Void Shiki vs Lancer (Fate/Stay Night.)

[Cautiousexedius]

I don’t get your points here


Non servant characters just get assigned classes based on what fits them the most in FGO, pretty sure they’re called “Saint Graph Designations”
Even characters that don’t possess any saint graph at all like luminary Arcueid, and Arcueid herself have “classes” (I’m not talking about the mooncancer from FGO)

Here's what I'm trying to explain:
When Nasu answers questions about Shiki in an interview, what we clearly see in the scan you sent is that we can't understand which Shiki Nasu is talking about. Because as a fanbase and as we've seen in the novels, there are cases where we identify the Void Shiki as the root or []. And if we ignore the possibility that Nasu is a senile person who forgets his own writings, we have 2 situations regarding the refutations (half of which are false) reflected in the profile:

Case 1 is that the Shiki Nasu is referring to is Void, and we can't address this case because Nasu clearly states in the interview that he wants to maintain consistency between the two series. And if the Shiki was the Void, then the two series would contradict each other because the Void exists in a basically indescribable and nameless form, and Nasu refers to it as having a name. And the other contradiction is that the Shiki in that singularity being Void can be recorded on the heroic throne where the true selves of the heroic souls reside, and this is impossible because to record the Void Shiki on the throne would inherently disrupt the very structure of the throne itself, it would be akin to placing the Root on the Throne, and this is also impossible because of their metaphysical position and ontological differences.

Case 2 is that the Shiki in question is Saber, not Void, which is the most appropriate case that would not create contradictions between the series, as Nasu wanted. The Throne of Heroes keeps a physically better version of it, because if the Void is active, the Throne itself will be broken, as I mentioned in the first case, and in order not to break it, the Calyvorence style only activates Omniscience. And in Saber's profile it says that the parameters are invalid if [] is active, which would create a contradiction in case it's Void Shiki. So the Shiki mentioned in the interview must be referring to Saber and Assassin because Nasu stated that he was trying to be consistent. The Saber Shiki is just a record of the Void Shiki on the Throne of Heroes. I mentioned one of the examples of the Saint Graph for ORT in my articles above. It is completely wrong to say that an entity that is the root itself, even through the Saint Graph, can also be FGO, as if equating it to ORT or Arcueid.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Here's what I'm trying to explain:
When Nasu answers questions about Shiki in an interview, what we clearly see in the scan you sent is that we can't understand which Shiki Nasu is talking about. Because as a fanbase and as we've seen in the novels, there are cases where we identify the Void Shiki as the root or []. And if we ignore the possibility that Nasu is a senile person who forgets his own writings, we have 2 situations regarding the refutations (half of which are false) reflected in the profile:

It is the exact same Shiki from KNK, as stated in the interview. It doesn’t make sense for it to be a “fake” shiki because we know that the “dreaming” transfers your soul to another world.

Even if she was the root (she isn’t), Angra Mainyu is directly said to be “ “, yet he’s the weakest out of all the servants. This means nothing.

Case 1 is that the Shiki Nasu is referring to is Void, and we can't address this case because Nasu clearly states in the interview that he wants to maintain consistency between the two series. And if the Shiki was the Void, then the two series would contradict each other because the Void exists in a basically indescribable and nameless form, and Nasu refers to it as having a name. And the other contradiction is that the Shiki in that singularity being Void can be recorded on the heroic throne where the true selves of the heroic souls reside, and this is impossible because to record the Void Shiki on the throne would inherently disrupt the very structure of the throne itself, it would be akin to placing the Root on the Throne, and this is also impossible because of their metaphysical position and ontological differences.

“Indescribable and nameless” Sure.


—It's been a while, Kokutou.

Ryougi Shiki was her name. But the tone she now took was unfamiliar. Who stood here was neither the Shiki he knew, nor the other he had known, but another still, altogether unknowable.

—It is you, then.

A pause.

—Somehow I thought it would be. Is Shiki - asleep, then?

—She is. Right now it's just me and you.

