Vegeta vs Supergirl

[Son_Gandhi]

Both 3-A, speed is equalized.

- win by ko or death - takes place in the sahara desert

- Votes for Vegeta: 7 (GyroNutz, RapidMotorcycle19, JackJoyce, Jimboydejuan12, Demonic Empress, Frantzy12, DragonEmperor23)

- Votes for Supergirl: 0

 

[Son_Gandhi]

Bump

 

[Malikobama1]

Another stomp match, this time for AP reasons. Supergirl is scaled to Pre-Crisis Superman who's ranked 3-A for his big bang and Maldoor feats. The DC universe is so much bigger than DB's has shown to be that a 3-A in DC is gonna be like a million times baseline whereas Vegeta is just somewhat above baseline.

 

[Huesito88]

oh no

 

[Huesito88]

I don't think we rated Pre Crisis that high in 3-A............

 

[Son_Gandhi]

This is 3-A vegeta from just before breaking his limits and becoming low 2-c, he knocked down supressed jiren with his final flash as 3-A so dont downplay like that. Also a universe in dragonball is an entire macrocosm. Vegeta's 3-A form is way above baseline. Baseline would be ssgod goku from when he fought beerus.

 

[Huesito88]

Vegeta stays 3-A he isn't going to go Low 2-C. (Since you specifed there 3-A forms)

 

[ProfessorLord]

Another stomp match, this time for AP reasons. Supergirl is scaled to Pre-Crisis Superman who's ranked 3-A for his big bang and Maldoor feats. The DC universe is so much bigger than DB's has shown to be that a 3-A in DC is gonna be like a million times baseline whereas Vegeta is just somewhat above baseline.

What? You're saying Supergirl is stronger because her universe is larger and therefore her universal feats are more impressive? Can I see some proof?

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Vegeta fra

 

[Huesito88]

There are no reasons!

 

[Son_Gandhi]

I'm not saying he's going to go low 2-c. I was just letting malikobama know that this 3-A Vegeta is the one who used final flash on jiren and is way above baseline.

 

[Huesito88]

Alright, also Malikobama1 your going to have to make a CRT because I don't remember us rating Pre Crisi that high into 3-A

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

You are doing it wrong.

You gotta use this

 

[Huesito88]

Expect that one time, but that was a invalid calc =P

 

[Son_Gandhi]

Who is voting for who? And @rapidmotorcycle which reasons are you referring to?

 

[Malikobama1]

I thought this was common knowledge on this site, it comes from the 100 trillion light years statement. Before anyone says, "but that's post-crisis" DC universes have been reset and changed but always take up the same amount of space, they just exist on different vibratory planes.

 

[GyroNutz]

Vegeta is far, far above baseline in his SSB form, not sure if it's an AP stomp persay, tho supergirl has the AP advantage for sure.

Although I don't think this should be allowed. It's basically just an alternate form of Goku vs Superman which definitely aren't allowed.

 

[Son_Gandhi]

This doesn't seem too controversial to me, superman and goku is different level of controversy and this seems like a civilised debate so far.

 

[Cthala]

pretty sure current base vegeta has universal AP/DC

also Dragon Ball universe is also like our own universe "likely infinite"

and that is just the living universe.

 

[Son_Gandhi]

You're right about base Vegeta, this is ssj blue Vegeta from the TOP before he broke his limits. He was able to knock down suppressed jiren with his final flash, suppressed jiren was low 2-c also. Anyway I would like to see some votes on this.

 

[GyroNutz]

we calculate universal level via the observable universe. if you want to upgrade vegeta to being High 3-A then make a CRT, but I don't think it will get far.

anyway supergirl via heat vision, TK, time travel, mind control. resisting Babidi shouldn't mean anything here. Did I mention the likely AP advantage?

only thing Vegeta has is reactive power level and rage boost, which likely won't come into play here and wouldn't close the gap enough anyway, and an advantage in terms of experience which he may not even abuse if he underestimates his opponent due to his cockiness. he wouldn't try to take the fight to somewhere where there's a red star in character as he'd have no reason to and is too prideful to exploit that anyhow.

voting supergirl no-diff

 

[Huesito88]

Last I checked Pre-Crisi character don't have a ap advatage against Db top tier 3-A, infact I'm pretty sure Db has a huge ap advatage.

 

[Celestial_Judge]

Supper girl fra

 

[GyroNutz]

assuming she doesn't have the AP advantage, what would supergirl lead with?

 

[Son_Gandhi]

Remember Vegeta could knock down a low 2-C in this state so pretty sure he has ap advantage or they are at least around the same ballpark. Also why disregard Vegeta resistance to babidi, doesn't make sense, Supergirl is not going to win with mind hax, it is not in character for her to time travel and kill younger Vegeta so there is no way this a stomp for Supergirl, this is not a stomp for either of them.

 

[Schnee_One]

I still don't understand why people use knocking down people infinitely above them as feats instead of disregarding it as an outlier.

 

[Akreious]

Lets go down the list of her abilities.

Heat vision, completely worthless. Cellular Ki Blasts blow this out of the water.

TK, literally anyone worth a damn has this to some degree and is OOC for supergirl to use anyways

Mindcontrol, again, hilariously OOC.

Time Travel, this is as OOC as it gets. So, useless.

Were left with AP, And last i checked, DB top tiers massively overpowers this version of Supergirl.

