Vtubers discussion thread

[RandomGuy2345]

Sigh, shouldn't take your comment way personal @RandomGuy2345
My frustration over the lost of my precious folders because the sd memory card can't be readed still affect me

Still, i'm not by any mean harm or anything by what i said above, you guys can just report me if it's necessary
Also for you that worried that i'm going to harm myself, thankfully it's not happening lel, but my feeling still like a crap

I just feel like you're going about it the wrong way.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

True enough, gonna unfollow temporaly this thread as i might pissed off a lot's of you

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Nvm i'm back, here is the latest Idol Shodown news:

 

[Shmooply]

An excuse to buy it now.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

An excuse to buy it now.

And then get skill issue'd by the pro players

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

This is surreal lmao (fyi it's the actual Kiryu VA who joined there)

 

[First_Witch]

Have you guys watched the 4Chan /VT/ saga by https://youtube.com/@desertorium.That is some A grade content.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Have you guys watched the 4Chan /VT/ saga by https://youtube.com/@desertorium.That is some A grade content.

Already watched it since the beginning of his channel lol.

I even witnessed the firsthand of those threads lol.

 

[First_Witch]

Already watched it since the beginning of his channel lol.

I even witnessed the firsthand of those threads lol.

That Argentian guy near the end of episode one going mask off because of Red Superchatting had me in stitches

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

That Argentian guy near the end of episode one going mask off because of Red Superchatting had me in stitches

That one is hilarious lol.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Ouch. So much ouch.

Basically, an upcoming graduation announcement for Taka, Siska, Amicia, and Zea

 

[Shmooply]

Ouch. So much ouch.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

The Indonesia fanbase has already anticipated it and knew this since the merge yet the uproar and disappointment are real, show how much impactful the 4 were in Indonesia market

And i didn't even know that so many peoples has lost their faith anf support for Nijisanji because of the ongoing streak of drama/fiasco that happened lately, very rough year for the community except for Hololive/Prism Project/Phase Connect
EDIT: Beside the three, the Indonesian vtubers circle, Re:Act, HimeHina, and Indie vtubers are doing fine as well

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Nijisanji has unfortunately been getting Ls for the past 6 months or so.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Nijisanji has unfortunately been getting Ls for the past 6 months or so.

What happened?

 

[Theglassman12]

Company doing some false copyright strikes, talents leaving, the usual.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Nijisanji has unfortunately been getting Ls for the past 6 months or so.

Still not worse than Wactor, that agency is becoming "Hell on Earth"
But then again, with how it looks, Nijisanji will slowly lost so many support by the fanbase, it looks grim

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Company doing some false copyright strikes, talents leaving, the usual.

Also add the crappy management, the agency become corpos, and some of internal issues from the talents
Let's not forget, before the announcement of the graduation for 4 Niji-ID members, they suspend Gundou due of her became a national news in Japan just because of a joke question about baseball

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Those people sound very sensitive if they’re going to suspend someone over a baseball tweet.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

I don't know the cultural significance and details, but baseball is massive in Japan. I'm sure many countries have "that one weird thing they don't joke about". For Japan, it's baseball.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I don't know the cultural significance and details, but baseball is massive in Japan. I'm sure many countries have "that one weird thing they don't joke about". For Japan, it's baseball.

Yeah, and it's such of spiritful sport too, which is why it has so many fanatic fanbase

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Yeah, and it's such of spiritful sport too, which is why it has so many fanatic fanbase

Just like Indonesian soccer lol.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Btw, what do you guys think about Niji-EN boys (and likely the rest of the gang)?
For me, while they are became the big set for the corpo and have a great impact, i feel those impact aren't that spectacular, doesn't mention their over-degen and cringe stuff they do, also something about catering the zoomer way too much

I don't want to compare but looking at Tempus, they are balanced, catering not only on the zoomer but also for the other groups from different era (Gen-Z/Anyone who has lived since 10's or even 00's and freaking boomer), hck let's say these group are the equalivent of the famous youtuber stars gang like Markipliers, Jacksepticeyes, and Banana Buss Gang (Vanoss Crew), might be exaggerating but this is what i get from them lel

Hope this doesn't feels sensitive and if it do then sorry
Low-key the discover of Nijisanji lost the faith and support from the fans has made me so critical for many reason

 

[First_Witch]

I can't for the live of me imagine being a Nijisanji fan. There were more NijiEN generations that came out last year than there are Hololive EN and ID Generations COMBINED. I just blank out on 90% of them. Like, Doppio who? Ver where? Sonny what? And I guess Maria is a thing?