She smiled. Flawless, incarnate, feminine smile. He questioned her.


She later describes herself as nothing more than the body of Ryougi Shiki. The Counterforce has successfully crushed people with her origin before, her families ritual just protected/hid her from it.


The entire grail war exists because heroic spirits going back to the throne makes a pathway into the root.

Case 2 is that the Shiki in question is Saber, not Void, which is the most appropriate case that would not create contradictions between the series, as Nasu wanted. The Throne of Heroes keeps a physically better version of it, because if the Void is active, the Throne itself will be broken, as I mentioned in the first case, and in order not to break it, the Calyvorence style only activates Omniscience. And in Saber's profile it says that the parameters are invalid if [] is active, which would create a contradiction in case it's Void Shiki. So the Shiki mentioned in the interview must be referring to Saber and Assassin because Nasu stated that he was trying to be consistent. The Saber Shiki is just a record of the Void Shiki on the Throne of Heroes. I mentioned one of the examples of the Saint Graph for ORT in my articles above. It is completely wrong to say that an entity that is the root itself, even through the Saint Graph, can also be FGO, as if equating it to ORT or Arcueid.

This is just a huge nothing burger. You know what else has the connection to the root skill that is supposedly beyond all parameters? The Greater Grail/Dark Iri.
And this was while the greater grail was incomplete with only 4-5 out of the 7 servants absorbed.

She’s beaten with the help of Chaldea.

 

[Cautiousexedius]

It is the exact same Shiki from KNK, as stated in the interview. It doesn’t make sense for it to be a “fake” shiki because we know that the “dreaming” transfers your soul to another world.

Even if she was the root (she isn’t), Angra Mainyu is directly said to be “ “, yet he’s the weakest out of all the servants. This means nothing.

“Indescribable and nameless” Sure.


—It's been a while, Kokutou.

Ryougi Shiki was her name. But the tone she now took was unfamiliar. Who stood here was neither the Shiki he knew, nor the other he had known, but another still, altogether unknowable.

—It is you, then.

A pause.

—Somehow I thought it would be. Is Shiki - asleep, then?

—She is. Right now it's just me and you.

She smiled. Flawless, incarnate, feminine smile. He questioned her.


She later describes herself as nothing more than the body of Ryougi Shiki. The Counterforce has successfully crushed people with her origin before, her families ritual just protected/hid her from it.


The entire grail war exists because heroic spirits going back to the throne makes a pathway into the root.

This is just a huge nothing burger. You know what else has the connection to the root skill that is supposedly beyond all parameters? The Greater Grail/Dark Iri.
And this was while the greater grail was incomplete with only 4-5 out of the 7 servants absorbed.

She’s beaten with the help of Chaldea.

It is the exact same Shiki from KNK, as stated in the interview. It doesn’t make sense for it to be a “fake” shiki because we know that the “dreaming” transfers your soul to another world.

Even if she was the root (she isn’t), Angra Mainyu is directly said to be “ “, yet he’s the weakest out of all the servants. This means nothing.

“Indescribable and nameless” Sure.


—It's been a while, Kokutou.

Ryougi Shiki was her name. But the tone she now took was unfamiliar. Who stood here was neither the Shiki he knew, nor the other he had known, but another still, altogether unknowable.

—It is you, then.

A pause.

—Somehow I thought it would be. Is Shiki - asleep, then?

—She is. Right now it's just me and you.

She smiled. Flawless, incarnate, feminine smile. He questioned her.


She later describes herself as nothing more than the body of Ryougi Shiki. The Counterforce has successfully crushed people with her origin before, her families ritual just protected/hid her from it.


The entire grail war exists because heroic spirits going back to the throne makes a pathway into the root.

This is just a huge nothing burger. You know what else has the connection to the root skill that is supposedly beyond all parameters? The Greater Grail/Dark Iri.
And this was while the greater grail was incomplete with only 4-5 out of the 7 servants absorbed.

She’s beaten with the help of Chaldea.