 

[Genericstickman]

this is just a Goku vs Superman debate but with there friends of the same race

 

[GyroNutz]

Remember Vegeta could knock down a low 2-C in this state so pretty sure he has ap advantage or they are at least around the same ballpark. Also why disregard Vegeta resistance to babidi, doesn't make sense, Supergirl is not going to win with mind hax, it is not in character for her to time travel and kill younger Vegeta so there is no way this a stomp for Supergirl, this is not a stomp for either of them.

none of that answers my question of what supergirl would lead with.

Vegeta knocking down Jiren is, again, a massive outlier. If it was realistic, everyone in the ToP would be knocked out by Jiren simply noticing them.

Babidi's mind control shouldn't be comparable to supergirl's, but it's OOC anyway, apparently

this all comes back to AP. If Malikobama was right and the DC universe is millions of times bigger than the DB universe then supergirl no-diffs. If the DC universe is the same as the DB universe in terms of size then Vegeta has the AP advantage in the thousands, bare minimum, and this would be a stomp no matter what you say about it.

 

[Son_Gandhi]

@gargoyle vegeta knocking down jiren was not an outlier, jiren was supressed, final flash gives a huge exponential boost and it barely damaged jiren, he got up right after and bodied vegeta with more ki. Even if we dont use vegeta knocking down jiren it wont change the fact that vegeta in the TOP is massively 3-A and should have more or at least around the same ap as supergirl.

 

[GyroNutz]

supressed Jiren is low 2-C, you can't power yourself up to low 2-C without becoming low 2-C yourself

 

[Son_Gandhi]

You know in Dragonball charging up a kamehameha or final flash and other ki attacks raises your power level right? Like when raditz read goku's power level increasing as he charged his kamehameha. So yes Vegeta did hit an attack able to very briefly hurt/knock down low-2-C jiren and it is not an outlier. Also there is the fact that jiren allowed him to power up his final flash to the max.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Alright, also Malikobama1 your going to have to make a CRT because I don't remember us rating Pre Crisi that high into 3-A

Pre-Crisis Superman was like, quadrillions of times baseline, and that was before the size of the DCU was found out to be 100 trillion LY in diameter. Of course, the former is up to debate, but the 3-A DC characters are (at least) 1075.2688172 times baseline. It's not that much different than Bayonetta's 3-A characters.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, molecular heat vision > cellular ki blasts, and Vegeta hurting SUPPRESSED Jiren isn't as impressive as you're making it out to be. Is Cell Saga Tien High 4-C for stunning Semi-Perfect Cell now?

 

[Genericstickman]

Also, molecular heat vision > cellular ki blasts, and Vegeta hurting SUPPRESSED Jiren isn't as impressive as you're making it out to be. Is Cell Saga Tien High 4-C for stunning Semi-Perfect Cell now?

maybe? I honestly don't know

 

[GyroNutz]

You know in Dragonball charging up a kamehameha or final flash and other ki attacks raises your power level right? Like when raditz read goku's power level increasing as he charged his kamehameha. So yes Vegeta did hit an attack able to very briefly hurt/knock down low-2-C jiren and it is not an outlier. Also there is the fact that jiren allowed him to power up his final flash to the max.

There's never been any showing of a DB character becoming 4TH DIMENSIONAL by powering up an attack. That's like saying SSJ2 Vegeta during BoG arc is Low 2-C for throwing down with Beerus when at that point he wasn't even universal.

 

[Son_Gandhi]

@gyro beerus was suppressed like below 1% and its not the same situation. - I'm not saying this 3-A Vegeta is low 2-C but I am saying his fully charged final flash was low 2-C. Final flash gives a huge exponential increase when fully charged and Vegeta had a "pride amp" as well as picollo notes when he says that jiren provoked vegeta's pride. The actual point I'm trying to make is that Vegeta is massively 3-A and should he right up there with Supergirl if not higher in terms of AP.

 

[Son_Gandhi]

@cal, tien may not have been high 4-C but his attack gave enough of a power boost that doing it repeatedly was able to hold cell back. He may not have been far from high 4-c to be fair.

 

[Genericstickman]

Tian holding Cell back was probably due to Cell having to keep on healing after getting attacked over and over and due to that he's unable to put his guard up on time

 

[GyroNutz]

@gyro beerus was suppressed like below 1% and its not the same situation.
- I'm not saying this 3-A Vegeta is low 2-C but I am saying his fully charged final flash was low 2-C. Final flash gives a huge exponential increase when fully charged and Vegeta had a "pride amp" as well as picollo notes when he says that jiren provoked vegeta's pride. The actual point I'm trying to make is that Vegeta is massively 3-A and should he right up there with Supergirl if not higher in terms of AP.

even the highest exponential increases of 3D power never reach 4D. Along with this, the Jiren that Vegeta knocked over should also be below 1%, so it's very much the same situation, though none of that matters since logically speaking, 1% of 4D power is still 4D power. Dragon Ball does weird stuff with dimensional scaling, and it shouldn't be taken as anything but an outlier, lest you suggest that Hit, Android 17, Frieza and Vegeta's SSB Final Flash all get Low 2-C keys/mentions.

The reason Vegeta is massively 3-A isn't some weird stuff with getting hits off on Jiren or anything like that. It's because he's far superior to Goku when he did his universe-destroying punches, and I'm well aware that full power SSB Vegeta is well above 1000x universal.

If Supergirl scales to the 1075 x universal feat, Vegeta AP stomps

If Supergirl scales to the quadrillions x universal thing, she AP stomps

Retracting my vote for now.