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Mostly taken from my reddit post: Venuzdonoa Explained [1st Part - Spoiler Free/2nd Part - Spoilers]
Make sure to read through all of my points first before you come to any conclusions.
"Venuzdonoa can destroy all things in creation. No matter how tough, eternal or infinite it is, Venuzdonoa will destroy it alongside its reason."
Because of this statement, it is widely believed that Venuzdonoa can destroy the entire Silver Sea, and that because Anos' "True Power" is considered superior to Venuzdonoa, that Anos can also destroy the entire Silver Sea. There are 4 things wrong this interpretation; 1. Anos didn't know that the Silver Sea existed when he made this statement. He wasn't referring to the Silver Sea. 2. Neither Venuzdonoa or Anos himself has feats even remotely comparable to destroying the entire Silver Sea. 3. The reason why Anos was unaffected when Venuzdonoa was used against him (and why people consider Anos' "True Power" to be superior to Venuzdonoa) is because his Purple Magic Eyes have superior reason-destroying hax to Venuzdonoa. 4. The most important point is that nowhere in the story is the Silver Sea ever referred to as a creation by any of the characters or exposition. In the Silver Sea, bubbles come into existence on their own in the 0th Layer. Then a God of Creation is born into that bubble, and they create a World. Then Gods that embody the concepts of that World are born, followed by other races. Creation refers to the World that has been created by the Goddess of Creation and everything in it. There are countless bubbles in the Silver Sea with countless Gods of Creation who've created Worlds inside those bubbles. However, as far as we know, the Silver Sea itself has no creator and is not a creation. Not once throughout the story has it been referred to as a creation. It's always been spoken of like it's just there. There is no proof and no implications within the story that that the Silver Sea is a creation. It would be nothing more than headcanon to assume that it is, and headcanon is never viable to be used as a fact.
Venuzdonoa has no anti-feats to it's original statement. It has worked in deeper worlds just fine, reason being that it's deep magic to begin with, so nothing would interfere with it exerting it's Order of Destruction. The thing is, the statement is that Venuzdonoa can destroy all things in creation, no matter how eternal or infinite. Deeper Worlds are all creations by their God of Creation, but the Silver Sea isn't. So all the statement would mean is that Venuzdonoa works just as effectively whatever World it's in, not that it can destroy the Silver Sea.
If either Venuzdonoa or Anos himself proves that he can destroy the entire Silver Sea later in the novel, then I will gladly eat my words. Until then, there is no proof, so I stand behind my current argument.
Edit: (New Argument I just thought of against the LoD reasoning)
One of the biggest points that's been made in the thread has to do with how important Order is in the Silver Sea. Well, I have a point to make in response;
According to the Order of the Silver Sea, Chief Gods are the strongest beings of their World. Therefore, according to this Order, Yzak scales above the Lions of Destruction. Lions of Destruction aren't misfits according to the Order of Evezeino, because the LoD's very power comes from all of the cravings in Evezeino. Their power is the very incarnation of Evezeino's cravings.
Parrington made the "fated to destroy the Silver Sea" statement in context of Anos being a near-perfect incarnation of the LoD. A perfect incarnation of the LoD wouldn't be any stronger than Yzak, the Chief God of Evezeino. And Yzak can't destroy the Silver Sea.
Before anyone has the chance to say something like, "but Anos overcame his LoD impulses, he's stronger than a Lion of Destruction", remember, Parrington made the statement he did in context of the perfect incarnation of a Lion of Destruction itself. Yzak>"Perfect incarnation of LoD".
Anos himself is a different matter, but that interpretation of Parrington's statement still doesn't apply.
Edit 2: Both @EldemadeDityjon and @ImmortalDread claimed that I was lying and being dishonest about the scans I used to support my claim that the Vortex that Anos destroyed wasn't in the Abyssal World below 99+ layers of the Silver Sea, but in the Abyss of Craving of Evezeino. Because of this, I've decided to post here what I feel to be the most obvious undeniable piece of evidence that supports my claim;
Current state of the Thread:
Agree: @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara @Everything12 @Zencha9 @Lynieryz @theultimate5105
Neutral: @Planck69 @RM97 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Vietthai96
Disagree: @Tatsumi504 @Dereck03 @Godsatoshi23 @EldemadeDityjon @Problemexe @Tarang123 @Reiner @ImmortalDread @wwereymy235 @Artorimachi_Meteoraft @Overlord_THE_END @Rendynoc0unter @God900 @Ottavio_Merluzzo @Fixxed @Flashlight237 @Sacchan @Robo @DarkDragonMedeus @Just_a_Random_Butler
Essentially, what I'm arguing is that Venuzdonoa shouldn't be stated to scale to the Silver Sea because no statements or feats prove that it does, and while there are no "anti-feats" (make sure to have read what I said about anti-feats and the Silver Sea as a whole), that isn't enough to prove it scales to the Silver Sea.
Make sure to read through all of my points first before you come to any conclusions.
"Venuzdonoa can destroy all things in creation. No matter how tough, eternal or infinite it is, Venuzdonoa will destroy it alongside its reason."
