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(GRACE) Waltuh fights another doggy, return of the kid named finger (Walter White vs Coyote)

I don't see any way for Walter to loose here and honestly I don't even see why Coyotes are 10-B to begin with. Virtually any human stronger than a 10 year old can overpower and kill one. Since the 1970s, there has only ever been 2 confirmed humans to have been killed by a coyote. One of them was a 3 year old and the other was a group of coywolves (which are larger and more dangerous than normal coyotes) who cornered and killed a defensless teenage girl. In the past 50 years, those are the only 2 people who have ever died to a coyote.

Toddlers can survive attacks from them without fatal injuries and completely average people can fight off packs of them easily.

Here's a man who easily killed a coyote with his bare hands to protect his 2 year old son

Here's a 58 year old man who killed a coyote

This dude picks up a coyote and litteraly throws it in the trash

According to wikipedia, there are cases of people fighting of coyotes, one of them faught off 4 coyotes with a walking stick. And one girl was apparently attacked by 8-10 coyotes and was alive afterwards

Hell, one of my friends was attacked by a coyote when he was 14 and he damn near killed it with a single kick

And my 60 year old uncle allegedly also nearly killed a coyote in like 2-3 attacks (Granted this can be taken with a grain of salt, he could've easily been exaterating. But point is, my 60 year old uncle faught off a coyote)

I honestly don't see how Walter can ever loose this. He would ******* murder that coyote effortlessly, and I'm honestly on the brink of calling this a stomp
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
The heaviest ones are at the size of a Husky. That's one of the reasons why they're 10-B. Also, they're wild animals.
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I'm as heavy as Alex Perez but that doesn't mean I'm anywhere close in strength to him. And this one dog killed 8 coyotes solo, so I don't see how Coyotes are at all comparable to normal dogs.

Also Huskies really shouldn't be 10-B, average humans overpower dogs all the time, and the only way those dogs stand a chance against humans in a fight is with their bites. My 5' 3" 125 lbs mom once was working with a german shepard (she's a vet) and the dog lunged at her. She was able to stop the lunge and overpower the dog solo and pin it to the ground. She can't even bench press 100 lbs and yet she could overpower a german shepard, who's definetly comparable to a husky. And when I was 13 and WAY skinnier and less athletic I could overpower my black mouth curr who's dog aggressive. He was in full aggression mode and a barely 100 lbs 13 year old me could overpower and restraign him, and black mouth currs are also simular in size to huskies.

Also what does them being wild animals have to do with anything? That won't stop Walter from just picking it up by the tail and pulling a "puny god" on it
H3110l12345I20 said:
I can add more coyotes to where they would be over the weight of an 84 kg man.
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I mean, if you want to you can, but honestly seeing how easily Walter could curbstomp them I think Walter still wins here. A 10-B dude faught off 3 coyotes, I see no reason why Walter couldn't fight off a 4th or 5th. Again, Wikipedia in one of the above coyote attacks said that a man faught off 4 coyotes with a walking cane. The man having a cane implies he is rather old and needs assistance to walk, yet he could fight off 4 coyotes
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
I'm as heavy as Alex Perez but that doesn't mean I'm anywhere close in strength to him. And this one dog killed 8 coyotes solo, so I don't see how Coyotes are at all comparable to normal dogs.

Also Huskies really shouldn't be 10-B, average humans overpower dogs all the time, and the only way those dogs stand a chance against humans in a fight is with their bites. My 5' 3" 125 lbs mom once was working with a german shepard (she's a vet) and the dog lunged at her. She was able to stop the lunge and overpower the dog solo and pin it to the ground. She can't even bench press 100 lbs and yet she could overpower a german shepard, who's definetly comparable to a husky. And when I was 13 and WAY skinnier and less athletic I could overpower my black mouth curr who's dog aggressive. He was in full aggression mode and a barely 100 lbs 13 year old me could overpower and restraign him, and black mouth currs are also simular in size to huskies.

