Walter white vs Aardvark

[Axl233]

saul has a similar feat where he shattered a window by kicking it, and walter downscales from 9-Cs

circular reasoning

Shattering a window is not a 10-A feat or 9-C unless if the window is reforced, prove it it was reinforced window,also Saul got his shit beaten by Howard in a boxing match and got overwhelmed by a bunch of teenagers.

Walt did not even give jesse a mark on his face when he kicked him, meanwhile tucko breaked his bones and sent him to a hospital, not even counting the fact that Walt struggled to break Ted's office window with a potted plant.

Jesse in order to stun tucko for barely 2 seconds needed to hit in the jaw with a brick by suprise and if wasn't for the fact that grabbed his gun from his belt he would have been overwelmed.

All of walts kills did not come from brute force, it was either by prep time,taking someone by surprise or shooting then in the face, he would never be able to take someone head on because he is a chemistry teacher who never worked out in his life that got even weaker because of the cancer.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

It will injure the Aardvark

what makes you think that?

also, you do realize it's possible to severely harm others who is as strong as you in the same tier, right?

if they’re both baseline, a single attack would probably hurt, but it wouldnt leave any lasting damage. nor would it prevent the aardvark from attacking. which is a pretty massive problem, because walt is pretty much dead as soon as the aardvark manages to sink its claws in.

 

[Axl233]

Anyway,Walt just gets mauled, he did not even leave jesse with a red mark on his face when he kicked him, he has no fightning experience and all of his Ws in the series comes from prep time or firearms.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

if they’re both baseline, a single attack would probably hurt, but it wouldnt leave any lasting damage

A kick from a human can literally generate thousands of newtons, why a kick of a 10-A can't lasting any damage?

nor would it prevent the aardvark from attacking. which is a pretty massive problem, because walt is pretty much dead as soon as the aardvark manages to sink its claws in.

It can't literally wound the Aardvark with a kick on the head or stomach, and the Aardvark isn't one-shoting Walter.. Walter can still slam the Aardvark with his arms and can kick it, he would still die of blood-out after a long fight, but he isn't going to collapse instantly.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Shattering a window is not a 10-A feat or 9-C unless if the window is reforced

okay. try shattering a window with two kicks.

also Saul got his shit beaten by Howard in a boxing match

in that case howard is 10-A

and got overwhelmed by a bunch of teenagers.

one of them was holding him down, and i don’t think losing a 3v1 is much of an anti feat

Walt did not even give jesse a mark on his face when he kicked him, meanwhile tucko breaked his bones and sent him to a hospital

in season 2 jesse was completely fine after a beating from tuco

not even counting the fact that Walt struggled to break Ted's office window with a potted plant.

that’s a matter of lifting strength

Jesse in order to stun tucko for barely 2 seconds needed to hit in the jaw with a brick by suprise and if wans't for the fact that grabbed his gun from his belt he would have been overwelmed.

a similar beating knocked out mike ehrmantraut (who is 9-C) and killed a man

All of walts kills did not come from brute force, it was either by prep time,taking someone by surprise or shooting then in the face

i don’t know why you’re expecting walter to beat gus to death, guns are far more efficient for killing people no matter how strong he is

he would never be able to take someone head on

except when he does

because he is a chemistry teacher

means absolutely nothing

who never worked out in his life

never specified

that got even weaker because of the cancer.

for most of the series he doesn’t have cancer, he beats it in season 2

 

[BigSmoke4269]

A kick from a human can literally generate thousands of newtons, why a kick of a 10-A can't lasting any damage?

10-A durability literally means you can withstand 10-A attacks without lasting damage

the Aardvark isn't one-shoting Walter..

one attack with its claws will kill walter. even if it doesn’t hit his vitals (unlikely since it’s bloodlusted), he will still bleed to death.

Walter can still slam the Aardvark with his arms and can kick it

aardvark is fast enough to avoid all of his attacks, or it can just rip apart any limb walt tries to attack with

he would still die of blood-out after a long fight, but he isn't going to collapse instantly.

so…walter dies either way.

