{Grace} Waltuh White vs The Succ (0 - 7 - 0)

[Redite250]

Well but it is an explosion, so he doesn't have to throw it exactly right, it's an incon though unlikely that he'll get a hit in, so it's not a stomp.

 

[AThe1412]

Well but it is an explosion, so he doesn't have to throw it exactly right, it's an incon though unlikely that he'll get a hit in, so it's not a stomp.

Blowing himself up along with the monster also counts as an inconclusive I think.

 

[Redite250]

Blowing himself up along with the monster also counts as an inconclusive I think.

Is that the most likely thing to happen here?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Is that the most likely thing to happen here?

Anything that would damage the lab is out of character for Walt, but a wincon beingh aout of character don't mean It's a stomp, if walt want he could just set explosives at the door to trigger the moment the succ enters so he isn't this much affected, but he will not sinse There is a chance of damage the lab

 

[Redite250]

And Walt is a logical guy, he would probably assume the Succ is affected by poison and would prefer the option of filling up the lab with toxic gas rather than blow everything up imo, which would backfire because the Succ has no biology

 

[JustANormalLemon]

And Walt is a logical guy, he would probably assume the Succ is affected by poison and would prefer the option of filling up the lab with toxic gas rather than blow everything up imo, which would backfire because the Succ has no biology

Yup, Not a stomp just a decisive win thanks to Walter character

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I don't think we see the whole layout of the lab in the show, but isn't it underground with the only exit being a single door? Assuming this is where the Succ comes from, how would Walt outmaneuver it to leave the lab? If he doesn't play his cards right he would blow himself up along with the Succ

There's a regular entry door behind one of the dryers in the laundry facility, then there's a freight elevator that supplies come in from, which is where he entered from when freeing Jesse. He can theoretically rig up the entrances with explosives and tiptoe out of one when he hears the succ beginning to break in through the other

 

[Redite250]

There's a regular entry door behind one of the dryers in the laundry facility, then there's a freight elevator that supplies come in from, which is where he entered from when freeing Jesse. He can theoretically rig up the entrances with explosives and tiptoe out of one when he hears the succ beginning to break in through the other

Alright so that makes it a lot easier for Walt if he decides to go nuclear and blow up Gus' lab, question is would he do that? He would also need to time it so that just as the Succ is within range he would set off the explosives and be outside of their range, so probably something like the trick he used to blow up Gus' lab in the actual show with the exposed wire

 

[SheevShezarrine]

All told tho I'm gonna vote the succ 6/10 times cuz it has valid wincons and honestly Waltuh getting defeated by The Sloppy is honestly too funny to not vote in favor of

 

[Redite250]

Waltuh bump

 

[Redite250]

Waltuh bump 2

 

[Redite250]

Mistuh white bump

 

[AThe1412]

The vacuum seal double hand twist gawk gawk 3000 FRA.

 

[Redite250]

Vacuum demon bump

 

[BigSmoke4269]

if your only wincon is out of character and your in-character action is completely useless then yeah i think it becomes a stomp

waltuh should probably be bloodlusted

 

[Redite250]

if your only wincon is out of character and your in-character action is completely useless then yeah i think it becomes a stomp

waltuh should probably be bloodlusted

To be fair, Walt used explosions more than he used gas poison, so both are pretty likely to happen, he just definitely loses if he goes with gas, and probably loses if he decides to blow shit up.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

he wouldnt blow up gus’s lab at this point in the series so its out of character

 

[Redite250]

I dunno, does bloodlusting change the result of the battle? I think Walt still gets clapped most of the time

 

[JustANormalLemon]

if your only wincon is out of character and your in-character action is completely useless then yeah i think it becomes a stomp

Nop, havig a outofcharacter wincondition neates stomp

 

[BigSmoke4269]

I dunno, does bloodlusting change the result of the battle? I think Walt still gets clapped most of the time

never said it changes the result i just think its a stomp the way things are so bloodlusting would make it more fair

Nop, havig a outofcharacter wincondition neates stomp

wheres that from

 

[Redite250]

Well idk if a wincon being out of character makes it a stomp or not, I'll bloodlust Walt if I have to

 

[JustANormalLemon]

wheres that from

2 things:

1. This has been a thing sinse I entered the wiki and has a good amount of added battles that fall on this situation
2. Never is stated that this is a stomp thread condition

1. There is a great a mount of battles where one of the characters had only Out of character wincondition, this has been reinforced(at least in the battles I have seen so far) sinse I been in the wiki

2. Examples of a Stomp​

   • Aeon (Castlevania) versus Dialga with speed equalization. Both may have a similar time manipulation emphasis, but the sheer difference in tiers makes the level of their power completely different. Note how even a small tier gap can be massive (Like 2-A to 2-B or low end 5-B to 5-A).
   • Superman (Red Son) versus Doctor Doom with speed equalization. Both may have the same statistics, but their abilities make it one-sided towards Doctor Doom.
   • High 6-A Golden King versus X-Man with speed equalization. While both have similar statistics and incredible abilities, Golden King's passive abilities make it so that no matter the circumstances or chance, Golden King will always win.

3. Common Examples of a Decisive/Non-Stomp Match​

   • Both characters have several methods of winning, including options that allow them to win instantly. However, one character can reliably use/activate their winning move(s) first.
   • One character has more ways to win than the other, but the other character wins more times than not due to matchup specifics that allow/cause them to use their winning move(s) immediately.
   • Both characters are otherwise evenly matched in terms of statistics and abilities, but one has regeneration that the other can possibly, but not easily, surmount.
   • One character having a level of regeneration that prevents them from being killed, but the other has an ability that would allow them to win despite the former's level of regeneration, such as mind manipulation, soul manipulation, etc...

 

[Redite250]

2 things:

1. This has been a thing sinse I entered the wiki and has a good amount of added battles that fall on this situation
2. Never is stated that this is a stomp thread condition

I think this would fall in the second category of non-stomp, Walt can win but his personality makes it so that he will probably not go with the option that allows him to win

 

[JustANormalLemon]

That's correct

 

[Redite250]

waltuh bump
waltuh

 

[Redite250]

waltuh bump

 

[Redite250]

bumping bad

 

[Mariogoods]

Succ FRA.

 

[Redite250]

That's 2 more votes until grace and until the beginning of the Succ sweep

 

[Redite250]

Bump

 

[Redite250]

bump

 

[Redite250]

bump

 

[Redite250]

waltuh bump

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Sloppy Toppy FRA

 

[Redite250]

And to finish it off, I'll vote for the Succ FRA, which makes it grace.

 

[Redite250]

Grace for this has been over for a while, so I guess it can be added now

 

[Tou_aperceber]

Why is it out of character for Walt to blow it up? This is Heisenberg, he does anything to win

 

[Redite250]

His destroying the lab would cripple his empire, so altough he would do it if he absolutely had to it certainly wouldn't be the first thing in his mind

 

[Tou_aperceber]

His destroying the lab would cripple his empire, so altough he would do it if he absolutely had to it certainly wouldn't be the first thing in his mind

Him not destroying it and dying would likewise cripple his empire, and if he kills it and destroys the lab, all he has to do is ask Gus to rebuild it. But it's already over, so do what you wish

 

[Redite250]

Him not destroying it and dying would likewise cripple his empire, and if he kills it and destroys the lab, all he has to do is ask Gus to rebuild it. But it's already over, so do what you wish

Walt had options other than destroying the entire lab, such as poison, shooting it, localized explosions, that he would rather use before the nuclear option of blowing up the whole lab. Also it cost Gus like a bajillion dollars to make the lab and a large explosion in a place where regular people work would call way too much attention from police