'm no expert in martial arts stuff, but his skills were focused on striking, in terms of grappling, he's average.
Now, the reason why I'm not fully disgarding this feat is that Walt has effectively pinned down someone younger than himself. It's still impressive strength wise, but skill is pretty meh.
i debunked that point in my previous post.
In order to fully convince me, you'd need to debunk Lonkitt's claims about Walt's speed in the Walt v Puma thread in more depth (which I linked, but I presume you don't have the time to look at it, which I understand lol). I still don't get how the speed equal stuff is legit.
that says nothing about his actual combat skill. it just means he’s smart enough not to start fights for no reason.
The statement can technically be interpreted as Walt having the motive to not get into fights linking to terrible combat skill. If I was bad at fighting for example, I wouldn't want to get into fights. But I may concede, since the statement Moritzva claimed there is subjective.
walter gets beaten a couple times in the series but none of them can really be attributed to a lack of combat skill
- jesse (first fight): walter was weakened by his cancer, and it's debatable whether he was even trying towards the end considering that he urged jesse to kill him
- jesse (second fight): walter was winning for the majority of the fight, jesse had to fight dirty to gain the upper hand
- walt getting sucker punched by mike and hank doesn't mean anything since he wasn't expecting a physical confrontation and did not attempt to fight back
First+second fight: what episode does it happen at? And why was Walt winning? And wouldn't this second fight conflict with the Walt v Saul feat? Catching Saul off-guard is a dirty move.
What gives you the impression that Walt getting sucker punched by Hank/Mike is a hand-to-hand fight in the first place (if that is what you're assuming)?
skyler: near the end of the series, skyler attacks walter with a knife. walter successfully overpowers and disarms her, even though his cancer had returned with a vengeance and he would have been significantly weaker than before
This feat is pretty moderate. Despite his age, Walt has effectively pinned down Saul; a younger man that should have had higher lifting strength than Walt. Walt was naturally stronger than Skyler. Conversely, knives are hard to disarm in IRL that you're forced to focus on dealing with the knife first.
And I actually watched the full scene through youtube. The fight only concluded with Walt taking the baby (Holly I presume?) and I'm not sure if either parent could've won the fight if they continued fighting.
that also means nothing. no matter how skilled of a combatant you are, a gun will always be more efficient if you want to kill your opponent. even if walter was professionally trained in hand-to-hand combat, he'd still kill people using firearms, because he isn't a complete idiot and he knows that he will just get shot to death if he tries to get into a fistfight with armed criminals
I was copy-pasting stuff lol. Fairplay.
Technically, if Walt's reacts were on par or lower than people of comparable speed, an experienced assailant could just ambush and disarm him before he could react. A gun puts a major limiter on how even effective gun focused combat skills can go.
I was agreeing with the fact that Mike/Hank sucker punching Walt isn't representative of his skill with an example.