 

[Propellus]

aardvark is fast enough to avoid all of his attacks, or it can just rip apart any limb walt tries to attack with

That speed is only useful for running, not reaction speed. And if anything, you can't blitz average Human with peak human speed

 

[Deleted member 11410]

10-A durability literally means you can withstand 10-A attacks without lasting damage

Yeah, you basically are saying that a kick can't deal anything of really due to being the same tier. A 10-A kick can still hurt another 10-A, with your logic Aardvarks claws does nothing of damage to Walter.

10-A durability literally means you can withstand 10-A attacks without lasting damage

It means that you can be hurted, but don't easily killed by those attacks. As I say, we can apply the same logic as Aardvark overpowering Walter. Yeah, Ik that it is just piercing damage, but it wouldn't instantly kill Walter.

aardvark is fast enough to avoid all of his attacks, or it can just rip apart any limb walt tries to attack with

That speed is only useful for running, not reaction speed. And if anything, you can't blitz average Human with peak human speed

And..

so…walter dies either way.

No, Walter can kick the head of Aardvark and damage them. The stomach is a weak point for almost all living beings, and if Walter kick the stomach of a Aardvark then he can really damage them. So either way, this is not a stomp, this is just a decisive win for Aardvark, Walter can kick, slam, etc the animal so it is not a stomp, Walter can knock out the animal, so not stomp.

• Aardvark just wins due to Walter weakness + piercing damage.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

That speed is only useful for running, not reaction speed.

it can still evade his attacks by running. how fast can we assume its reactions are?

And if anything, you can't blitz average Human with peak human speed

i’m not saying it’s a blitz. walter can still react to and perceive the aardvark’s attacks. he’s severely outpaced though.

Yeah, you basically are saying that a kick can't deal anything of really due to being the same tier. A 10-A kick can still hurt another 10-A

i know. but hurting the aardvark won’t be enough. after that first attack, walter is ******. it’s not like it’s going to lay down and wait for the next attack as soon as walter kicks it. it will immediately go for the kill, which is very bad news for walt considering that the aardvark can kill him with one slash.

with your logic Aardvarks claws does nothing of damage to Walter.

aardvark’s claws are piercing damage, walts kicks are blunt force. so no.

It means that you can be hurted, but don't easily killed by those attacks.

hurting a wild animal will not prevent it from killing you. let alone a bloodlusted one.

Yeah, Ik that it is just piercing damage, but it wouldn't instantly kill Walter.

it will if the aardvark goes for his vitals. which it will. it’s bloodlusted.

So either way, this is not a stomp, this is just a decisive win for Aardvark, Walter can kick, slam, etc the animal so it is not a stomp

kicking, slamming, etc the animal isn’t a wincon when it can literally sign your death warrant with a wave of its hand.

Walter can knock out the animal, so not stomp.

he can’t knock it out. he can hurt it. he can only knock the aardvark out if it suddenly decides to stop attacking him, which isn’t happening.

 

[Axl233]

okay. try shattering a window with two kicks.

in that case howard is 10-A

one of them was holding him down, and i don’t think losing a 3v1 is much of an anti feat

in season 2 jesse was completely fine after a beating from tuco.
that’s a matter of lifting strength

a similar beating knocked out mike ehrmantraut (who is 9-C) and killed a man

i don’t know why you’re expecting walter to beat gus to death, guns are far more efficient for killing people no matter how strong he is

except when he does

means absolutely nothing

never specified

for most of the series he doesn’t have cancer, he beats it in season 2

So no reinforced window? k then.

10-A:according to the wiki:Characters capable of exerting force comparable to that of more athletic humans, such as trained fighters or generally physically fit individuals.

"trained fighters or generally physically fit individuals"

Again overwelmed by teenagers, Saul has no other feats to scale him to that kind of tier.

"in season 2 jesse was completely fine after a beating from tuco."
I'm don't think we watched the same scene jesse caught tuco by suprise with a brick on the face and even then he got overwhelmed and pinned into the ground, he was gonna get his shit beaten by tuco and killed unless of course.
A:walt shoots tuco with the assault rifle
Or
B:Jesse grabs his gun and shoots him in the gut.