I never said that Shiki is a "fake", and the fact that dreaming sends your soul to another world temporarily does not prove that Shiki is Void, as Nasu mentioned in the interview, or in the arguments you mentioned as an anti feat, the process of transferring the soul to another world is something that can happen between Saber and Assassin, which is what we understand from the interview.

What you're talking about in the sequel is told from Kokuto's point of view. Even though it was Void Shiki that Kokuto saw, since Void Shiki used Ryougi's body, it is normal for him to identify him as "Ryougi Shiki". Don't think that you can draw a rebuttal from this.

The power of the Holy Grail to fulfill every wish stems indirectly from the Root. When we speak of the Root, the source of all revelation and existence, we cannot speak of "granting every wish" to the same extent as we speak of the Holy Grail's ability to do so. The Holy Grail is not guaranteed to ever last in any timeline. Even Saber destroyed it with his NP. The case of the Root is completely different.

 

[Wankbreaker]

I never said that Shiki is a "fake", and the fact that dreaming sends your soul to another world temporarily does not prove that Shiki is Void, as Nasu mentioned in the interview, or in the arguments you mentioned as an anti feat, the process of transferring the soul to another world is something that can happen between Saber and Assassin, which is what we understand from the interview.

Void has the independent manifestation skill, the ability to summon themselves across parallel worlds, the "dreaming" is described the same way.

connect the dots

What you're talking about in the sequel is told from Kokuto's point of view. Even though it was Void Shiki that Kokuto saw, since Void Shiki used Ryougi's body, it is normal for him to identify him as "Ryougi Shiki". Don't think that you can draw a rebuttal from this.

This is the narration, not Kokuto, or his inner thoughts..... and you're ignoring the fact that Void Shiki describes herself as nothing more than the body and its personality.

The power of the Holy Grail to fulfill every wish stems indirectly from the Root. When we speak of the Root, the source of all revelation and existence, we cannot speak of "granting every wish" to the same extent as we speak of the Holy Grail's ability to do so. The Holy Grail is not guaranteed to ever last in any timeline. Even Saber destroyed it with his NP. The case of the Root is completely different.

This is one of the sentences of the "connection to the root" skill.

In other words, the same qualities of the omnipotent wish granter itself.

The only other possessor of this skill is the literal avatar of the greater grail.

 

[Cautiousexedius]

Void has the independent manifestation skill, the ability to summon themselves across parallel worlds, the "dreaming" is described the same way.

connect the dots

This is the narration, not Kokuto, or his inner thoughts..... and you're ignoring the fact that Void Shiki describes herself as nothing more than the body and its personality.

This is one of the sentences of the "connection to the root" skill.

The only other possessor of this skill is the literal avatar of the greater grail.

Saber Shiki can also do this because of its ability to use the root, it is not unique to Void.

Some of the excerpts from the novel and the movie are told from Kokuto's point of view, and it's clear what I mean here. And the fact that Void Shiki defines herself as consisting of her body and her personality is not relevant to what I'm saying, because Kokutou could have defined her as Shiki by her appearance as well. We know that Void Shiki is using Shiki's body in that part. And any definition that Void Shiki would have of himself would not have to agree with it because he is already basically undefined, he is the root, he doesn't have to. The Shiki's body may have a personality, but it is "not limited to that". It can manifest and refer to itself in any form it wants, don't underestimate its omnipotence. There is no one person who has the ability to connect to the root, we have seen more than one character in the series using the root. I assume you know all this, it's a baseless argument.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Saber Shiki can also do this because of its ability to use the root, it is not unique to Void.

…..saber shiki is void.

Some of the excerpts from the novel and the movie are told from Kokuto's point of view, and it's clear what I mean here. And the fact that Void Shiki defines herself as consisting of her body and her personality is not relevant to what I'm saying, because Kokutou could have defined her as Shiki by her appearance as well. We know that Void Shiki is using Shiki's body in that part. And any definition that Void Shiki would have of himself would not have to agree with it because he is already basically undefined, he is the root, he doesn't have to. The Shiki's body may have a personality, but it is "not limited to that". It can manifest and refer to itself in any form it wants, don't underestimate its omnipotence.