Also what does them being wild animals have to do with anything? That won't stop Walter from just picking it up by the tail and pulling a "puny god" on it

I mean, if you want to you can, but honestly seeing how easily Walter could curbstomp them I think Walter still wins here. A 10-B dude faught off 3 coyotes, I see no reason why Walter couldn't fight off a 4th or 5th. Again, Wikipedia in one of the above coyote attacks said that a man faught off 4 coyotes with a walking cane. The man having a cane implies he is rather old and needs assistance to walk, yet he could fight off 4 coyotes
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Coyotes do have evidence that they can physically contend with 10-B animals. Huskies are more robust pound-by-pound since they're bred to pull weights heavier than themselves, and they can trade bites with and withstand pitbull attacks, and pitbulls are 10-B on-site. Being wild animals mean that you have a level of unpredictability and higher natural strength, but I concede here, since now being a wild animal alone isn't going to help the coyotes alone.

Also, I prefer news stories/credible sources that support your personal stories, as otherwise, they're just ancedotal story-fallacy, something. I can't remember the fallacy.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
Coyotes do have evidence that they can physically contend with 10-B animals. Huskies are more robust pound-by-pound since they're bred to pull weights heavier than themselves, and they can trade bites with and withstand pitbull attacks, and pitbulls are 10-B on-site. Being wild animals mean that you have a level of unpredictability and higher natural strength, but I concede here, since now being a wild animal alone isn't going to help the coyotes alone.
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Saying feats that Huskies have doesn't really prove that Coyotes are as strong as them. And coyotes are constantly beat by 10-B animals because humans defeat them all the time
H3110l12345I20 said:
Also, I prefer news stories/credible sources that support your personal stories, as otherwise, they're just ancedotal story-fallacy, something. I can't remember the fallacy.
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That is entirley understandable tbh. So, here's the news stories for you

Teenager kills police German Shepherd
Jogger kills savage dog attacking him & his kid
Elderly man fights off a Tibetan Mastiff (which are heavier than huskies) for more than 30 minutes
Man sevearly injures police German Shepherd
Man stays on his feet after a German Shepherd sprints at him full speed
Another man easily staying on his feet & competing with a german shepherd
Regular man overpowering 2 dogs (that suit is only protecting him from bite wounds, not making him stronger or anything) (Clip is from a reality TV show where they actually did have to overpower dogs for one of the challenges so this is legit)
Another man from that TV show doing the same thing (granted with far more difficulty)
So again, 10-B humans can overpower large dogs that put coyotes to shame, so a 10-A human like Walter would easily defeat the coyote
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Saying feats that Huskies have doesn't really prove that Coyotes are as strong as them. And coyotes are constantly beat by 10-B animals because humans defeat them all the time
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Another detail to note is that Huskies and Coyotes are both canids. That's another reason why they're scaled to each other, they're mostly similar animals with a mostly similar anatomy. If the Coyotes should stop being 10-B, then I'll need to get more evidence saying that their physical builds are too different in strength.

I also have Coyotes beating sheep, but either of us can explain how they do it at 10-C strength lol. You don't need to explain away how they overpower sheep
ThePrimalHunter said:
So again, 10-B humans can overpower large dogs that put coyotes to shame, so a 10-A human like Walter would easily defeat the coyote
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Interesting. This will actually help in future IRL CRTs. Thank you.

That's a lotta feats you linked, although I'll read through them later since context is everything. Though to start: This feat of a man biting a dog's ear you linked isn't sheer raw power as per site IRL standards. A coyote can bite off a person's ear too. Ear durability doesn't scale to overall durability.

Though to get a more realistic perspective, dog antifeats shouldn't be entirely focused. We should also focus on dog feats. We have pitbulls that can kill, easily maul and overpower people and german shepard do have training and strength that can help them overpower criminals.

German Shepards are K-9s due to their strength/size and loyalty, they can cause pain to a pitbull with their bites and they can be trained to overpower criminals. Pitbulls are naturally vicious and can quite easily maul a woman and drag her body surprisingly quickly.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
Being wild animals mean that you have a level of unpredictability and higher natural strength
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how. like aside from being described with the term "wild" how is a wild animal more unpredictable

animal behavior is literally recorded and studied because IT IS PREDICTABLE. humans are less predictable if anything, they have the intelligence necessary to devise plans which their enemies cannot predict. wild animals just. bite, and kick. maybe they're in a frenzy but this isnt a manga so fighting in a blind rage like an idiot actually makes you super predictable

wild animals are only thought to be "unpredictable" because when someone sees something like a bear they have no way of knowing whether or not it's gonna rip their throat out, and that scares them. it doesn't make animals any less difficult to predict if they actually do choose to attack.