The Drama those people go through everytime is absolutly hillarious and sad though. 99% of said "drama" is blown out of proportions and just the consequences of having the worst fanbase imagineable. Its not their fault that they attracted the terminal online Twitter crowd, but man, you can tell compared to Hololive.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

When Lazulight came out, I was like "Cool, let's see what they're about."
I wasn't done familiarizing myself with Lazulight, that Obsydia came out. "Alright, sure. I can handle this."
I was still getting through Obsydia, then Ethyria pops out. "Going a bit fast, but okay. I have content to watch."
I was just wrapping up Obsydia and starting to get to know Ethyria, that Luxiem comes out.
By the time I finished Ethyria and dipped my toes into Luxiem, Noctyx was released. Then I gave up.

 

[Theglassman12]

@First_Witch arguably the one reason I haven’t kept up with Nijisanji because the amount of talents that joined is too much to keep up with. Also take this for trying to shit talk my tales earlier

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I can't for the live of me imagine being a Nijisanji fan. There were more NijiEN generations that came out last year than there are Hololive EN and ID Generations COMBINED. I just blank out on 90% of them. Like, Doppio who? Ver where? Sonny what? And I guess Maria is a thing?

It's been reported that there will be a new wave incoming for NijiEN, bruh
It's like they pumped out so many livers and just take the most popular while leave the others do their own, golden child and favorism syndrome
Alongside caring the moneys mostly which show how greed they are, alongside their backup with big company and china

The Drama those people go through everytime is absolutly hillarious and sad though. 99% of said "drama" is blown out of proportions and just the consequences of having the worst fanbase imagineable. Its not their fault that they attracted the terminal online Twitter crowd, but man, you can tell compared to Hololive.

I feel Holofans can be such of cancer sometime but things is, those cancer can be way controlles and prevented, this is what hard lesson they got from their biggest issues which i gave them big kudos

Beside that, as i said again Nijisanji pandering to zoomer way too much, hence the terminal twitter crowd like you said

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

When Lazulight came out, I was like "Cool, let's see what they're about."
I wasn't done familiarizing myself with Lazulight, that Obsydia came out. "Alright, sure. I can handle this."
I was still getting through Obsydia, then Ethyria pops out. "Going a bit fast, but okay. I have content to watch."
I was just wrapping up Obsydia and starting to get to know Ethyria, that Luxiem comes out.
By the time I finished Ethyria and dipped my toes into Luxiem, Noctyx was released. Then I gave up.

What your thought on those groups (excluded Noctyx and later since you have gave up)?

If you ask me, the only members that truly give their genuine best (counting all the waves) are Pomu, Elira, the entire Obsydia gang (i'm not familiar with Petra sadly lel), Ethyria gang, Luca, Alban, Kotaka, and Meloco
Luxiem is where everything goes negative, heck not Luxiem, it's start with Vox who became the golden child syndrome, everyone beside him are get a small spotlight, tho Mysta is way too degen which is problematic on his own
Noctyx beside Alban, they are not in best spotlight nor in bad spot (chill and good steady, just like Ike and Shu), except poor Fulgur, the man deserve better
Iluna? Honestly i'm not familiar with them except Scarle which i feel way too degen like Mysta, i heard the bois pandering on the fujo but less degen so i think it's fine for them, tho Ren has a problem with his trolling attitude but since that issue with him twitter, nothing ground breaking
Xsoleil is the most problematic wave, outside from Meloco and Kotaka (and Ver/Doppio while i'm not that much familiar of), you have Zaion the ultimate b***h and Hex the Vox 2.0 but worse

I'm not counting Finana because i have stopped caring about her at all since her drama a years ago, but if you ask me? Degen that much like Mysta and Scarle

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Personal preference, I guess, but I don't mind some members being unhinged or "degens" as you call them. If done tastefully, it can be fun.

My favorite NijiEN liver is Finana, because I think she strikes that balance between lewd and wholesome. None of her degen stuff feels forced, she's simply being herself without wearing a mask or facade, and I respect that.

Similarly, HoloJP has the likes of Marine, Matsuri, Choco and Koyori, most of HoloID is unhinged, and HoloEN has their moments too. It doesn't stop them from being entertaining people.

I don't follow any of the other NijiEN "degens", so I can't comment on them.

 

[GoldenScorpions]

What your thought on those groups (excluded Noctyx and later since you have gave up)?

