Smart Ass VS Serial Killer

[XxZetsuxX]

Manabu vs Dexter (Season 8)

Rules:

• Speed is unequalised.
• Starting Distance: 10 meters
• Location: Supermarket
• No prep time or prior knowledge
• Dexter only has a knife on him
• Manabu's AP: 4,6 KJ
• Dexter's AP: 31.6 KJ

	Manabu's advantages: More Skilled More analytical Better senses Higher LS Higher Stamina Higher combat speed	Manabu - Pyro9278, Fallen_Angelicx, XxZetsuxX, TheHuntsman1001, DeltaStriker22, RoggerReggor, Scrostinger
	Dexter's advantages: More experienced Higher range Higher AP & Durability Armed More skilled with weapons Higher travel speed Higher perception speed Higher IQ	Dexter -

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

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[RoggerReggor]

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Manabu most likely has higher stamina than Dexter, based on their profiles.
What's Dexter armed with? His standard equipment or his optional equipment (which includes rifles) too?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Manabu most likely has higher stamina than Dexter, based on their profiles.
What's Dexter armed with? His standard equipment or his optional equipment (which includes rifles) too?

Just his knife

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Manabu most likely has higher stamina than Dexter, based on their profiles.

I will fix it then

 

[RoggerReggor]

Just his knife

Alright, there's a 6.87x difference in their APs.
However, considering how the speed is unequalised and Manabu has an advantage here by 1.6x here in combat and reactions, I don't think Dexter's greater perception makes it any better for him.

If anything, Manabu also has Analytical Prediction which allows him to predict and dodge attacks even while being blindfolded, his ability to adapt and learn is also highly notable.

I don't think that Dexter really has any edge over here, aside from the AP difference.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Manabu will start Aikido which is mostly LS based MA as he did against Koji

The knife is a problem but only a little due to ANPR + speed advantage

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I would like to mention that Manabu technically upscales by a big margin his LS

He physically stomps the person who did the class 1 feat

 

[Pyro9278]

The speed gap isn't even double, so unless it scales, Dexter shouldn't have too many problems. His perception speed should also give him an advantage in anticipating attacks. The LS gap will be a problem, as Dexter could be easily disarmed, which is quite likely to happen considering the skill advantage.

Now, the AP gap is large enough to overshadow the LS gap, and even large enough to make any attack hurt, and if it doesn't knock Manabu out, he'll have a hard time withstanding it.

I'm going to wait and see what arguments develop, since both have good advantages.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The speed gap isn't even double, so unless it scales,

Tbf, he kinda upscales a little bit the 84,4 m/s value lol

Now, the AP gap is large enough to overshadow the LS gap, and even large enough to make any attack hurt, and if it doesn't knock Manabu out, he'll have a hard time withstanding it.

He could restrain both hands technically..

Edit: And let's not forget he can induce fear in him with his presence which scared an entire gynasium filled with people

 

[Pyro9278]

Tbf, he kinda upscales a little bit the 84,4 m/s value lol

He could restrain both hands technically..

And Dexter has a head, elbows, and legs. He doesn't even need to be an experienced fighter to use it. Besides, if you get into melee range, it's unlikely you won't get hit, even if you're faster. Although the skill advantage could help Manabu pull it off.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And Dexter has a head, elbows, and legs. He doesn't even need to be an experienced fighter to use it.

If he is on top of you with both hands restrained, you won't be able to use legs or elbows and if he can, the damage won't hurt enough due to being in a bad position

As for the head, if he places both of Dexter's hands in his neck, he won't be able to do much, also a headbutt? Manabu won't lower his stance that much to get head butted in the first place

Besides, if you get into melee range, it's unlikely you won't get hit, even if you're faster. Although the skill advantage could help Manabu pull it off.

Anpr + Fear + Speed should help even better

 

[RoggerReggor]

The speed gap isn't even double, so unless it scales, Dexter shouldn't have too many problems. His perception speed should also give him an advantage in anticipating attacks. The LS gap will be a problem, as Dexter could be easily disarmed, which is quite likely to happen considering the skill advantage.

Now, the AP gap is large enough to overshadow the LS gap, and even large enough to make any attack hurt, and if it doesn't knock Manabu out, he'll have a hard time withstanding it.

I'm going to wait and see what arguments develop, since both have good advantages.