bears are actually a great example because they have consistent, recorded attack patterns, which is about as predictable as you can get

and how do they inherently have "higher natural strength"? what does that even mean in a situation like this, where the animal in question has a disadvantage in strength? flies are wild animals, do they have "higher natural strength"? how about snails? or rats? sure, specific species can be super strong, but you cannot possibly apply that to every wild animal. coyotes are weaker than humans, and them being "wild animals" changes absolutely nothing about that.
H3110l12345I20 said:
Another detail to note is that Huskies and Coyotes are both canids. That's another reason why they're scaled to each other, they're mostly similar animals with a mostly similar anatomy. If the Coyotes should stop being 10-B, then I'll need to get more evidence saying that their physical builds are too different in strength.
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so you're scaling them to each other because they look similar and they're part of a biological family which also includes both grey wolves and chihuahuas
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
how. like aside from being described with the term "wild" how is a wild animal more unpredictable

animal behavior is literally recorded and studied because IT IS PREDICTABLE. humans are less predictable if anything, they have the intelligence necessary to devise plans which their enemies cannot predict. wild animals just. bite, and kick. maybe they're in a frenzy but this isnt a manga so fighting in a blind rage like an idiot actually makes you super predictable

wild animals are only thought to be "unpredictable" because when someone sees something like a bear they have no way of knowing whether or not it's gonna rip their throat out, and that scares them. it doesn't make animals any less difficult to predict if they actually do choose to attack.

bears are actually a great example because they have consistent, recorded attack patterns, which is about as predictable as you can get

and how do they inherently have "higher natural strength"? what does that even mean in a situation like this, where the animal in question has a disadvantage in strength? flies are wild animals, do they have "higher natural strength"? how about snails? or rats? sure, specific species can be super strong, but you cannot possibly apply that to every wild animal. coyotes are weaker than humans, and them being "wild animals" changes absolutely nothing about that.
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I didn't say that animals aren't predictable at all, I'm saying that they have unpredictability like in the way you said. Like how I know that Grizzly Bear maulings can get to a level of unpredictability due to their anger since it's stated to be on the official VSBW Grizzly Bear page. Though they still will try to aim for your jaws in self-defense.

Wild animals can get very aggressive and dangerous, and big superhuman aggressive animals usually come to mind. Meh I'll concede here since even though Dogs can be more robust pound-by-pound, we all know that.
BigSmoke4269 said:
so you're scaling them to each other because they look similar and they're part of a biological family which also includes both grey wolves and chihuahuas
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Huskies can be physically similar to wolves, and coyotes are in the same biological family. Your summary of my and DarlingAurora's conclusions are correct. Disputing the scaling at this area would mean that the difference between Coyotes and Huskies are too different in strength. CRT worthy if you ask me.
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
That is entirley understandable tbh. So, here's the news stories for you

Teenager kills police German Shepherd
Jogger kills savage dog attacking him & his kid
Elderly man fights off a Tibetan Mastiff (which are heavier than huskies) for more than 30 minutes
Man sevearly injures police German Shepherd
Man stays on his feet after a German Shepherd sprints at him full speed
Another man easily staying on his feet & competing with a german shepherd
Regular man overpowering 2 dogs (that suit is only protecting him from bite wounds, not making him stronger or anything) (Clip is from a reality TV show where they actually did have to overpower dogs for one of the challenges so this is legit)
Another man from that TV show doing the same thing (granted with far more difficulty)
So again, 10-B humans can overpower large dogs that put coyotes to shame, so a 10-A human like Walter would easily defeat the coyote
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Teenager kills police German Shepherd
Jogger kills savage dog attacking him & his kid
  • Breed was unknown. Needs context
Elderly man fights off a Tibetan Mastiff (which are heavier than huskies) for more than 30 minutes
Man sevearly injures police German Shepherd
  • The injury was only on the ear as previously stated. Not representative of an animal's overall build since Ear flesh isn't the same as a torso's stronger muscles and bones.
"Man stays on his feet after a German Shepherd sprints at him full speed
Another man easily staying on his feet & competing with a german shepherd"
"Regular man overpowering 2 dogs (that suit is only protecting him from bite wounds, not making him stronger or anything) (Clip is from a reality TV show where they actually did have to overpower dogs for one of the challenges so this is legit)
Another man from that TV show doing the same thing (granted with far more difficulty)"
  • I decided to watch the surrounding episode at timestamps 12-22m. 5 contestants lost (and said uncle) while 4 got to the door though strength or willpower.
    • Scan 1 involved a firefighter, not just an average man. And I'm pretty sure most people know that firefighters need physical training and conditioning to do their daily work.
    • A more accurate measure would be with feats to regular people that don't have too much strengthening training, and not too much combat experience. Scan 2 involved a regular man, though it should be noted that the attack dogs still pulled him down.
  • The reality show example is a bit skewed though, since strength in numbers isn't representative of an individual animal's strength.
 