My opinion is that Lazulight, Obsydia and Ethyria are great. All the girls are fun, charming and entertaining in their own way.
Luxiem is where I both disconnected and felt things were starting to be a little sour. I don't follow anyone from either Luxiem or Noctyx. From Iluna, I only occasionally watch Maria. From XSoleil, I used to occasionally watch Zaion, but we know how that turned out.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Personal preference, I guess, but I don't mind some members being unhinged or "degens" as you call them. If done tastefully, it can be fun.

Yeah but if not then you have some issue with it and that's the problem lies on Nijisanji EN
You have given an example on unhinged folks on Holo, but for me they know very well how to do these stuff without forcing it to our taste, and balancing it which is why many peoples of different ages really like them
I feel like i'm gonna give Finana a 2nd chance, i might took her oopsie way seriously

My opinion is that Lazulight, Obsydia and Ethyria are great. All the girls are fun, charming and entertaining in their own way.
Luxiem is where I both disconnected and felt things were starting to be a little sour. I don't follow anyone from either Luxiem or Noctyx. From Iluna, I only occasionally watch Maria. From XSoleil, I used to occasionally watch Zaion, but we know how that turned out.

F*** me, i forgor Maria for some reason lmao (Uki as well, but like the dude trio from Iluna, i didn't know well nor care)
Yeah, only Maria that i find her genuinely entertaining, i still need to see Aia since she's pretty balanced too but i have no time lel

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I don't follow any of the other NijiEN "degens", so I can't comment on them.

Well to give you the idea: Scarle thumbnails and that time Mysta bought a d*ldo and do a oral with it and showing it to Iluna for lolz

EDIT: The only reason why i'm still liking Scarle is because her dyanmic relation with Maglord

 

[Metalballrun]

Being a fan of an entire company's roster of talents is a physical impossibility in the first place.

I don't really call myself a Niji fan or a Hololive fan, but if I do, it's just a blanket term for the fact that I am a fan of a select number of their talents.

Even then, I don't really follow these talents religiously. I just watch the streams that interests me.
Likewise, I also watch the streams of other Vtubers if they interest me, regardless of their popularity or affiliation.

I can go from watching a HL/NJSJ Vtuber's stream alongside 20,000 other people to watching an indie Vtuber with 12 other people.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Being a fan of an entire company's roster of talents is a physical impossibility in the first place.

Yeah, can't deny it, which is why there's this quote: "chose your oshi"
But for Nijisanji, with how their operation work, it's bothersome with the "favorism" syndrome being running around, if your oshi is the most picked then fine, if not then be wary
Even then the fans of the most picked/popular oshi are cautious with this syndrome

At least in Hololive and other agencies (that aren't Wactor), all the talents being treated equally, so the fans of not favorite wouldn't need to be worry about, while the fans that has their oshi being the popular can be together with the less one altogether

The last sentences might be too confusing so i tried my best lel

The rest of your comments i understand and even agree, i also doing this stuff too which i stumbled many of entertaining vtubers

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

how’s Vshojo doing right now though?

 

[GoldenScorpions]

The difference in treatment between HoloID vs NijiID is night and day, for example.

Nowadays and for the past 1.5 years or so, Holostars, which used to seem like lower priority, is also receiving lots of support, events, promotions, and favorable treatment. Yagoo himself supports them a lot, both JP and Tempus; I believe it was his idea, after all.

 

[Theglassman12]

@GoldenScorpions it also helps that with everything Cover Corp related, they don’t overwhelm everyone with Mike 15-20 new talents in the span of a week. They at least pace themselves with each new generation being debuted, giving the talents enough time to shine before they become senpais, though Tempus getting a second Gen not too far off from the first was a bit strange, though the 4 talent per group does help to not overwhelm the audience with everything.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

@GoldenScorpions it also helps that with everything Cover Corp related, they don’t overwhelm everyone with Mike 15-20 new talents in the span of a week. They at least pace themselves with each new generation being debuted, giving the talents enough time to shine before they become senpais, though Tempus getting a second Gen not too far off from the first was a bit strange, though the 4 talent per group does help to not overwhelm the audience with everything.

I feel like peoples forget that the time lapse between HoloJP Gen 3 and Gen 4 was short too so i'm not surprised with Tempus Season 2, tho for the latter it was planned from the start

 

[Theglassman12]

Welp, this is gonna be fun

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Neuro-sama, our new overlord!