Yea…. no. That’s not how this works at all.

“She’s the same person as Shiki Ryougi, the girl who wears a jacket over her kimono. However, their personalities are different.“

“If Shiki Ryougi is the girl known as 「Shiki」, then this person is the woman known as「Shiki Ryougi」

The personality of the body itself, embodying 「 」 that represents the beginning.”

She slumbers within Shiki from her birth to her death.

There is no one person who has the ability to connect to the root, we have seen more than one character in the series using the root. I assume you know all this, it's a baseless argument.

Cool, so you agree void shiki isn’t special in that regard. Great that you came along

 

[Cautiousexedius]

…..saber shiki is void.

Yea…. no. That’s not how this works at all.

“She’s the same person as Shiki Ryougi, the girl who wears a jacket over her kimono. However, their personalities are different.“

“If Shiki Ryougi is the girl known as 「Shiki」, then this person is the woman known as「Shiki Ryougi」

The personality of the body itself, embodying 「 」 that represents the beginning.”

She slumbers within Shiki from her birth to her death.


Cool, so you agree void shiki isn’t special in that regard. Great that you came along

You can't prove anything with what you say. And no Saber Shiki is not Void Shiki, I explained to you the reasons for that. And for you to say that Void Shiki is not special in that I thought you could clearly understand the difference between using the Root and being the Root itself. And the personality thing you mentioned is completely irrelevant because I never said anything different about it, we know from the outside that you have the same body as Shiki...

 

[Wankbreaker]

You can't prove anything with what you say. And no Saber Shiki is not Void Shiki, I explained to you the reasons for that.

And I explained the reasons why she is…. let’s review them.
1. Is the same Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai
2. Void possesses a skill that allows her to manifest in parallel worlds in some fashion
3. The “dreaming” is suspiciously similar to this skill.

What’s next, Shiki Ryougi isn’t Shiki Ryougi?

And for you to say that Void Shiki is not special in that I thought you could clearly understand the difference between using the Root and being the Root itself.

Quick question. Do you think “0” here is referring to the Root and its nature as the source of all things? This is important to proceed.

And the personality thing you mentioned is completely irrelevant because I never said anything different about it, we know from the outside that you have the same body as Shiki...

She is the body itself. This was explained to you multiple times using quotes from the novels and her FGO profile.

 

[Cautiousexedius]

And I explained the reasons why she is…. let’s review them.
1. Is the same Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai
2. Void possesses a skill that allows her to manifest in parallel worlds in some fashion
3. The “dreaming” is suspiciously similar to this skill.

What’s next, Shiki Ryougi isn’t Shiki Ryougi?

Quick question. Do you think “0” here is referring to the Root and its nature as the source of all things? This is important to proceed.



She is the body itself. This was explained to you multiple times using quotes from the novels and her FGO profile.

I gave a long explanation at the top of the page about whether it is the same as Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai, so I suggest you check again.

Saber indirectly has the ability to manifest in parallel worlds, and it is even possible that other characters can do so as well. This is not proof either.

Saying "similar" doesn't get you anywhere, you are only speaking hypothetically. And your assumptions are wrong. I pointed out that its invalidity would create a contradiction within the verse, and you are using these arguments with the prejudice that it is invalid and actually "weaker than we think". I think I have answered that sufficiently.

And no, we cannot say with certainty whether the 0 in the scan you mention refers to Origin or not. Because even such explanations would be insufficient to explain Origin.

I said that just because the body is itself does not mean that it is limited to this body. What you say might be true if it had no relation to Origin, but you continue to defend an invalid argument. Shiki in the FGO profile is not the Void.

 

[Stillwinston]

Poor Lancer he's getting ga shinda'd

 

[Hypercyber37]

I gave a long explanation at the top of the page about whether it is the same as Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai, so I suggest you check again.