Because of this statement, it is widely believed that Venuzdonoa can destroy the entire Silver Sea, and that because Anos' "True Power" is considered superior to Venuzdonoa, that Anos can also destroy the entire Silver Sea. There are 4 things wrong this interpretation; 1. Anos didn't know that the Silver Sea existed when he made this statement. He wasn't referring to the Silver Sea. 2. Neither Venuzdonoa or Anos himself has feats even remotely comparable to destroying the entire Silver Sea. 3. The reason why Anos was unaffected when Venuzdonoa was used against him (and why people consider Anos' "True Power" to be superior to Venuzdonoa) is because his Purple Magic Eyes have superior reason-destroying hax to Venuzdonoa. 4. The most important point is that nowhere in the story is the Silver Sea ever referred to as a creation by any of the characters or exposition. In the Silver Sea, bubbles come into existence on their own in the 0th Layer. Then a God of Creation is born into that bubble, and they create a World. Then Gods that embody the concepts of that World are born, followed by other races. Creation refers to the World that has been created by the Goddess of Creation and everything in it. There are countless bubbles in the Silver Sea with countless Gods of Creation who've created Worlds inside those bubbles. However, as far as we know, the Silver Sea itself has no creator and is not a creation. Not once throughout the story has it been referred to as a creation. It's always been spoken of like it's just there. There is no proof and no implications within the story that that the Silver Sea is a creation. It would be nothing more than headcanon to assume that it is, and headcanon is never viable to be used as a fact.
Venuzdonoa has no anti-feats to it's original statement. It has worked in deeper worlds just fine, reason being that it's deep magic to begin with, so nothing would interfere with it exerting it's Order of Destruction. The thing is, the statement is that Venuzdonoa can destroy all things in creation, no matter how eternal or infinite. Deeper Worlds are all creations by their God of Creation, but the Silver Sea isn't. So all the statement would mean is that Venuzdonoa works just as effectively whatever World it's in, not that it can destroy the Silver Sea.
If either Venuzdonoa or Anos himself proves that he can destroy the entire Silver Sea later in the novel, then I will gladly eat my words. Until then, there is no proof, so I stand behind my current argument.
Edit: (New Argument I just thought of against the LoD reasoning)
One of the biggest points that's been made in the thread has to do with how important Order is in the Silver Sea. Well, I have a point to make in response;
According to the Order of the Silver Sea, Chief Gods are the strongest beings of their World. Therefore, according to this Order, Yzak scales above the Lions of Destruction. Lions of Destruction aren't misfits according to the Order of Evezeino, because the LoD's very power comes from all of the cravings in Evezeino. Their power is the very incarnation of Evezeino's cravings.
Parrington made the "fated to destroy the Silver Sea" statement in context of Anos being a near-perfect incarnation of the LoD. A perfect incarnation of the LoD wouldn't be any stronger than Yzak, the Chief God of Evezeino. And Yzak can't destroy the Silver Sea.
Before anyone has the chance to say something like, "but Anos overcame his LoD impulses, he's stronger than a Lion of Destruction", remember, Parrington made the statement he did in context of the perfect incarnation of a Lion of Destruction itself. Yzak>"Perfect incarnation of LoD".
Anos himself is a different matter, but that interpretation of Parrington's statement still doesn't apply.
Edit 2: Both @EldemadeDityjon and @ImmortalDread claimed that I was lying and being dishonest about the scans I used to support my claim that the Vortex that Anos destroyed wasn't in the Abyssal World below 99+ layers of the Silver Sea, but in the Abyss of Craving of Evezeino. Because of this, I've decided to post here what I feel to be the most obvious undeniable piece of evidence that supports my claim;
| Source: https://ncode.syosetu.com/n1578dx/631/ A tremendous amount of magical power gathered in the magic circle he drew. "<Vortex>" One word, Hermide muttered. The whirlpool of Nijiji, which was scattered and spinning around, gained even more momentum. Before long, it created a whirlpool of water currents and a whirlpool of magical power, and began to stir <Abyss of Craving>. The vortex that had only affected Nijiji interfered with the water flow and the magic field, and was finally reflected clearly in the demonic eye. Source: https://ncode.syosetu.com/n1578dx/632/ The ear-splitting roar reminds me of the sound of something being out of place. <Calamity Abyss of Craving>, the bottom of the water is cut off along with the strata, and slowly released from the calamity world. "It's like a prelude to the collapse of the world." However, Evezeino barely manages to keep its original form. |
Current state of the Thread:
Agree: @Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara @Everything12 @Zencha9 @Lynieryz @theultimate5105
Neutral: @Planck69 @RM97 @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Vietthai96
Disagree: @Tatsumi504 @Dereck03 @Godsatoshi23 @EldemadeDityjon @Problemexe @Tarang123 @Reiner @ImmortalDread @wwereymy235 @Artorimachi_Meteoraft @Overlord_THE_END @Rendynoc0unter @God900 @Ottavio_Merluzzo @Fixxed @Flashlight237 @Sacchan @Robo @DarkDragonMedeus @Just_a_Random_Butler
Essentially, what I'm arguing is that Venuzdonoa shouldn't be stated to scale to the Silver Sea because no statements or feats prove that it does, and while there are no "anti-feats" (make sure to have read what I said about anti-feats and the Silver Sea as a whole), that isn't enough to prove it scales to the Silver Sea.
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