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I'm going to put this to the test really. There's technically not an online feat that says a regular person can fend off 4-5 coyotes with a melee weapon. So I decided to change the OP to reflect the coyotes' strength and to bloodlust all of them rather than Walt.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
I didn't say that animals aren't predictable at all, I'm saying that they have unpredictability like in the way you said. Like how I know that Grizzly Bear maulings can get to a level of unpredictability due to their anger since it's stated to be on the official VSBW Grizzly Bear page. Though they still will try to aim for your jaws in self-defense.
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yeah you’re confusing unpredictability for aggression. it’s way easier to predict what a bear will do in a fight compared to what a human would do. the difference is that you’re ******** your pants against the bear because it can pop your skull like a melon and you just pissed it off
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
yeah you’re confusing unpredictability for aggression. it’s way easier to predict what a bear will do in a fight compared to what a human would do. the difference is that you’re ******** your pants against the bear because it can pop your skull like a melon and you just pissed it off
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? wdym?
"They tend to be unpredictable when angry & human maulings tend to result in serious injury or death in many cases"

I said "unpredictability due to their anger", not that they're the same thing. I even used your bear attack scan to support the quote above wayy before we're on a major concern of coyotes's 10-B rating being questioned. Tell me where you got the the notion I mistaken the 2 as the same thing.

I mean I'll change the quote in a future CRT since the section says "unpredictable in temperament". Speaking of which: "Although animals may look or act tame, they are wild and may change quickly and unpredictably from passive or “friendly” to aggressive behavior." I mean sure, the coyotes are bloodlusted. What's going to happen if a coyote or 2 decides to change direction in a split second. The coyotes can still quickly shift from one predictable behavior to a largely less predictable one like regular wild animals do.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
? wdym?
"They tend to be unpredictable when angry & human maulings tend to result in serious injury or death in many cases"
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their attacks are predictable. their attack patterns have been studied and recorded. they are unpredictable in that it is difficult to know when they will attack because their mood can change quickly. your second quote supports this
H3110l12345I20 said:
I mean I'll change the quote in a future CRT since the section says "unpredictable in temperament". Speaking of which: "Although animals may look or act tame, they are wild and may change quickly and unpredictably from passive or “friendly” to aggressive behavior."
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that’s when theyre not in a fight… once an animal attacks it is not very difficult to predict what it will do… it is only difficult to predict whether it will attack or not. which is literally what your quote is saying
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
their attacks are predictable. their attack patterns have been studied and recorded. they are unpredictable in that it is difficult to know when they will attack because their mood can change quickly. your second quote supports this

that’s when theyre not in a fight… once an animal attacks it is not very difficult to predict what it will do… it is only difficult to predict whether it will attack or not. which is literally what your quote is saying
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The reason why they're unpredictable is that they don't give off specific gestures and warnings. And since your point is stronger. How is Walt going to predict the canids? Walt doesn't have prior knowledge of their attack patterns. Do the canids give off signs of their next move midfight? Bloodlust gives the canids nothing to lose, they're not going to hesitate and attack one-by-one. One can attack from behind or 2 can attack from multiple places at once. Has an IRL human with a weapon dealt with such a situation?

As for the scan of the man fighting 3 coyotes, the dude had a flashlight. Has walt in-character taken an object from his surroundings and used the object as an improvised weapon? Unlike the fight with Skyler, he's not going to have random knife holder with a knife on it 1 m away from him, or as far as to have knives haphazardly lying on the ground.
 
