Unofficial Powers and Abilities Addition Thread Infinite

[Hasty12345]

Essence similar to info 2? That's so silly. If anything it'd be similar to Concept type 1...

Functionally, it sounds like it would be type 2 info for people as opposed to reality

Edit:

The current information manipulation page lists the 2 types as written,

1. Knowledge: These characters can manipulate information as the medium of knowledge as opposed to just manipulating what a specific person knows, which would be considered Mind Manipulation. Characters with this ability can, for example, destroy information on a subject and by that make it inherently unknowable. Other examples of uses would be to prevent information from leaving an area, making it so that those outside can't gain knowledge of what is happening inside, or altering information to change what people know about the subject into something else.
2. Fundamental: These characters can manipulate information, which serves as fundamental building block of reality. This can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality. These manipulation can come on many levels. For some it might just be the mechanism behind mundane magical abilities, while others can rewrite information to change reality, causality or the laws of nature.

What if we introduce a third type for metaphysical aspects ("Metaphysical" or some other name), if I came up with some criteria would any staff sponsor a thread being made for it to be discussed or would I be wasting my time?

 

[Phoenks]

Platonic concepts are almost identical to "essence," for example.

 

[Vietthai96]

Essence is just an all-catching term for many, a very broad term in and of itself, it could be concept, could be information, could be thing like soul or law, etc.....like how Abstraction is, reminded me that QuasiYuri back then want to make an Abstract Manipulation page

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

What if we introduce a third type for metaphysical aspects ("Metaphysical" or some other name), if I came up with some criteria would any staff sponsor a thread being made for it to be discussed or would I be wasting my time?

I would prefer it be its own page. Considering how Sailor Moon lost the ability because there isn't a scan that called it information exactly. This would work best as a catchall.

 

[Hasty12345]

I would prefer it be its own page. Considering how Sailor Moon lost the ability because there isn't a scan that called it information exactly. This would work best as a catchall.

That problem would persist regardless of the name of the page.

Functionally, what’s being advocated for is the same as information manipulation so it should be a new IM type if anything.

 

[Vietthai96]

Idk why you hinged on it as something being the same as information or anything thing deep, multiple abilities can achieve similar result, just because there are one destination doesn't mean it started from the same starting point, so nothing you mentioned is the same as information or concept, etc....

 

[Hasty12345]

Idk why you hinged on it as something being the same as information or anything thing deep, multiple abilities can achieve similar result, just because there are one destination doesn't mean it started from the same starting point, so nothing you mentioned is the same as information or concept, etc....

Fundamental aspects at their core are more often then not a form of information. You don’t have to “dig deep” to come to that conclusion.

 

[Vietthai96]

Fundamental aspects at their core are more often then not a form of information. You don’t have to “dig deep” to come to that conclusion.

And?? Why it must be information and not something else simply such as soul, mind, or the more realistics thing such as space-time or atoms, matters??, why it must be hardwired that it should be information??, sematically i can call many thing fundamental, you literally dig deep to make thing more complicated than it should be

 

[Hasty12345]

And?? Why it must be information and not something else simply such as soul, mind, or the more realistics thing such as space-time or atoms, matters??, why it must be hardwired that it should be information??, sematically i can call many thing fundamental, you literally dig deep to make thing more complicated than it should be

Why would fundamental aspects that aren’t souls, minds, space times or atoms be souls, minds, spacetime or atoms?

No offence, I think you’ve just missed the point. I’m not talking about aspects that already fit into those categories but are a deeper level of abstraction. I thought that was clear, my apologies for being confusing.

 

[Vietthai96]

Why would fundamental aspects that aren’t souls, minds, space times or atoms be souls, minds, spacetime or atoms?

No offence, I think you’ve just missed the point. I’m not talking about aspects that already fit into those categories but are a deeper level of abstraction. I thought that was clear, my apologies for being confusing.

Concept is also deeper abstract, and it isn't information, arguable Law also a deeper abstract, still isn't information. Plot/Narration too. Abstract is an all-catching term for thing that is abstract, doesn't make everything conceptual despite concept being abstract. Idk why we must hardwire something that is deeper level of abstraction must be either conceptual or informational.

 

[Hasty12345]

Concept is also deeper abstract, and it isn't information, arguable Law also a deeper abstract, still isn't information. Plot/Narration too. Abstract is an all-catching term for thing that is abstract, doesn't make everything conceptual despite concept being abstract. Idk why we must hardwire something that is deeper level of abstraction must be either conceptual or informational.

And if those deeper levels were concepts, laws, plots or narratives, they'd qualify for those abilities, but for the second time, I'm not talking about scenarios where we can already assign a category to such aspects.

