You literally have no idea what I'm even arguing at this point. You believe that "all of creation" refers to the entire Silver Sea as well. I'm claiming that there's no proof that the Silver Sea is a creation. What I'm not doing is claiming that the Silver Sea isn't a creation. See the difference? I'm disagreeing with your claim of a positive, but I'm not claiming a negative.
Yes, he didn't know about the Silver Sea at that time. He made that comment in Arc 1. The Silver Sea isn't introduced until Arc 11.
The statement comes from Narrative not from Anos. Also Venozdonor working fine in Silver Sea Whats the problem? Beside Anos is implied to be reincarnation of first Demon King of Silver Sea.
This thing didn't get retconned later on in the story and Venuzdonoa kept it's invisibility Even later on as per lore and so unless there is something that is not creation, it's futile and even OP admits that start 3 points are weak so his only main argument is 4th that is, silversea
Show me "all of creation" scan and link the source.
Cool. That isn't proof that Venuzdonoa can destroy the Silver Sea though. Especially when, again, he didn't know about the Silver Sea when he made that comment.
Your OP premise is based on all of Creation Bullshit.
What does Anos possibly being the reincarnation of Amr have to do with anything? He didn't even know who Amr was or have any memories of him until after he discovered the Silver Sea.
Drop the scans for "all of creation " and Link for the source. Also you don't need memories to claim something.
My premise is based on the fact that the reason VsB scales Venuzdonoa to the Silver Sea is because of that creation statement, where they assume that the Silver Sea is still a part of creation.
Then changing the reason for AP scaling is enough not downgrade.
It is doing enough favour knowing you are arguing with non existent evidence where I actually have a source and a narrative statement. That's Comes from Narrative
We know it works that way in the Militia World. We also know it works in other Worlds. But how is that proof that it can destroy the Silver Sea itself? That's way too flimsy of a statement to base your entire argument on in order to treat Venuzdonoa scaling to the Silver Sea as a fact. Especially given that narratively, the Silver Sea wasn't introduced at the time of that statement either.
Narrative statement > what you feel and think.
Reddit of all places? I tried posting respect threads with calcs there and the mods removed them with one of the reasons (obviously excluding the legit ones) being "We don't like calcs!" Come on. If you have a bad rep in Reddit of all places (which hates calcs, thus already making it illegitimate), then you're not gonna get anywhere here either.
I don't have a bad reputation on Reddit or anything like that. I only just started posting on the MGnF subreddit very recently, and I have a lot more positive karma than negative karma. Not that it means much of anything. Just that this guy is lying about my reputation.
OP started claiming
Let's go over the facts;
Already pointed out Venozdonor destroys the reason and author literally created the series he knows what to do with his own work. At this point you are questioning the narrative knowledge of author himself.
Check NEP page. Graham surving the Venozdonor attacks would give him a better feats for NEP it's not an anti feat. This lame ass excuse was used by Tiktok scalers many times it's sad to see it in wiki.
You said all of that just to say nothing. The LN is based on the WN. It might change or improve things here and there, but it largely follows the original story in the WN. The LN statement that you keep using is simply a slight alteration of the original WN statement, and in the WN the Silver Sea wasn't even a thing until 10 arcs later, so both statements, whether in the WN or LN, can only be proven to refer to the Militia World. Anything beyond that is speculation.
Statement comes from Narrative and Anos Source comes from Silver Sea. He even had a small consciousness before even Fetus form was formed inside his mother womb. His mother is from Silver Sea.
At this point you are Contradicting yourself.
Do you have any scans, that says venzudonor was unable to destroy it or it was failed to destroy anything.
It is literally working fine in Silver Sea. Also as already said Anos mother is from silver sea. Narratively shu planned how the lore would progress. It's OP burden to show anti feats instead of making false claims.
Also can you ask the OP to post the scans for all of creation and reason for why his fan translation > offical translation. I find it funny because how most of his arguments comes from Ignorance. He is not trying to tackle the point with Anti feats and proof instead he is arguing with his own belief.
No, it really isn't his burden. If the profile claims something then it should show support for that, preferably with scans not the other way around.
Reason Encompasses Everything in the verse and my point was Shuu already planned what he was writting. Silver Sea introduction was later doesn't mean a thing. Because Venozdonor statement comes for destroying the Concept of Reason itself. No matter whatever the reason size or power it will destroy it all.
I already said we should change the explanation for AP section not that Downgrade the whole thing. Anyway i guess @Dereck03 , will answer your questions later for further explanation. I am going to sleep anyway.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, the entire scaling comes from this statement and there is no other support for it anywhere else and no actual feat on this level in the entire series. Alright then.
If you came to my verse and your downgrade is "there's no actual feat that X scales to Y whatsoever. Are there any statements and such for it?", then sure. I'll post the scans for it and the supporters will elaborate and we can move on.
It has feats what' do you mean?. Sword destroys the reason itself. A statement with enough feats and no anti feats should be enough. Also why should Anos uses Venozdonor to destroy the Silver Sea? Dude complete sea has worlds and people exists inside of it he wants to avoid unnecessary killing. I don't know why you are asking for something extraordinary proof where other feats of sword destroying the logic is enough to back it up.
I am doing the same here but ignored i guess.
I'm asking for actual evidence such as feats and statements that it can significantly affect the entire Silver Sea other than that original quote (unless the "destroys reason" statement specifies that it'd affect the entire Silver Sea via sheer power, in which case feel free to post it).
I asked for a scan of a statement or supporting feat that involves significantly affecting the whole Sea. Thus far, you've told me Anos' mother is from there, Venuzdonoa works there and that he destroys reason.
Silver Sea is made up of fire dew which flows out of the worlds. Again I think you are misunderstanding how reason works in the verse. Silver Sea exists itself is a reason and Lion of Artzenon stated to destroy the complete Sea.
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Prologue Author note. Also offical translation doens't have creation thing.
Complete Narrative is on based on first person. That is still Narrative.
Lion of Artzenon stated to be able to destroy the Silver Sea
He literally created EGA without having knowledge of Silver Sea. I don't see a problem him Creating something which can destroy Silver Sea without having knowledge of Silver Sea.
The prologue author note does not say anything about Venuzdonoa destroying all things in creation or "no matter how infinite they are".
Which is a non-omniscient narrative, as it is based on his point of view. Therefore limited to his perception and what he knows. You people treat it as an omniscient source that retroactively conforms with whatever happens later on in the plot, which wouldn't be true at all here.
Irrelevant to what I'm saying. Don't bring unrelated things for the sake of bringing them.
Apples and oranges. EGA cant destroy Silver Sea either, so not sure why you are even mentioning it.