H3110l12345I20 said:
How is Walt going to predict the canids? Walt doesn't have prior knowledge of their attack patterns. Do the canids give off signs of their next move midfight?
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all they can do is. run. and bite. not hard to predict
H3110l12345I20 said:
Bloodlust gives the canids nothing to lose, they're not going to hesitate and attack one-by-one. One can attack from behind or 2 can attack from multiple places at once.
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yeahhh i think walter fighting more coyotes than he has limbs is a bit unfair
H3110l12345I20 said:
Has an IRL human with a weapon dealt with such a situation?
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its funny because you literally mention an example of this happening immediately after saying this
H3110l12345I20 said:
As for the scan of the man fighting 3 coyotes, the dude had a flashlight. Has walt in-character taken an object from his surroundings and used the object as an improvised weapon?
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yeah

this is really silly but he uses a bunch of stuff laying around the lab to try killing a fly and eventually makes a flyswatter out of scraps, knocks jesse to the ground with it

theres also plenty of times where he uses his chem expertise to make weapons out of mundane household objects and stuff in his chemistry classroom (not exactly the same thing but shows hes not stupid and will use surrounding items as weapons)

either way a flashlight has no range and would only affect striking strength, which walter has on his own anyways
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
theres also plenty of times where he uses his chem expertise to make weapons out of mundane household objects and stuff in his chemistry classroom (not exactly the same thing but shows hes not stupid and will use surrounding items as weapons)

either way a flashlight has no range and would only affect striking strength, which walter has on his own anyways
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With how light & small Coyotes are, Walter could unironically pick one of them up and start swinging them as a weapon
 
Apparently cancer didn't stop Heisenburg from getting 10-A. While coyotes can be around the size of a husky, their bulk isn't as concentrated, and nothing in the coyote's profile indicates that they could do the same thing huskies can do. Apparently coyotes can even have trouble with humans, although that didn't stop them from harming people.

Just throwing my two cents here, I think I'll go with Heisenburg for the rest of the reasons in the thread.
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
what can walter do if he has coyotes biting down on each limb
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LItteraly just shake them off. Or just strangle them. Or beat them to death. They're light enough that Walter could just grab one by its hind legs and swing it around and pretty much turn himself into a bayblade with the coyote as a weapon

Again, this one dog 1 v 11 a group of coyotes and killed 8 of them, and I doubt this dog would be any higher than 10-A. Pretty confident Walter could pull a simular feat

If the regular dude could fend off 3 coyotes, I think Walter, who's decently stronger than the average man, could fend off 4 of them
 
Look, I'm not saying that the smol dogs would beat Walt 9/10, here, I'll say that they do have a 3/10 wincon by cutting walt's leg tendons off, and harrassing Walt into life-threatening injuries.

Coyotes hamstring (or cut the tendons of) the legs, then harrass prey until it falls down. That's how they're able to take down animals far above 10-A with their bite.

The number of coyotes in this match is above the man's feat of soloing 3 coyotes with a flashlight, but I'll keep the 5 coyotes since it's not far above the man's feat. I still see the small chance of the coyotes winning since they have hospitalized and killed a 19-year-old girl at least once. Though I still see Walt winning via size.
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
LItteraly just shake them off. Or just strangle them. Or beat them to death. They're light enough that Walter could just grab one by its hind legs and swing it around and pretty much turn himself into a bayblade with the coyote as a weapon
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just checked the profile and the coyotes have below average human lifting strength so this should be true tbh.. voting wlater fra
ThePrimalHunter said:
Again, this one dog 1 v 11 a group of coyotes and killed 8 of them, and I doubt this dog would be any higher than 10-A.
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shoutout to this dog btw. hes awesome 😎
H3110l12345I20 said:
Look, I'm not saying that the smol dogs would beat Walt 9/10, here, I'll say that they do have a 3/10 wincon by cutting walt's leg tendons off, and harrassing Walt into life-threatening injuries.
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yea this is true, even one coyote can have a slight chance at piercing a vital so i dont think walter can really stomp here
 
i could beat walter up because i was fine after i accidentally dropped a dumbbell on my face today and i calculated that its gravitational potential energy would have been athlete level+ compared to walters measly athlete level
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
i could beat walter up because i was fine after i accidentally dropped a dumbbell on my face today and i calculated that its gravitational potential energy would have been athlete level+ compared to walters measly athlete level
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Bro Walter isn’t immediately going to crumble to dust after being hit in the face with a barbell, besides most human beings have 9-C durability as a base anyways.
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
i could beat walter up because i was fine after i accidentally dropped a dumbbell on my face today and i calculated that its gravitational potential energy would have been athlete level+ compared to walters measly athlete level
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Pretty sure that the steel thing is like 9-C
 
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