Saber indirectly has the ability to manifest in parallel worlds, and it is even possible that other characters can do so as well. This is not proof either.

Saying "similar" doesn't get you anywhere, you are only speaking hypothetically. And your assumptions are wrong. I pointed out that its invalidity would create a contradiction within the verse, and you are using these arguments with the prejudice that it is invalid and actually "weaker than we think". I think I have answered that sufficiently.

And no, we cannot say with certainty whether the 0 in the scan you mention refers to Origin or not. Because even such explanations would be insufficient to explain Origin.

I said that just because the body is itself does not mean that it is limited to this body. What you say might be true if it had no relation to Origin, but you continue to defend an invalid argument. Shiki in the FGO profile is not the Void.

Are you planning to open a Thread that will bring back Shiki's root scale?

 

[Huesito88]

Are you planning to open a calc that will bring back Shiki's root scale?

A Calc?

 

[Hypercyber37]

A Calc?

I mean Thread. My bad

 

[Wankbreaker]

I gave a long explanation at the top of the page about whether it is the same as Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai, so I suggest you check again.

Nasu disagrees with you on that. Unless you think you know more than the author

Saber indirectly has the ability to manifest in parallel worlds, and it is even possible that other characters can do so as well. This is not proof either.

Saying "similar" doesn't get you anywhere, you are only speaking hypothetically. And your assumptions are wrong. I pointed out that its invalidity would create a contradiction within the verse, and you are using these arguments with the prejudice that it is invalid and actually "weaker than we think". I think I have answered that sufficiently.

there is no contradiction, lmao.

And no, we cannot say with certainty whether the 0 in the scan you mention refers to Origin or not. Because even such explanations would be insufficient to explain Origin.

So something OTHER than the root created everything? Because that is what is explained here. Everything needs “0” as som

I said that just because the body is itself does not mean that it is limited to this body. What you say might be true if it had no relation to Origin, but you continue to defend an invalid argument. Shiki in the FGO profile is not the Void.

so ryougi shiki's body is ... not ryougi shiki's body?

 

[Cautiousexedius]

Nasu disagrees with you on that. Unless you think you know more than the author

there is no contradiction, lmao.

So something OTHER than the root created everything? Because that is what is explained here. Everything needs “0” as som

so ryougi shiki's body is ... not ryougi shiki's body?

There is no possibility of Nasu disagreeing with me on this issue because I am the one who has put forward the arguments necessary not to contradict Nasu, not Nasu

Your claim that there is no contradiction clearly shows your prejudice against the series. Please don't continue to claim otherwise on this issue, it won't change the outcome because I have exposed the contradiction.

You keep distorting what I said. I didn't say that Ryougi Shiki's body is not Ryougi Shiki's body in a way that would leave readers in doubt. You are just trying to limit Void Shiki by saying that he is nothing but Ryougi Shiki's body. Basically, Void Shiki doesn't even have a body, his human or servant form is just a tool. I have given the arguments that I think you can understand this in my previous articles.

And finally I never claimed that something other than the Origin created everything, you are again changing this sentence in your favor. For you to say that everything needs "0", you need a "definite" proof that 0 refers to the Origin. I said here that it would be a possibility and an assumption, and that there is also the case that it does not refer because we cannot identify it with "0". Please read what I wrote carefully

 

[Robo432343]

why are you guys talking about tier 0 stuff in a vs thread

anyway shiki stills wins even with the downgrade

 

[Cautiousexedius]

Are you planning to open a Thread that will bring back Shiki's root scale?

I am thinking about this topic but I can't address it anytime soon because I don't have much time to devote to it. But I see that there is a lot of misinformation and prejudice. It is clear to see how much prejudice there is for a profile that claims to have anti traits instead of traits in the ap section where it should state its traits. And some of the articles I see in the rebuttals are really funny. Like "Void Shiki stated that she cannot defeat the Gaiya monster". People actually believe or choose to condone the fallacy that Saber and Void are the same.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can you stop arguing about this please, this is derailing the thread.