"i don’t know why you’re expecting walter to beat gus to death, guns are far more efficient for killing people no matter how strong he is"

irrelevant to my point earlier.

"except when he does"

Taking down a chained up jesse who has been locked down in a cage for months is not good backup feat, also same thing that said before taken by surprise.

"means absolutely nothing"

It does really


"for most of the series he doesn’t have cancer, he beats it in season 2"

I'm talking about the other seasons

 

[Deleted member 11410]

it can still evade his attacks by running. how fast can we assume its reactions are? i’m not saying it’s a blitz. walter can still react to and perceive the aardvark’s attacks. he’s severely outpaced though. i know. but hurting the aardvark won’t be enough. after that first attack, walter is ******. it’s not like it’s going to lay down and wait for the next attack as soon as walter kicks it. it will immediately go for the kill, which is very bad news for walt considering that the aardvark can kill him with one slash.

Aardvack aren't that intelligent and their speed is just for top speed. Yeah, if he kick many times the Aardvack the animal isn't going to easily wound Walter, since would've outranged by long kicks. Also, Walt is also bloodlust and the Aardvack need to reach the neck to easily kill it.

aardvark’s claws are piercing damage, walts kicks are blunt force. so no. hurting a wild animal will not prevent it from killing you. let alone a bloodlusted one. it will if the aardvark goes for his vitals. which it will. it’s bloodlusted. kicking, slamming, etc the animal isn’t a wincon when it can literally sign your death warrant with a wave of its hand. he can’t knock it out. he can hurt it. he can only knock the aardvark out if it suddenly decides to stop attacking him, which isn’t happening.

I already say, Aardvack claws can damage Walter but blunt force would still affect the animal due to their tier. Still, the Aardvack isn't exactly a hunter of something like humans to know that. Slamming the animal head into the floor would surely knock it, so easily a wincon.

 

[Propellus]

it can still evade his attacks by running. how fast can we assume its reactions are?

There's no evidence for animals scaling to their travel speed in reaction or combat speed. They're not even any different from our reaction speed in general. Just because an animal can run at that speed doesn't mean their reaction speed is going to be equal.

i’m not saying it’s a blitz. walter can still react to and perceive the aardvark’s attacks. he’s severely outpaced though.

Which I've already said it won't be useful enough

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Damn, this debate is still going on? Can I join!? OwO

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Damn, this debate is still going on? Can I join!? OwO

Obviously -w-

 

[H3110l12345I20]

A kick from a human can literally generate thousands of newtons, why a kick of a 10-A can't lasting any damage?

True, though the staff has consistently stated that the tiering system is an oversimplification of real life physics, & that was just from a thread where I was a bit more naive back then.

okay. try shattering a window with two kicks.

Human character & property damage costs prevents that LOL. But... yee (Ar). (antifeat if anyone wants to use it lol, though the kick was at a different position (Ar))

No, Walter can kick the head of Aardvark and damage them. The stomach is a weak point for almost all living beings, and if Walter kick the stomach of a Aardvark then he can really damage them. So either way, this is not a stomp, this is just a decisive win for Aardvark, Walter can kick, slam, etc the animal so it is not a stomp, Walter can knock out the animal, so not stomp.

In real life, the head is a more vulnerable point in humans, why doesn't this apply to (non-human) animals? Some animals that have a skull & a brain can get killed via strikes/attacks there since the brain is a vital organ. The claws & aggressiveness of the animal will make it hard. Is the Anteater's head able to withstand high blunt-force damage?

it can still evade his attacks by running. how fast can we assume its reactions are?

Feats bro

i know. but hurting the aardvark won’t be enough. after that first attack, walter is ******. it’s not like it’s going to lay down and wait for the next attack as soon as walter kicks it. it will immediately go for the kill, which is very bad news for walt considering that the aardvark can kill him with one slash.