It's true that the speed gap isn't double, but Manabu has a fully-haxxed analytical prediction from a feat where he predicted someone's attack fully while having his eyes covered with snow, this someone scales to a speed roughly equal to what Dexter does and Manabu had never fought this person or seen them do an attack ever, he simply predicted it via a large range of stuff which is narratively unrevealed.

Plus, Manabu is a highly skilled fighter, in fact, above the level of a genius, he has 5th dan in karate (requires like 15-20 years at least) and 4th dan in aikido (requires like 10-15 years at least) at the age of just 17-18. This should probably indicate that he isn't really that dumb to actually be hit by Dexter's any of the attacks for the most part.

And Manabu also has a higher stamina advantage, which should help him to restore energy for attacks much faster.

And in my opinion, 1.6x speed gap is still a notable gap, anything above 1.5x is kind of crazy honestly. I personally draw the line at 1.1-1.2x of speed. Dexter still has a notable gap to overcome in their speeds. I would have probably disagreed and said that Manabu shouldn't be able to dodge every attack here if the speeds were roughly equal, but 1.6x is a gap where it helps him a lot, even if he can't readily blitz Dexter.

Just to say, I am not voting for now.

 

[Pyro9278]

And let's not forget he can induce fear in him with his presence which scared an entire gynasium filled with people

Honestly, that kind of "fear induction" seems too exaggerated to be a real problem. It's not even genuine fear manipulation, just social influence, unless there's something supernatural involved requiring supernatural willpower

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Plus, Manabu is a highly skilled fighter, in fact, above the level of a genius, he has 5th dan in karate (requires like 15-20 years at least) and 4th dan in aikido (requires like 10-15 years at least) at the age of just 17-18. This should probably indicate that he isn't really that dumb to actually be hit by Dexter's any of the attacks for the most part.

Technically 14 since that was the last time Suzune saw her brother (ANHS doesn't really let outsiders get in after all) and Manabu wouldn't be able to practise his MA either way

 

[RoggerReggor]

Manabu will start Aikido which is mostly LS based MA as he did against Koji

Unlikely, Manabu is more experienced in karate than in aikido and most of the times, he should probably use that. Aikido in general is still a more strikes-powered martial art. However, Manabu does do moves of lifting people like he was going to throw Suzune in Y1V1 for sure, so yes, that's that.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Honestly, that kind of "fear induction" seems too exaggerated to be a real problem. It's not even genuine fear manipulation, just social influence, unless there's something supernatural involved requiring supernatural willpower

Being natural has little relevance

If Dexter has not showned any resistence to fear natural or not, he will get affected

 

[RoggerReggor]

Technically 14 since that was the last time Suzune saw her brother (ANHS doesn't really let outsiders get in after all) and Manabu wouldn't be able to practise his MA either way

I have already said that I agree with this interpretation, but I would hate to make confusion for people who haven't read the LN. I will use that argument only when needed.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I have already said that I agree with this interpretation, but I would hate to make confusion for people who haven't read the LN. I will use that argument only when needed.

It's kinda stated in the profile already actually

• Accelerated Development (Training: Skill - By age 14 he was already dan in Aikido and 5th Dan in Karate)

 

[RoggerReggor]

It's kinda stated in the profile already actually

• Accelerated Development (Training: Skill - By age 14 he was already dan in Aikido and 5th Dan in Karate)

I see, then that's understandable.

 

[Pyro9278]

Being natural has little relevance

If Dexter has not showned any resistence to fear natural or not, he will get affected

Technically and essentially? Yes, because social influence does not induce a fear that cannot be overcome by humanly possible means, so Dexter shouldn't have any problems with that.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Technically and essentially? Yes, because social influence does not induce a fear that cannot be overcome by humanly possible means, so Dexter shouldn't have any problems with that.

That's not how it works

You are right that natural fear can be overcomed, but if even students cannot overcome that fear until he goes away, that means Dexter will be affected as well unless you show feats of him overcoming fear

Otherwise, that's just NLF

Edit: And in the case you show feats, the feats needs to be equal or superior in potency of what is showned

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I feel like we are understating how valuable "experience" is here. Dexter is experienced and used to killing, while Manabu has no real experience outside training, especially not used to killing.

So yeah, I think experience>skill in this case.

