Upgrading Composite Human to Possibly 9-B when using Hysterical Strength

[Megaquake2012]

So, Composite Human has been downgraded to Street+ since his kicks are 8 KJ and the criteria for Wall has been raised from 5 KJ to 15 KJ.

However I think he should get a Possibly or likely 9-B rating for Hysterical Strength. I understand that we don't know just how many times Hysterical Strength multplies our strength.

But we do know that it enables average people to lift cars and possibly much more and that it triggers rapid development of the Muscles.

So I think we should add a Possibly 9-B rating for Composite Human with Hysterical Strength as it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume.

 

[Unimportantalt]

probably could work yeah. that guy fought a lion and one person managed to fight a bear in that state so

 

[Megaquake2012]

Bumpity bump.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I suppose this would be fine.

 

[Ugarik]

I don't understand why bears and lions are 9-B. It's not like they can damage a wall at all

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I agree.

@Ugarik They are that level via sheer size and speed. Lion and bears can break walls if they run full speed towards a wall.

Btw punching holes in walls is still Wall level.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I would like to bring something up that was brought up before as well:

We're going full composite here, right?

Magnetism Manipulation, some humans can become magnets

Resistance to Electricity Manipulation via this

Precognition and Enhanced Senses via this

Wall level via hysterical strength, we don't need "possibly". This shows many examples of hysterical strength, most of them lifting cars, so Class 5. This guy called Lydia Angiyou fought a polar bear.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

According to this, average polar bears weigh at least 350 kg and are 40 km/h, so around 21.6 kilojoules.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Spino How exactly did that battle play out?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

The media described the polar bear as "no match" for the mother.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Spino Would she really need to generate as much energy as the Bear does in charging at 40 km/h in order to defeat it?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I don't know the details, but Wall level is highly likely for hysterical strength, cuz CH is already Street level+ in base.

 

[Ugarik]

I agree.
@Ugarik They are that level via sheer size and speed. Lion and bears can break walls if they run full speed towards a wall.

Btw punching holes in walls is still Wall level.

If the human can stop a bear or a lion running at full steed I agree as well

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

bump

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Combined Human needs an upgrade as well. Even weak guys are 9-B with hysterical strength, most of the examples of hysterical strength are angry mothers or teenagers.

So assuming a baseline of 15 kilotons, or 15 000 Joules, and multiply it by 107 602 707 791 (the number used on our Combined Human age) the result is 1.614e+15 Joules, or Large Town level.

By using a relativistic system, and use 70 kgs as the mass of the human, and use the relativistic kinetic energy formula, we get that it's 6 790 000 m/s according to this calculator, or 2.26% the speed of light, Sub-Relativistic.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I'm also fine with these changes.

 

[Eficiente]

I'm iffy about this, how long does it last at best?

 

[Megaquake2012]

I'm iffy about this, how long does it last at best?

It lasts up until the situation ends. I'd give it atleast an hour since Wikipedia says "Mrs. Angela Cavallo, lifted the car high enough and long enough for two neighbours to replace the jacks and pull Tony from beneath the car"

 

[Eficiente]

I don't think that would take an hour, but I guess it should be fine.

 

[Antvasima]

We cannot use multipliers for composite profiles, only use the peak feats that have actually been demonstrated.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

If a woman has outmatched a polar bear when performing hysterical strength, that actual feat should be Wall level.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I agree with the proposed upgrades and resistances.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the initial suggestion has been rejected. Sorry.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Yes, the initial suggestion. I was moreover referring to Spino's proposals.

 

[Therefir]

There are animals that should be downgraded to Street level+.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Is a polar bear one of those animals? Polar bears are pretty big animals.

 

[Antvasima]

We need scientifically reliable sources and measurements, not tabloids.

I would prefer if we close this.

 

[Therefir]

I think that Composite Human is a little bit wanked, Shogun Rua's kicking power is actually stronger than Bren Foster's, but his speed is only 17.43 m/s.

The program that says Bren Foster can kick up to 60 m/s is not reliable.

 

[Therefir]

This is the source in 6:43.

 

[Antvasima]

@Therefir

Can you write a new calculation blog for the new value?

