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TCG
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Oh yeah totally
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Its kinda hard to argue that its an outlier though seeing as up until gen 4 piloswine was a fully evolved pokemon and its among quite a few other stage 1 pokemon with feats on that level
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I already explained why it's not an outlier actually.
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Honestly there are definitely mid-stages that are stronger than others
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Piloswine's should be applied to the stronger ones
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I would like to ask what we do about pokemon who don't evolve currently some are 7-C others are 7-A.
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It should b split honstly, some are demonstrably stronger than others
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That's fair
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If that's the case shouldn't we do something similar for pokemon with only one evolution I mean Ninjask and Shedinja are seemingly the only ones to be treated weaker.
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Weaker 1st evolution mons would be just an higher level of 8-A?
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Weaker 1st evos would be High 7-C
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Piplup's feat got discarded tho. Other ones?
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Still waiting for someone to calc Bloom Doom after two years ;-;
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First stages from baby pokemon scale to basics and I think first stages without evolutions upscale from normal first stages.
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So in short
Baby: 8-C
Stage 1: 8-A because of Scorbunny's feat
Weaker Stage 2: At least 8-A+ until someone finds feats for them
Strongest Stage 2: 7-A for Piloswine (Magnitude 9 is 476.88 Megatons) because of it being even backed from Pupitar's feat, which is casual.
Stage 3: At least 7-A+ (>x2 boost because of stats items always being x2 in boost, evolution not being higher doesen't make sense) for base ones, backed from Tyranitar making casually feats above Pupitar's and even changing the maps casually supports it being > Piloswine's feat.
Dynamax: whoever applies should just be x2 because the whole "x2 HP thing", so it should apply to all the stats lore-wise.
Megas/Z moves/Gigamax: At least High 7-A, likely higher (still >x2 boost from base for same reason, Gigamax isn't >x2 Dyna as it's superior to the latter on an unknown amount, so is a safe end)
Baby: 8-C
Stage 1: 8-A because of Scorbunny's feat
Weaker Stage 2: At least 8-A+ until someone finds feats for them
Strongest Stage 2: 7-A for Piloswine (Magnitude 9 is 476.88 Megatons) because of it being even backed from Pupitar's feat, which is casual.
Stage 3: At least 7-A+ (>x2 boost because of stats items always being x2 in boost, evolution not being higher doesen't make sense) for base ones, backed from Tyranitar making casually feats above Pupitar's and even changing the maps casually supports it being > Piloswine's feat.
Dynamax: whoever applies should just be x2 because the whole "x2 HP thing", so it should apply to all the stats lore-wise.
Megas/Z moves/Gigamax: At least High 7-A, likely higher (still >x2 boost from base for same reason, Gigamax isn't >x2 Dyna as it's superior to the latter on an unknown amount, so is a safe end)
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This is pretty worth to see.
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One of the middle evolution birds can make hurricane force winds iirc
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btw where did yall find the pilloswine feat?
Here are my 2 cents on the scaling
i think pilloswine would be a bit lower than final stages as it is indeed still a first stage evo. Even it's base stats are notably inferior.
Basically
baby: 9-A (the calc got revised to that unless i am missing sth)
1 stage: 8-A
2nd stage: at least 8-A, likely higher (agree with your statements)
2nd stage pseudo: 7-B (scale to dragonair)
2nd stage top: 7-A (the pilloswine feat)
3rd stage: 7-A
mega evos: at least 7-A+, likely high 7-A (in case of direct scaling the mega evo 2x multiplier is less than 1gt but in case we scale above pilloswine it will be above 1gt)
z-moves: high 7-A
Gigantamax: at least high 7-A (Ill figure out the multiplier in a bit, but it is at least 4x)
Here are my 2 cents on the scaling
i think pilloswine would be a bit lower than final stages as it is indeed still a first stage evo. Even it's base stats are notably inferior.
Basically
baby: 9-A (the calc got revised to that unless i am missing sth)
1 stage: 8-A
2nd stage: at least 8-A, likely higher (agree with your statements)
2nd stage pseudo: 7-B (scale to dragonair)
2nd stage top: 7-A (the pilloswine feat)
3rd stage: 7-A
mega evos: at least 7-A+, likely high 7-A (in case of direct scaling the mega evo 2x multiplier is less than 1gt but in case we scale above pilloswine it will be above 1gt)
z-moves: high 7-A
Gigantamax: at least high 7-A (Ill figure out the multiplier in a bit, but it is at least 4x)
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Scorbunny's feat is heat-based, it can't be used for anything aside Scorbunny's (and comparable Pokémon) fire-type moves.
Also, just like there's the problem of weaker and stronger middle evolution, the same could be applied to first forms. As some questioned, Ryhorn is likely superior to normal first forms.
Babies also should go to 9-A once the meteor feat is recalced, as 8-C comes from withstanding the impact, which is unproven (and some questioned this in the past).
Also, just like there's the problem of weaker and stronger middle evolution, the same could be applied to first forms. As some questioned, Ryhorn is likely superior to normal first forms.
Babies also should go to 9-A once the meteor feat is recalced, as 8-C comes from withstanding the impact, which is unproven (and some questioned this in the past).
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we could theoretically find some better feats but there is an 8-B feat for 1 stage pokemon. We could find a better feat for 2nd stages so they can at least be at 8-A or we could severely downscale them from dragonair as they should be at least somewhat comparable.
also why is diglett feat gone?
also why is diglett feat gone?
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Pidgey's Gust power creates tornadoes. It also has a Sand Attack.
i also saw a screenshot from pokemon generations where a bunch of taillows were near a few huge tornadoes. anyone know the context of that scene?
i also saw a screenshot from pokemon generations where a bunch of taillows were near a few huge tornadoes. anyone know the context of that scene?
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Magneyon has an 8-A feat too
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They were getting murked by Kyogre's giga **** you storm if you're talking about what I think you are.
This?
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Which Diglett's feat are you talking about?
If Magnitude, it has been deemed to unreliable and inconsistent to be used (see the previous messages). We also need to be careful when using moves as a basis, names and in-games animations are often misleading or not representative of the reality (and even currently they aren't given for granted).
Magneton's feat is also weird, because just like heat, electricity, cold and so on it's technically an actual discharge of energy but I'm not sure if it can scale to durability and if it Magneton can actually focus or even just use it for its attacks.
If Magnitude, it has been deemed to unreliable and inconsistent to be used (see the previous messages). We also need to be careful when using moves as a basis, names and in-games animations are often misleading or not representative of the reality (and even currently they aren't given for granted).
Magneton's feat is also weird, because just like heat, electricity, cold and so on it's technically an actual discharge of energy but I'm not sure if it can scale to durability and if it Magneton can actually focus or even just use it for its attacks.
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