Virgo Shaka x Infinite Zamasu

[noninho]

Both at Low 2-C

R1: unequal speed, Shaka has 59s of prep time
R2: equal speed, no prep time

Shaka:
Infinite Zamasu:
Incon:

 

[noninho]

I Adventure to say Shaka wins in all rounds, but let's see DB Supporters come here and say something

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Is this supposed to be a spite thread? We don't need this kind of toxicity here.

 

[noninho]

Is this supposed to be a spite thread? We don't need this kind of toxicity here.

Dafuq?
No it is not

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Well, in that case, i apologize.

 

[noninho]

R1: Shaka needs a minute of meditation to use an attack that has the power of a big-bang
R2: really think Shaka can wreck zamasu via skill, maybe AP diff and abilities
R3: does speed matter for Shaka winning or not? Massively FTL X Omnipresent

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Can she interact with Infinite Zamasu?

 

[noninho]

Law manip, Miracles, Astral projection, reality manip, matter manip, he himself having acausality, soul manip.

I see plenty of ways so I suppose we can say yes easily

Edit: also, Shaka is a man

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Hmmm... Do these work on beings with AE?

My bad then.

 

[noninho]

Well, he's fused with the universe, so even soul manip should really be working
And I forgot: normal beings have 5 senses and knights of his level have 8...literally. so I think he'll be sensing zamasu as well

 

[Quantu]

Shaka lacks the range to fully kill Zamasu though, no?

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Well, he's fused with the universe, so even soul manip should really be working
And I forgot: normal beings have 5 senses and knights of his level have 8...literally. so I think he'll be sensing zamasu as well

No, not really. You need feats to interact with and affect beings with Abstract Existence. Interacting with souls isn't enough.

 

[noninho]

Shaka lacks the range to fully kill Zamasu though, no?

Range: Interstellar, Galactic with Sight Unsealed and 8th Sense, Universal / Cross-Dimensional with Psychokinesis. Intergalactic, Universal with Agyo in Astral Form.

 

[noninho]

No, not really. You need feats to interact with and affect beings with Abstract Existence. Interacting with souls isn't enough.

In The case of zamasu it is, since he has a soul
And there are other ways, I talked about them.

 

[Quantu]

Range: Interstellar, Galactic with Sight Unsealed and 8th Sense, Universal / Cross-Dimensional with Psychokinesis. Intergalactic, Universal with Agyo in Astral Form.

Zamasu is a Universal+, Likely Low Multiversal Omnipresent.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Zamasu is a Universal+, Possibly Low Multiversal Omnipresent.

does the low multiversal have something to do with Zeno

 

[Quantu]

From his Range: At least Universal+, likely Low Multiversal (His influence was starting to bleed over into other timelines)

 

[noninho]

Zamasu is a Universal+, Likely Low Multiversal Omnipresent.

Likely and talking about his range isn't enough
He's fused with the universe, so for sure affecting the entire universe is enough to affect him (and his dura is universe+ so yeah)

 

[noninho]

does the low multiversal have something to do with Zeno

Nope, it is because he was "bleeding" into other timelines until Zeno killed him

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

"Likely" or "Possibly" are usable in Vs matches.

No, if you nuke the universe, Zamasu will keep existing as an AE being.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

"Likely" or "Possibly" are usable in Vs matches.

No, if you nuke the universe, Zamasu will keep existing as an AE being.

so conceptual hax is required

 

[Quantu]

Universal and Universal+ are very different. Please refer to our Range page

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

so conceptual hax is required

No, just NPI to interact with AE beings.

 

[noninho]

"Likely" or "Possibly" are usable in Vs matches.

No, if you nuke the universe, Zamasu will keep existing as an AE being.

With his dura being universal+, someone who has universe range and universe+ AP will affect it.

No, just NPI to interact with AE beings.

If the other things I mentioned aren't enough, Saint Seiya's Miracles are. Literal and simply multiple statements of "making the impossible".

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

With his dura being universal+, someone who has universe range and universe+ AP will affect it.

Enough AP, but not enough range. Zamasu can also withstand Low 2-C attacks.

3-A range is worthless against a Low 2-C/2-C sized being

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

If the other things I mentioned aren't enough, Saint Seiya's Miracles are. Literal and simply multiple statements of "making the impossible".

You need feats on this wiki.

 

[noninho]

For R1: only one second needed to execute Agyo, so Shaka wins (Agyo, via Shaka's profile: "Agyo is an attack that replicates the birth of the universe. Shaka and Shijima created and destroyed countless universes in their battle as a result of spamming their attacks.")

For R2: Equal speed+ miracle (and law manip, I forgor)+ intangibility+ a **** ton of techniques

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

MFTL+ speed is useless against Omnipresence.

 

[noninho]

You need feats on this wiki.

Read the profile

 

[noninho]

MFTL+ speed is useless against Omnipresence.

Then R1 he loses, proceed to R2

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Read the profile

"making the impossible" is a huge NLF on itself.

 

[noninho]

3-A range is worthless against a Low 2-C/2-C sized being

Range: Interstellar, Galactic with Sight Unsealed and 8th Sense, Universal / Cross-Dimensional with Psychokinesis. Intergalactic, Universal with Agyo in Astral Form.
Via the range page, Cross-Dimensional>Universal+>Universal ,"but that may not necessarily travel a universal distance".
Well, it does since, recaping Shaka's Range:
"Universal / Cross-Dimensional with Psychokinesis".
And he affects Zamasu via Miracle

 

[noninho]

"making the impossible" is a huge NLF on itself.

NLF? I really dunno what it means

 

[StrymULTRA]

she

uhm...

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Interdimensional range is below Low 2-C range, what the hell are you talking about? Check the range page.

 

[noninho]

Interdimensional range is below Low 2-C range, what the hell are you talking about? Check the range page.

How do you say he would need to get to low 2-C range to manage to beat zamasu when it's only a possibility that zamasu is that wide?

 

[Quantu]

How do you say he would need to get to low 2-C range to manage to beat zamasu when it's only a possibility that zamasu is that wide?

Nono, he's 100% Universal+ Range, he has "Likely" Low Multiversal Range

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

How do you say he would need to get to low 2-C range to manage to beat zamasu when it's only a possibility that zamasu is that wide?

Zamasu is Low 2-C AND possibly 2-C sized. Read the pages please, i beg you.

 

[noninho]

Zamasu is Low 2-C AND possibly 2-C sized. Read the pages please, i beg you.

If you mean AP, guess who's also low 2-C...?

 

[Dragonite007]

If you mean AP, guess who's also low 2-C...?

He means size