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put the line of natural enemies here.I think that the main page's quote could be changed to the "Natural Enemies" line since its the main quote of the series and the most iconic IMO.
Also I do think we should use the official English names since these will be the ones that most people will associate with, and are the currently official ones used
I think we can just scale Daikokuzan to 7-B/7-A knowing the world governments have tried everything against him and nothing worked and that world seems analogue to ours technology wise
That's not really clear enough. There's no indication that the robot's laser can scale with the spaceship's durability. It's probably just the attack power.Daikokuzan is at least 7-A considering Kiva shat himself when he saw the Madalan Mothership showing up to the point he went "Gotta tell Jachi we found something that matches the Great Demon Lord", while he didn't feel the same in regards to the Robot's super laser beam that cut through a hill that is 7-A
Kiva didnt really know what the ship could do other than it being massive and colossal in size, he had no idea how powerful the canons are. For him, it was more because of the stature of the warship. So I feel like it would be fair to at least scale the Madalan's mothership to the Robot's laser since he was not at all impressed by it like he was by the Madalan's spacecraftsThat's not really clear enough. There's no indication that the robot's laser can scale with the spaceship's durability. It's probably just the attack power.
As you said it should beKiva didnt really know what the ship could do other than it being massive and colossal in size, he had no idea how powerful the canons are. For him, it was more because of the stature of the warship. So I feel like it would be fair to at least scale the Madalan's mothership to the Robot's laser since he was not at all impressed by it like he was by the Madalan's spacecrafts
It is. But at least that's a 2x increase.Got 8774000kgf no clue if that's still Class M or not
Put it in the sandboxVersus: Madaran Ship Explodes
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6-C Daikokuzan
Versus: Galua's Sonic Boom Shockwave
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Supporting Low 7-C+ feat for the Madarans
Justifications feel too shaky.Why?
Why? Pakkya is shown being able to harm Hallow and Kiva, he took a hit from Kiva and was considered a capable fighter like HallowJustifications feel too shaky.
He isn't "extremely exhausted," because that isn't stated until the next chapter, and SPECIFICALLY in reference to him having fought an army, and him literally bleeding from a headbutt while the guy headbutting him is unnaffected speaks for itself. They're both shown sweating the same amount a few pages later.He makes Hallow bleed when the latter is already extremely exhausted and he still takes on the attack rather casually.
Somewhat, but he's just saying a guy that scales an unknown amount higher than him is probably stronger than Hallow, that can be argued as a minimal distance at best.Even the man himself indirectly puts Hallow on somewhat of a pedestal when talking about Gigatila.
Wow, a shot to the back with an energy attack while he was off-guard and exhausted did damage? That's crazy, imagine if he stood back up in the next chapter and it was just a big burn with bleeding and he was still ready to fight.Besides a random attack from base Kiva was already enough to heavily injure Pakkya.
That's exactly what he had been doing until Pakkya came.SPECIFICALLY in reference to him having fought an army,
You know, Pakkya is the one striking. Of course, it will be Hallow who bleeds. It is not like people suffer themselves when punching someone.him literally bleeding from a headbutt while the guy headbutting him is unnaffected speaks for itself
Using their strongest guy for comparison isn't minimal distance.Somewhat, but he's just saying a guy that scales an unknown amount higher than him is probably stronger than Hallow, that can be argued as a minimal distance at best.
The last time I checked, Pakkya's back wasn't some kind of weak spot. And Pakkya wasn't as nearly exhausted as Hallow. It barely should have made a difference.Wow, a shot to the back with an energy attack while he was off-guard and exhausted did damage?
Did you want the attack to turn him into a red paste or something? All that injury happened from an 8-C attack. No way Pakkya is low 7-C.That's crazy, imagine if he stood back up in the next chapter and it was just a big burn with bleeding and he was still ready to fight.
Note how he only says he's tired in the next chapter. He says he's weaker than when they fought before due to defending against the army. The entirety of his defense against the army did not take place within the time between them fighting and him being headbutted.That's exactly what he has been doing until Pakkya came.
Yeah.You know, Pakkya is the one striking. Of course, it will be Hallow who bleeds.
Yes, they do. Besides, go headbutt someone in the head, tell me how it feels.It is not like people suffer themselves when punching someone.
He says he's probably stronger, and for all we know, he's the second strongest.Using their strongest guy for comparison isn't minimal distance.
He was shot from behind while looking forward and moving forward, and he fell forward due to an attack that pushed him forward. I don't see the issue.The last time I checked, Pakkya's back wasn't some kind of weak spot.
Not my point.And Pakkya wasn't as nearly exhausted as Hallow.
If it was enough to oneshot him, he wouldn't have gotten back up almost immediately.Did you want the attack to turn him into red paste or something? All that injury happened from an 8-C attack. No way Pakkya is low 7-C.
But a significant amount of it took place there. It is also by far the most significant part considering he gets supported by the rest of humanity for the rest of the fight after getting headbutted.Note how he only says he's tired in the next chapter. He says he's weaker than when they fought before due to defending against the army. The entirety of his defense against the army did not take place within the time between them fighting and him being headbutted.
I have done a lot of headbutting in my childhood. The other party usually suffers far more.Yes, they do. Besides, go headbutt someone in the head, tell me how it feels.
That's a huge stretch but fine.He says he's probably stronger, and for all we know, he's the second strongest
The isssue is that fact that he got heavily injured not the fact that he fell.He was shot from behind while looking forward and moving forward, and he fell forward due to an attack that pushed him forward. I don't see the issue.
But my point.Not my point.
When did I say that it was enough to one-shot him? I already said that I am fine with Pakkya scaling to base Kiva. It is Low 7-C that I have problem with. Someone who got injured to that extent from 8-C would be instantly vaporized by Low 7-CIf it was enough to oneshot him, he wouldn't have gotten back up almost immediately
Yeah? Well, how's it gonna feel if the opponent is significantly superior to you?I have done a lot of headbutting in my childhood. The other party usually suffers far more.
It's not at all a huge stretch. This guy could be anywhere from a miniscule amount to an infinite amount stronger than him, he's just stronger.That's a huge stretch but fine.
Wow, the giant fireball burned him? Crazy. If he was heavily injured, he wouldn't be getting up that quickly, and he would be struggling much more once he did. Plus, the attack had high enough heat to burn him, the raw power wasn't the only source of damage.The isssue is that fact that he got heavily injured not the fact that he fell.
Does Base Kiva scale to 8-C while Hallow is Tier 7?When did I say that it was enough to one-shot him? I already said that I am fine with Pakkya scaling to base Kiva. It is Low 7-C that I have problem with. Someone who got injured to that extent from 8-C would be instantly vaporized by Low 7-C
How long's that wait again?Let's agree to disagree. We can discuss it later when profiles release.
idk. I am pretty sure the initial plan was to release the profiles by chapter 10.How long's that wait again?
Sure, it’s strange. There’s nothing that indicates the bomb is just floating in the sky alone.I feel weird about Cal 6-C.
For me, it should be the lowest and best calculation.Sure, it’s strange. There’s nothing that indicates the bomb is just floating in the sky alone.
Ah. Reckon it has to do with how they keep pumping out new characters?idk. I am pretty sure the initial plan was to release the profiles by chapter 10.
I disagree with the speed at which Kiva deflects the beam. Light cannot bend like that, but when Kiva deflects it, the light bends. It shouldn't be at the speed of light.
It should be like that.It should be like that.For me, it should be the lowest and best calculation.
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