I'm not "hard wiring" all abstractions be information. Everything in essence is information, it's just a matter of whether or not it fits the wiki's definition.

"Information manipulation" naturally lends itself to be the correct ability to categorize currently uncategorizable abstractions as a metaphysical information type with proper criteria would more than likely catch the verses that have those abstractions that don't currently fit within the wiki's current abilities.

We already have an information type for the fundamental building blocks of reality. We have an information type for physical data types. It is only natural if we're going to create a page or invent an ability for deeper abstractions beyond the soul or whatever, that it falls under a metaphysical information type so long as it behaves similarly to physical information types - which most of them do.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

That problem would persist regardless of the name of the page.

Functionally, what’s being advocated for is the same as information manipulation so it should be a new IM type if anything.

If the name is Fundamental Aspect, and it said within the page, that these aspects can vary from verse to verse, that would nip that problem in the bud, imho.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Okay, so we have a couple of options laid out for us, then.

• Combine Blessed into Power Bestowal
• Combine Blessed into Empowerment
• Combine all three

Does anyone else have any opinions on this? I do think the second opinion would be helpful here.

Bumping this since it never got any official conclusions (only 2 non-staff votes were given to combine all three)

 

[Ar1216789]

A character in my verse has a power where he can impose absolute commands, where ppl must comply.

Absolute Command ability page should be added to the wiki.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Does it affect the mind? If it does, it's Mind Manipulation. If not, it's Body Puppetry.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah, like Bambu have said, that kind of effects can be achieved by many abilities we already have on the site

 

[Antvasima]

That leaves one of the initial problems though, being its name. As you mentioned, it is not meant to be specifically from a divine source, and yet the name heavily implies it is so. Power Bestowal is far more of a generic title that fits the needs of the page sufficiently well, so unless you have a better descriptor, I don't think choosing Blessed over Power Bestowal is wise.

(Also, the lack of content could easily be fixed in Power Bestowal by adding more information, which infusing the Blessed page into it would help with.)

Okay, so we have a couple of options laid out for us, then.

• Combine Blessed into Power Bestowal
• Combine Blessed into Empowerment
• Combine all three

Does anyone else have any opinions on this? I do think the second opinion would be helpful here.

What do other staff members here think about this?

 

[Jinx666]

Could a page for 'Supernatural Thievery' as the Superpower wiki puts it apply here? Name can be workshopped for this wiki

Its essentially the ability to steal/teleport anything to you. It's a biproduct of teleportation ig, but doesnt do everything that does as it only exclusively works on objects being brought towards you, and not a character actually teleporting.

It could only account for physical objects, or perhaps stuff like magic too (Though that goes more under Power Absorption).

Its a useful ability too in regards to versus threads, since its a pretty strong counter to weapons if a character can just swipe them off someone.

Some examples of characters on this wiki with this power:
Chrollo Lucifer (HxH)
Dog Miraculous holders (Miraculous Ladybug)
Ban (Seven Deadly Sins)
Bonnie Parker (Majo Taisen)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

What do other staff members here think about this?

I think all of those are basically flawed, but if we're doing one of these, Blessed into Empowerment is the closest thing. Power Bestowal isn't the same as either of them, it is the ability to give the blessing (or power), not have it for oneself.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Could a page for 'Supernatural Thievery' as the Superpower wiki puts it apply here? Name can be workshopped for this wiki

Its essentially the ability to steal/teleport anything to you. It's a biproduct of teleportation ig, but doesnt do everything that does as it only exclusively works on objects being brought towards you, and not a character actually teleporting.

It could only account for physical objects, or perhaps stuff like magic too (Though that goes more under Power Absorption).

Its a useful ability too in regards to versus threads, since its a pretty strong counter to weapons if a character can just swipe them off someone.

Some examples of characters on this wiki with this power:
Chrollo Lucifer (HxH)
Dog Miraculous holders (Miraculous Ladybug)
Ban (Seven Deadly Sins)
Bonnie Parker (Majo Taisen)

This is still just very limited teleportation. We don't need to sub-classify types of teleportation. We want basically as few ability pages as possible, to ensure all of them can be remembered- or, at the very least, most of them. It does not benefit us to create pages for each possible interpretation and application of an ability, whereas that is the literal purpose of the Superpower Wiki- they exist on the basis of micro-differences.

 

[Jinx666]

This is still just very limited teleportation. We don't need to sub-classify types of teleportation. We want basically as few ability pages as possible, to ensure all of them can be remembered- or, at the very least, most of them. It does not benefit us to create pages for each possible interpretation and application of an ability, whereas that is the literal purpose of the Superpower Wiki- they exist on the basis of micro-differences.