 

[Pyro9278]

• Likely Empathic Manipulation (When he's younger he seems confused and even amazed by the idea of feeling fear, and later he stands on top of a building trying to evoke some kind of fearful reaction but seemingly fails. Despite being shot at point blank range by Tony, Dexter simply smiled as the bullet barely missed him, and later he was shown to be faking his fearful reaction the whole time. Didn't understand why Harry was upset despite the fact that Dexter was currently cutting up a body)

I don't think most people would be indifferent to having a gun pointed at them or someone being murdered, so... Yes, Dexter should get over it.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I feel like we are understating how valuable "experience" is here. Dexter is experienced and used to killing, while Manabu has no real experience outside training, especially not used to killing.

So yeah, I think experience>skill in this case.

Not quite

Dexter has no experience in dealing with someone as skilled as Manabu

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't think most people would be indifferent to having a gun pointed at them or someone being murdered, so... Yes, Dexter should get over it.

Ok, this works just fine ig

 

[Pyro9278]

I feel like we are understating how valuable "experience" is here. Dexter is experienced and used to killing, while Manabu has no real experience outside training, especially not used to killing.

So yeah, I think experience>skill in this case.

What does experience have to do with skill if you've never faced an enemy comparable to it? Nothing in Dexter's verse compares to Manabu's skills.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

What does experience have to do with skill if you've never faced an enemy comparable to it? Nothing in Dexter's verse compares to Manabu's skills.

Following this, all of his opponents are inferior or equally as skilled as him i would assume

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Not quite

Dexter has no experience in dealing with someone as skilled as Manabu

Now that is just a false equation.

I directly stated he is far more used to fighting with killing intent, and concluded it is more useful for this fight than Manabu's skill.

 

[Pyro9278]

Okay, so the current debate is:
Manabu outspeeds Dexter with his AnPr (technically a gap comparable to that of the average human and an athlete) and easily disarms Dexter, but Dexter could easily outrun him and overwhelm him with a gap of almost one punch.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Now that is just a false equation.

I directly stated he is far more used to fighting with killing intent, and concluded it is more useful for this fight than Manabu's skill.

Well if your point is to say he won't get affected by Manabu's SI fear then sure (only because of his reaction to guns) because otherwise

The killing intent you speak of is fodder to the gynasium feat and would make him get affected

 

[Pyro9278]

Now that is just a false equation.

I directly stated he is far more used to fighting with killing intent, and concluded it is more useful for this fight than Manabu's skill.

And what is the point of this? Having experience killing or having murderous intentions makes no difference against a more skilled opponent

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Btw, the outskill gap might be higher than i thought

Suzune who has ANPR and 3 martial arts gets outskilled by Ibuki who has 1 martial arts and no ANPR

Manabu stomps these 2

 

[Pyro9278]

Btw, the outskill gap might be higher than i thought

Suzune who has ANPR and 3 martial arts gets outskilled by Ibuki who has 1 martial arts and no ANPR

Manabu stomps these 2

The amount of martial arts doesn't influence skill, so it's not something that makes someone's skill quantifiable. Although I suppose stomping on someone who's stomping on someone else with AnPr should be a significant feat.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The amount of martial arts doesn't influence skill, so it's not something that makes someone's skill quantifiable. Although I suppose stomping on someone who's stomping on someone else with AnPr should be a significant feat.

It's an increase nonetheless

Btw, i think pressure points can make Dexter stunned as it is showned to be very painful and make him also unable to breath temporarely

 

[Pyro9278]

It's an increase nonetheless

Btw, i think pressure points can make Dexter stunned as it is showned to be very painful and make him also unable to breath temporarely

Yes, I think Manabu has a pretty good chance of winning this. The skill gap helps him a lot. The biggest problem is obviously surviving an almost one-hit AP attack, since Manabu has much higher stamina than Dexter, yes, but has he dealt with one-hit attacks or anything like that?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yes, I think Manabu has a pretty good chance of winning this. The skill gap helps him a lot. The biggest problem is obviously surviving an almost one-hit AP attack, since Manabu has much higher stamina than Dexter, yes, but has he dealt with one-hit attacks or anything like that?

I believe not

 

[Pyro9278]

I believe not

Well, both have very plausible winning conditions. It's also possible that Dexter will try to use the space to corner Manabu and attack him, although I doubt he won't anticipate this.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Well, both have very plausible winning conditions. It's also possible that Dexter will try to use the space to corner Manabu and attack him, although I doubt he won't anticipate this.

I can assure you throwing stuff at him won't work since he has feats for this XD

I am leaning towards Manabu due to my reasons though

Skill Stomp (imo) + Speed + PP + Higher LS + Senses

 

[Pyro9278]

Yeah
Manabu FRA