 

[Cautiousexedius]

why are you guys talking about tier 0 stuff in a vs thread

anyway shiki stills wins even with the downgrade

We are not talking about tier 0, he thinks he is debunking by making false claims. This is what we are discussing.

 

[Huesito88]

We are not talking about tier 0, he thinks he is debunking by making false claims. This is what we are discussing.

Still should be discussed in the Nasuverse Thread Discussion

 

[Cautiousexedius]

Still should be discussed in the Nasuverse Thread Discussion

You are right, but since he is the title holder, I will continue to respond to what he says

 

[Fezzih_007]

You are right, but since he is the title holder, I will continue to respond to what he says

You should't do It, If is not about the fight trought.

 

[Wankbreaker]

There is no possibility of Nasu disagreeing with me on this issue because I am the one who has put forward the arguments necessary not to contradict Nasu, not Nasu

Nasu directly says it is the same Shiki from KNK.

Your claim that there is no contradiction clearly shows your prejudice against the series. Please don't continue to claim otherwise on this issue, it won't change the outcome because I have exposed the contradiction.

There isn't. I've previously explained why.

You keep distorting what I said. I didn't say that Ryougi Shiki's body is not Ryougi Shiki's body in a way that would leave readers in doubt. You are just trying to limit Void Shiki by saying that he is nothing but Ryougi Shiki's body. Basically, Void Shiki doesn't even have a body, his human or servant form is just a tool. I have given the arguments that I think you can understand this in my previous articles.

—Correct. I am the essence of Ryougi Shiki. The essence which does not appear. Since the fleshly body is indeed unable to "think," and since that is all I am, under normal circumstances I would simply have rotted away in that thoughtless state without ever rising to the surface.



—I do, after a fashion. A personality of the flesh as such arises in every human, but ordinarily it does not come to any kind of self-awareness. Usually, before that can happen, the intellect stirs to life. From out of the body, more precisely the brain, the intellect is produced.

—The intellect borne out of the brain's activity becomes a personality and gains executive function over the fleshly body. At that point any personality which dwelt in the flesh becomes meaningless.

—It's because of this that the intellect tends to treat the brain which gave birth to it as if it were something specially set apart from the rest of the fleshly body, even though it is just one part of the whole.

—Software is useless without hardware, but hardware can't function without software. The personality borne of the intellect forgets this truth: it forgets that it is the body's product, and it imagines that it is the creator of this fleshly, embodied "I" which it finds itself to be. That is the ordinary case. I am different only in that the order in which these things happened was different for me.

And finally I never claimed that something other than the Origin created everything, you are again changing this sentence in your favor. For you to say that everything needs "0", you need a "definite" proof that 0 refers to the Origin. I said here that it would be a possibility and an assumption, and that there is also the case that it does not refer because we cannot identify it with "0". Please read what I wrote carefully

“After you scraped off something’s existence to the extreme, to the point you could say it no longer has any, “something” still remains.”The extreme “One” they say “no two of” can be found.The “Zero” that is beyond it… the concept of “ ”.
0 is obviously referring to the root and its nature that created all things that exist (1)

 

[Cautiousexedius]

Nasu directly says it is the same Shiki from KNK.

Are you really still going to say that? I think you insist on saying it because there's nothing else left to say.

There isn't. I've previously explained why.

I have explained everything you mentioned in this thread and I really doubt that you read what I wrote.

Correct. I am the essence of Ryougi Shiki. The essence which does not appear. Since the fleshly body is indeed unable to "think," and since that is all I am, under normal circumstances I would simply have rotted away in that thoughtless state without ever rising to the surface.



—I do, after a fashion. A personality of the flesh as such arises in every human, but ordinarily it does not come to any kind of self-awareness. Usually, before that can happen, the intellect stirs to life. From out of the body, more precisely the brain, the intellect is produced.

—The intellect borne out of the brain's activity becomes a personality and gains executive function over the fleshly body. At that point any personality which dwelt in the flesh becomes meaningless.

