(GRACE) Waltuh fights another doggy, return of the kid named finger (Walter White vs Coyote)

[Deleted member 11410]

Btw, we are using the western coyotes for this versus right? If it is then I vote for Walter, if not I don't think he has enough stamina to go against four big-sized coyotes at same time.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

I mean, the steel denting thing

wiki somehow considers it invalid despite calcs and statements both showing otherwise meaning it obviously cant be correct

 

[Deleted member 11410]

wiki somehow considers it invalid despite calcs and statements both showing otherwise meaning it obviously cant be correct

If it's outlier that needs to be removed, like it's not an outlier, it's an actual feat.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

wiki somehow considers it invalid despite calcs and statements both showing otherwise meaning it obviously cant be correct

It's a 10-A feat since Walt's withstanding hitting his fist into a hard surface. Also, I've read the BB isn't 9-C threads, and 9-C is inconsistent considering that BB is more of a realistic verse. We don't give regular people a 9-C rating because their leg strikes are 9-C. Why should we give Walt the 9-C rating? Like, you're obiously not going to withstand getting curbstomped or kicked in the face at full force. And our arms aren't as robust as our legs.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I don't see Walter winning this btw, the Coyotes are fully bloodlust and outweighs him in quantity, coyotes pack are very strong.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I don't see Walter winning this btw, the Coyotes are fully bloodlust and outweighs him in quantity, coyotes pack are very strong.

Everyone assumes the 10-B Coyotes are much like the 10-C coyotes they have regular antifeats against people even though the profile explicitly says they scale to Huskies. Most users here understandably freaked out and focused on the typical feats of coyotes getting bested by regular people despite the size equivalent to Husky. Though given the current feats, a man can fend off 3 coyotes with a flashlight. Walt can always grab a weapon from his surroundings and given his physical tier, should on paper be able to fight evenly with the coyotes.

Mind you, this isn't taking account to the evidence you sent me into the PMs, which proved that Walt's not fighting weak fodder dogs, he's fighting ones on the level that can seriously harm, overpower and shrug off hits from regular people.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Everyone assumes the 10-B Coyotes are much like the 10-C coyotes they have regular antifeats against people even though the profile explicitly says they scale to Huskies. Most users here understandably freaked out and focused on the typical feats of coyotes getting bested by regular people despite the size equivalent to Husky. Though given the current feats, a man can fend off 3 coyotes with a flashlight. Walt can always grab a weapon from his surroundings and given his physical tier, should on paper be able to fight evenly with the coyotes.

I love how used "Coywolf are bigger than Coyotes" as evidence, like.. bro, Eastern Coyotes are Coywolves

Most coyotes doesn't attack humans, but you literally put all of them bloodlust, meaning that they are going directly to kill Walt who doesn't have any experience on fighting wild animals. Hell, I think that even three coyotes are too much for Walt, I don't see any scenario of an sick human fighting four coyotes going for the throat.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Most coyotes doesn't attack humans, but you literally put all of them bloodlust, meaning that they are going directly to kill Walt who doesn't have any experience on fighting wild animals. Hell, I think that even three coyotes are too much for Walt, I don't see any scenario of an sick human fighting four coyotes going for the throat.

Walt is indeed a sick human, though throughout the scans, is more than willing to put up a quick fight to win until a couple of minutes in when he tires out. Not to mention he has the LS (which he usually relies on to have success) to shake off and easily overpower and kill Husky-sized one with ease. That's considering that Walt's a dude that still pinned down a younger man [Saul] that was trying to regain the upper hand when he wrestled him. And the dogs are the size of a 25 kg Husky

Given Walt's size, it's likely that the coyotes will more likely try to disable Walt by the knee tendons first since they're less likely to get protected. And if you reread the thread, Bigsmoke questioned how being wild will help Walt. He did debunk unpredictability part.

Should I recontact ThePrimalHunter and BigSmoke here for the after grace debate? It seems that they still made fallacies trying to make their case.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Walt is indeed a sick human, though throughout the scans, is more than willing to put up a quick fight to win until a couple of minutes in when he tires out. Not to mention he has the LS (which he usually relies on to have success) to shake off and easily overpower and kill Husky-sized one with ease. That's considering that Walt's a dude that still pinned down a younger man [Saul] that was trying to regain the upper hand when he wrestled him. And the dogs are the size of a 25 kg Husky

These are four coyotes going for the kill. Walt can go against one for them but not against four of them at same time.

Given Walt's size, it's likely that the coyotes will more likely try to disable Walt by the knee tendons first since they're less likely to get protected. And if you reread the thread, Bigsmoke questioned how being wild will help Walt. He did debunk unpredictability part.

Idk from what we are saying that, Walt is not even bloodlust so the desesperation is gonna kill him. Also, as the thread says that many quantity of coyotes outweighs Walt while they are attacking at every side.

Should I recontact ThePrimalHunter and BigSmoke here for the after grace debate? It seems that they still made fallacies trying to make their case.