So this is where the dispute is? You do know it takes time for a person to die from blood loss, this zookeeper got mauled & hospitalized & just died at the hospital. There's cases of nonfatal knife attacks but that situation is different (obivously). From a devil's advocate standpoint, Walt would still have time to kill the Anteater even if he's bleeding.

kicking, slamming, etc the animal isn’t a wincon when it can literally sign your death warrant with a wave of its hand.

Ostriches are stated to one-shot humans & one survived a kick, Grizzlies can Decapitate Wolves & yet there's survivors of bear maulings, stuff like this depends on the injury. Walter isn't going to get one-shotted even with a 3x AP difference if it's in a nonvital spot.

The only way I see Walt getting one-shotted immediately is by getting cut by his vital organs or blood vessels. There's even one on each of his thighs.

he can’t knock it out. he can hurt it. he can only knock the aardvark out if it suddenly decides to stop attacking him, which isn’t happening.

Knocking it out is a possibility due to the size difference, look at humans when they stomp each other's heads off. The claws & aggressiveness of the animal will make it hard.

10-A:according to the wiki:Characters capable of exerting force comparable to that of more athletic humans, such as trained fighters or generally physically fit individuals.

"trained fighters or generally physically fit individuals"

Again overwelmed by teenagers, Saul has no other feats to scale him to that kind of tier.

You do know it says "comparable to" right? We have Chimps & Gray Wolves tiered that way because of them being stronger than humans & their strength.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

True, though the staff has consistently stated that the tiering system is an oversimplification of real life physics, & that was just from a thread where I was a bit more naive back then.

Yeah.

In real life, the head is a more vulnerable point in humans, why doesn't this apply to (non-human) animals? Some animals that have a skull & a brain can get killed via strikes/attacks there since the brain is a vital organ. The claws & aggressiveness of the animal will make it hard. Is the Anteater's head able to withstand high blunt-force damage?

Agree. The Anteater will withstand some of blunt-force but not at all, probably can survive at the first kick if it jumps at Walter, but Walter can still knockout as you say.

I still favour the Aardvark due to their claws

Also, the problem is that Walter has cancer and some others weakness, so blood-out can affect him more than a average person.
But Walter as many advantages to win against the animal, so, I agree that this is not a stomp.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Arthur mauls a kingpin in his fifties FRA.

 

[My_area]

I read through the whole thread so I find myself agreeing with Deleted Username arguments more. Therefore I will go with Aardvark by their reasons above.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

So unless I'm reading wrong, is this so?

Aardvark: 6 (@My_area @Greatsage13th Deleted Username @Oliver_de_jesus @H3110l12345I20 @Apex_Predator_GX )

Walter White:

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Aardvark FRA

 

[Noneless21]

Aardvark FRA

 

[Antvasima]

I was asked to close this thread. Is it fine if I do so?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I was asked to close this thread. Is it fine if I do so?

Are the votes in grace?:

So unless I'm reading wrong, is this so?

Aardvark: 6 (@My_area @Greatsage13th Deleted Username @Oliver_de_jesus @H3110l12345I20 @Apex_Predator_GX )

Walter White:

You can always vote.

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Are the votes in grace?:

You can always vote.

They are 7 votes and 24 hours passed I think

 

[Deleted member 11410]

I was asked to close this thread. Is it fine if I do so?

Yeah, I think.. there was 7 votes (with the one of noneless) and grace finished after 24 hours

 

[Antvasima]

You need 7 votes for a thread to be accepted before it can be added, but there is nothing inappropriate with this thread then?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

You need 7 votes for a thread to be accepted before it can be added, but there is nothing inappropriate with this thread then?

Nah, I forgot to put the reason why I needed to close the thread (Probably because I was dying of Sleep)

and yes, there are 7 votes simply H3 forgot to put Noneless12

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Aardvark FRA

You need 7 votes for a thread to be accepted before it can be added, but there is nothing inappropriate with this thread then?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. This thread can probably be added then. Should I close it?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Okay. This thread can probably be added then. Should I close it?

yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I have done so.