 

[Therefir]

The result that gave me was ridiculously low, I suggest that someone watch the video and calculate Bren Foster's speed.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

May I ask why was the initial suggestion rejected? It makes perfect sense.

 

[XING06]

The car feat should not be considered. Lifting a car is accomplished mostly through leverage and weight distribution, which make the feat closer to a couple hundred pounds instead of around 3500-4000+ lbs. There are quite a few examples of weightlifters lifting the front of a sedan around a foot off the ground. See sources here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV0CTolIb94 (here he is not using hysterical strength but he does have 2 nice solid levers and a fulcrum to lift with), https://www.thecut.com/2016/05/you-could-probably-lift-a-car-if-you-really-needed-to.html, http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160501-how-its-possible-for-an-ordinary-person-to-lift-a-car,

Hysterical strength allows humans to fight with animals but we still can't kill them with our fists. In each situtation, the human was up close. Bears and lions aren't built for punching or slapping motions. They can't get anywhere near their full force which is why we can survive a few hits.

A more impressive feat is someone climbing a mountain and punching a boulder that was rolling at him out of the way. Not sure how big it was, but still a solid appreciable large rock. I'll try to find the news article.

The best proof for 9-B is here: A study states that adrenaline increases peak muscle tension by an average of 2.7% per 10 microgram injection. That doesn't seem like much, but we need to take a few other things into account - for the same injection of adrenaline, time to reach peak tension is decreased by 8 milliseconds (-8.42%) and the point at which you can again cause the muscle to contract is also decreased by 28.7 milliseconds (-15.60%). The average peak twitch tension increase of 2.7% doesn't seem like much, but it means that pretty much all of the skeletal muscle in your body increased by 2.7% (up to 600+ skeletal muscles). In addition, your muscles are firing roughly 1.25x as fast as normal. Overall, that tells you that adrenaline at 10 micrograms (acute stress normally only gives around 2.5-5 micrograms of adrenaline if I remember correctly) can cause a peak rise in tension of 2.7% (which if we multiply by all the muscles which would be a massive high end would give an increase of 19 times our regular strength but I would say that we use maybe only around half that at most b/c not all of our muscles are used in every motion) and an increased rate of contraction of roughly 1.25x the norm (with a liberal estimation).

So it is possible I guess? Do note though that a good punch is more dependent on throwing your weight forward/using your body weight at a high speed than actual muscle contraction.


PS: If you are using MMA figures from ESPN or Bloody Elbow don't trust them so comepletely. Those figures are highly off most of the time. A pro-boxer is only around 1400 lbs tops of force and that's a super heavy weight. St. George Pierre has a supposed value of 2000+ lbs and he's a cruiserweight at best. It physically is impossible, not to mension that MMA fighters tend to have sloppier weaker punches as they have to be prepared to fight in grappling too. The Shogun Rua kick is probably OK. It seems more accurate as a good kick is around 2-3 times stronger than a punch and based on their weight they should have probably a 900 lb punch so 2700 lbs is around right.

Seriously though I gave the Ben Foster kick a look I don't think it is actually that fast. Among martial artists Sports Science is something of a joke so I would calc it if possible to verify. Even the fastest soccer kick (some of the best kickers in the world) isn't that fast assuming your foot is moving the same speed as the ball which it isn't (110~ mph tops). I heard somewhere that the fastest martial arts kick was in the range of 70 mph but I don't have a hard source.

 

[XING06]

Also why is it still Street Level+? He's at barely half the value now right? What justifies the +?

 

[Antvasima]

@XING06

Thank you for the help to debunk this.

The + sign is used for characters that have been calculated to be past the halfway point between the lower and upper border of a tier.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

So is this rejected?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Why is this rejecyed?

 

[Antvasima]

Because it is based on the scientifically unproven flawed premise that humans can get several times stronger through hysteria, and because we can only use actual measured feats to scale from, not hypothetical multipliers.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

This is not a hypotheyical multiplier. Wall level comes from fighting a polar bear.

 

[Antvasima]

In real life, it is not necessarily required to be physically stronger to fight something else, given the right equipment and superior skill.

Also, a tabloid is not a reliable source.

My apologies, but this does not seem reliable at all, so it has to be rejected.