If you want

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Mind you, this isn't taking account to the evidence you sent me into the PMs, which proved that Walt's not fighting weak fodder dogs, he's fighting ones on the level that can seriously harm, overpower and shrug off hits from regular people.

this doesnt seem very fair

 

[H3110l12345I20]

this doesnt seem very fair

Wut. I thought you were on the side said that coyotes have weak 10-B stuff.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

It's a 10-A feat since Walt's withstanding hitting his fist into a hard surface.

according to official trivia walt’s actor would have broken his hand if they didn’t use a fake prop dispenser. walt’s hands withstood enough energy to break bone, which is 9-C according to common feat references

Also, I've read the BB isn't 9-C threads, and 9-C is inconsistent considering that BB is more of a realistic verse. We don't give regular people a 9-C rating because their leg strikes are 9-C. Why should we give Walt the 9-C rating? Like, you're obiously not going to withstand getting curbstomped or kicked in the face at full force. And our arms aren't as robust as our legs.

??? 9-C breaking bad has nothing to do with leg strikes?? what are you talking about

breaking bad is 9-C because

1. in the second season jesse was fine after an extensive beating from tuco; tuco was able to casually kill a thug and knock mike unconscious with similar beatings and both he and mike scale a fair amount above baseline 9-C
2. walter dented a towel dispenser which would normally break an average human’s hand on impact, this has been calced to 9-C
3. jesse survived falling headfirst onto concrete from a second story window, this has also been calced to 9-C
4. jesse survives getting slammed through wood structures hard enough to break them on two separate occasions (both need calcs tho)
5. walter should be comparable to heisenbones
6. saul is able to easily shatter windows with his strikes

it aint got nothin to do with leg strikes ..

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Wut. I thought you were on the side said that coyotes have weak 10-B stuff.

i’m sorry…i know its against the rules to use new information to form your perspective..next time i will stonewall you at every turn like a normal user

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Wut. I thought you were on the side said that coyotes have weak 10-B stuff.

Five coyotes are too much for an human with weakness, the coyotes will bite him in every part and Walt doesn't have enough lifting strength to fight five wild animals at same time. I suggest changing it to three coyotes to be more fair.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Five coyotes are too much for an human with weakness, the coyotes will bite him in every part and Walt doesn't have enough lifting strength to fight five wild animals at same time. I suggest changing it to three coyotes to be more fair.

coyote pack reduced to 3 coyotes.

i’m sorry…i know its against the rules to use new information to form your perspective..next time i will stonewall you at every turn like a normal user

You don't have to stay on one side. You can switch sides as long as your overall arguments are logical.

according to official trivia walt’s actor would have broken his hand if they didn’t use a fake prop dispenser. walt’s hands withstood enough energy to break bone, which is 9-C according to common feat references

??? 9-C breaking bad has nothing to do with leg strikes?? what are you talking about

breaking bad is 9-C because

1. in the second season jesse was fine after an extensive beating from tuco; tuco was able to casually kill a thug and knock mike unconscious with similar beatings and both he and mike scale a fair amount above baseline 9-C
2. walter dented a towel dispenser which would normally break an average human’s hand on impact, this has been calced to 9-C
3. jesse survived falling headfirst onto concrete from a second story window, this has also been calced to 9-C
4. jesse survives getting slammed through wood structures hard enough to break them on two separate occasions (both need calcs tho)
5. walter should be comparable to heisenbones
6. saul is able to easily shatter windows with his strikes

it aint got nothin to do with leg strikes ..

1: ??? While I technically didn't watch all 5 seasons, I made it to the end of the first one. How was Jesse unharmed/unaffected by Tuco's beating? Gus survived his explosion.

2: "A boxer’s fracture is a broken bone in your hand. Boxer’s fractures get their name for how they usually happen — punching something hard with a closed fist. They’re a common sports injury, but can also happen when you punch a wall or other hard surface when you’re angry or frustrated." you only need 10-B energy to harm your own hand striking against the wall. You're asking tier 10-B to have a higher high-end and 10-A to have a higher baseline.

3: Calc/scan? Regular people's kicks are calced to be 9-C that's why leg strikes are relevant.

4: How much was he unharmed/unaffected? Gus survived his own death explosion.

5: Joke, or are you serious? lol.

6: So can regular people too

 

[H3110l12345I20]

As for evidence for eastern coyote being robust, they're part wolf, and larger than their western cousins. And one didn't seem affected getting tased by a taser meant to subdue men. More evidence will come soon if Deleted Username allows it.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

i’m sorry…i know its against the rules to use new information to form your perspective..next time i will stonewall you at every turn like a normal user

bump; I think we have unfinished business here.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

1: ??? While I technically didn't watch all 5 seasons, I made it to the end of the first one. How was Jesse unharmed/unaffected by Tuco's beating? Gus survived his explosion.

i said it was in the second season
suggestion!! watch the damn show

2: "A boxer’s fracture is a broken bone in your hand. Boxer’s fractures get their name for how they usually happen — punching something hard with a closed fist. They’re a common sports injury, but can also happen when you punch a wall or other hard surface when you’re angry or frustrated." you only need 10-B energy to harm your own hand striking against the wall. You're asking tier 10-B to have a higher high-end and 10-A to have a higher baseline.