—It's because of this that the intellect tends to treat the brain which gave birth to it as if it were something specially set apart from the rest of the fleshly body, even though it is just one part of the whole.

—Software is useless without hardware, but hardware can't function without software. The personality borne of the intellect forgets this truth: it forgets that it is the body's product, and it imagines that it is the creator of this fleshly, embodied "I" which it finds itself to be. That is the ordinary case. I am different only in that the order in which these things happened was different for me.

What is the reason for this quote from Kara no Kyoukai Epilouge? Void Shiki is talking here about she is the personality of the body. I meant that you shouldn't limit Void Shiki to his body. A personality condition due to the distinction between Void/Shiki/SHIKI cannot be a limitation for Void. She is already the "essence" of all of them.

After you scraped off something’s existence to the extreme, to the point you could say it no longer has any, “something” still remains.”The extreme “One” they say “no two of” can be found.The “Zero” that is beyond it… the concept of “ ”.
0 is obviously referring to the root and its nature that created all things that exist (1)

After you have scratched the existence of something to the extreme, to the point where you can say that it no longer exists, the "something" still remains. To say that this remaining thing is 1 and what is beyond that is 0 is not enough to say that you are referring to the Root, the Root must be beyond 0.
"If you really wished to pronounce this term, call it "Kara."
Its meaning varied depending on each individual's understanding. To put it in simple terms, it was the Spiral of Origin.
However, since the Spiral of Origin was called the Spiral of Origin, it was no longer " ". "

 

[Cautiousexedius]

You should't do It, If is not about the fight trought.

If the title holder agrees, of course

 

[Karabach-barabach]

Guys, for the love of God and all that is holy, move this away from the thread and let's stick to the main topic. It was fun reading both of your sides, but this thread is getting clogged just like every Nasu thread I saw whenever someone disagrees with the before established opinion about something. Let's not repeat this cycle

 

[KingNanaya]

this thread is getting clogged just like every Nasu thread I saw whenever someone disagrees

real

 

[Fezzih_007]

If the title holder agrees, of course

Nah, you can just ignore him if he continues.

 

[Deadlock-333]

Nah, you can just ignore him if he continues.

I agree it's pretty obvious why he's doing this

 

[Hypercyber37]

#justiceforshiki

 

[Robo432343]

Shiki FRA
This match can probably be added to the profiles now

 

[Cautiousexedius]

I agree it's pretty obvious why he's doing this

What do you think the reason is?

 

[Cautiousexedius]

#justiceforshiki

Haters are never finished

 

[Wankbreaker]

Shiki FRA
This match can probably be added to the profiles now

Will add it later

 

[Wankbreaker]

But seriously, what keeps lancer from using his thrown Gae Bolg to one shot? Or just Gae Bolg in general

 

[Fezzih_007]

But seriously, what keeps lancer from using his thrown Gae Bolg to one shot?

Shiki, she gonna kill him or destroy Gay Bulge before he uses It.

 

[Wankbreaker]

Shiki, she gonna kill him or destroy Gay Bulge before he uses It.

It has causality manipulation.

Gáe Bolg possess a powerful curse which reverses causality, allowing Cu to always pierce his opponents heart with the Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death by reversing causality, so the effect of the target's heart being stabbed occurs before the cause of the attack. As the curse affects destiny itself, those that are wounded by the spear are unable to heal the wounds it inflicts

 

[Fezzih_007]

It has causality manipulation.

Shiki, she gonna kill him or destroy Gay Bulge before he uses It.

 

[Wankbreaker]

The lance is going to hit her heart before he even tries to attack her. Read the description more closely

effect of the target's heart being stabbed occurs before the cause of the attack

 

[Fezzih_007]

The lance is going to hit her heart before he even tries to attack her. Read the description more closely

before he uses It.

He kinda have to activate the Gae Bolg by saying it name to use that, which not gonna happen before Shiki kills the weapon or Shiki kills him.