idk what to tell you, common feats page says it takes 9-C energy to break bone. walters case is also notable because instead of breaking his hand he. dents the wall hes punching

3: Calc/scan?

breaking bad season 1 episode 1. walter is alone in hanks car at a drug bust. then he looks over at a window and sees jesser fall out. and hes like “oh my god”. and then he sees a naked chick in the window throwing jesses clothes at him. and hes like “oh my god”. youve at least seen the first episode so you should know what i’m talking about

Regular people's kicks are calced to be 9-C that's why leg strikes are relevant.

leg strikes and regular peoples kicks have absolutely nothing to do with jesse tumbling out of a window

4: How much was he unharmed/unaffected?

first time was when tuco beat him up in the second season, jesse was fine afterwards, moving normally (he and walter also had to travel for hours through the desert back to civilization after this) with no visible injuries iirc

second time was during his fight with walter in the fourth season. he was a bit bruised afterwards but those are the extent of his injuries and the vast majority were sustained from walter just punching him

Gus survived his own death explosion.

why are you using such a nonsensical analogy for information you dont even have

6: So can regular people too

did you just link someone punching through a goddamn car windshield as an example of what an average man can do

i agree, if there is any recorded instance of a human doing something that means the average person can do it too. with that in mind i dare you to try to smash your elbow through a pane of glass like saul did. rn

 

[H3110l12345I20]

idk what to tell you, common feats page says it takes 9-C energy to break bone. walters case is also notable because instead of breaking his hand he. dents the wall hes punching

Since regular people can break the bones of their hand, the baseline of 10-B should be raised upwards to 10 KJ. The energy it takes to break bone should be 10-B.

leg strikes and regular peoples kicks have absolutely nothing to do with jesse tumbling out of a window

One of your lines of reasoning says "X feat calcs to this level, therefore X character is this level" on a show that's more realistic. You know how wrong the durability calc on Walt surviving throwing the meth on the floor is. That can be an outlier. But so far, BB's feats should be 10-B since regular people can break the bones of their hands.

first time was when tuco beat him up in the second season, jesse was fine afterwards, moving normally (he and walter also had to travel for hours through the desert back to civilization after this) with no visible injuries iirc

second time was during his fight with walter in the fourth season. he was a bit bruised afterwards but those are the extent of his injuries and the vast majority were sustained from walter just punching him

If Jesse scales to Tuco, then can he harm or overpower him or people on the latter's level?

did you just link someone punching through a goddamn car windshield as an example of what an average man can do

i agree, if there is any recorded instance of a human doing something that means the average person can do it too. with that in mind i dare you to try to smash your elbow through a pane of glass like saul did. rn

Well, due to common sense, neither of us are going to test stuff on the level of striking glass, like how neither of us will test closing our eyes and punching a wall at full force to see if regular people can break their bones. With the latter point in mind, since the latter won't be personally tested by either of us, we shouldn't use Walt's metal dispenser feat since it has an unproven claim that it would've broken the average person's hand.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

i said it was in the second season
suggestion!! watch the damn show

idk what to tell you, common feats page says it takes 9-C energy to break bone. walters case is also notable because instead of breaking his hand he. dents the wall hes punching

breaking bad season 1 episode 1. walter is alone in hanks car at a drug bust. then he looks over at a window and sees jesser fall out. and hes like “oh my god”. and then he sees a naked chick in the window throwing jesses clothes at him. and hes like “oh my god”. youve at least seen the first episode so you should know what i’m talking about

leg strikes and regular peoples kicks have absolutely nothing to do with jesse tumbling out of a window

first time was when tuco beat him up in the second season, jesse was fine afterwards, moving normally (he and walter also had to travel for hours through the desert back to civilization after this) with no visible injuries iirc

second time was during his fight with walter in the fourth season. he was a bit bruised afterwards but those are the extent of his injuries and the vast majority were sustained from walter just punching him

why are you using such a nonsensical analogy for information you dont even have

did you just link someone punching through a goddamn car windshield as an example of what an average man can do

i agree, if there is any recorded instance of a human doing something that means the average person can do it too. with that in mind i dare you to try to smash your elbow through a pane of glass like saul did. rn

bump

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Necro.

I wanted to ironically melt my brain cells debating with bigsmoke the meme man. Apparently he's still not responding at this point.

Coyotes and dogs are both related canids. Labradors are practically within range of the 10-C to 10-B area, and they've been shown to take kicks from people and be fine. And regular people can overpower 10-B dogs like american pit bulls. However, the sheer weight advantage and tier of walt would balence this fight out since the dogs aren't really fighting an average man wtih average strength, and coyotes themselves don't really have too good 10-B feats despite being at the size of a husky.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

vs debating is very draining for me at this point i sometimes need very long breaks and then never return

 

[H3110l12345I20]

vs debating is very draining for me at this point i sometimes need very long breaks and then never return

Understandable. If you don't want to debate stuff that would melt people's brains. You always have the option not to. this wiki is a hobby after all.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I almost forgot. Grace. It's about time this match is added to both profiles in 24 hrs.