Well yeah but it doesnt always have to be linked to Teleportation. The item might not teleport and just instead be attracted towards a character with this ability.

I feel teleportation is versatile enough, and most commonly associated with teleporting people, to maybe qualify.

I already understand not to create pages for every minor subcategory of powers, but im just starting to see this specific power of stealing items from the opponent crop up a lot more in fiction so thought id ask

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Well yeah but it doesnt always have to be linked to Teleportation. The item might not teleport and just instead be attracted towards a character with this ability.

I feel teleportation is versatile enough, and most commonly associated with teleporting people, to maybe qualify.

I already understand not to create pages for every minor subcategory of powers, but im just starting to see this specific power of stealing items from the opponent crop up a lot more in fiction so thought id ask

We would assign it an ability based on the mechanics of it, then.

 

[Jinx666]

Is there a page for characters being the centre of the universe/multiverse/nexus being/anchor point? Or just being the only one of their existence, where no other variants exist?

Feel thats been cropping up a bit lately, they dont always have a higher-dimensional existance though

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Is there a page for characters being the centre of the universe/multiverse/nexus being/anchor point? Or just being the only one of their existence, where no other variants exist?

Feel thats been cropping up a bit lately, they dont always have a higher-dimensional existance though

Depends on context but Acausality Type 2 and/or 4 can fit that descriptions is some cases

 

[ZeedKZ]

Do you get any P&A for permanently killing a Type 2 Abstract? In cases it isn't specified whether the character directly destroyed the abstraction or not.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Do you get any P&A for permanently killing a Type 2 Abstract? In cases it isn't specified whether the character directly destroyed the abstraction or not.

I think we would just index it as Abstract Existence (Type 2) Negation

 

[Ednaxel2]

Can infinite ammunition be considered a power or something?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Can infinite ammunition be considered a power or something?

By default no, i believe, although it is possible for you to have Dimensional Storage depending on the case

 

[Vietthai96]

Do you get any P&A for permanently killing a Type 2 Abstract? In cases it isn't specified whether the character directly destroyed the abstraction or not.

I think we would just index it as Abstract Existence (Type 2) Negation

AE Type 2 is just a fancy Immortality type 8 that reliant on abstraction, so it is the same as Immortality type 8 negation

Alternatively, you can neg AE type 2 unconventionally by destroy the abstraction they reliant on. So depend on feat

 

[Jinx666]

By default no, i believe, although it is possible for you to have Dimensional Storage depending on the case

Idk tbh

Characters with infinite ammunition dont actually have dimensional storage, but just an endless supply of ammunition exclusive

 

[Antvasima]

I think all of those are basically flawed, but if we're doing one of these, Blessed into Empowerment is the closest thing. Power Bestowal isn't the same as either of them, it is the ability to give the blessing (or power), not have it for oneself.

That solution seems acceptable to me then.

@Mr. Bambu @Starter_Pack

Should we simply turn our Blessed wiki page into a redirect link to Empowerment instead then? Or do we need to modify the text in our Empowerment page in conjunction as well?

 

[Vietthai96]

That solution seems acceptable to me then.

@Mr. Bambu @Starter_Pack

Should we simply turn our Blessed wiki page into a redirect link to Empowerment instead then? Or do we need to modify the text in our Empowerment page in conjunction as well?

We merge all 3 powers and divide the new merged power into 2 types (like how we have Concept types and Infomation types), with one type being the one who bestow power on others (the giver) while the other type is the one who get bestowed (the receiver). About name, should just merge into Empowerment or Power Bestowal, since the name isn't sematically conflicting, since you can Empower/Bestow power others or get Empowered/Bestowed by someone, or even both

Still we do need to modify, update the texts in Empowerment page

 

[Jinx666]

I don't suppose a page based on eating/devouring abnormal inedible things would be necessary? Whether its power-based or generally a thing thats capable of being done since its still a pretty commonly implied power.

Something like 'Enhanced Digestion'?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That solution seems acceptable to me then.

@Mr. Bambu @Starter_Pack

Should we simply turn our Blessed wiki page into a redirect link to Empowerment instead then? Or do we need to modify the text in our Empowerment page in conjunction as well?

Could. Ideally we would then go through the given pages with Blessed and modify them, though, which isn't as simple as replacing it with Empowerment. The language of the pages still needs to make sense and the change could mess it up if done en masse.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't suppose a page based on eating/devouring abnormal inedible things would be necessary? Whether its power-based or generally a thing thats capable of being done since its still a pretty commonly implied power.

Something like 'Enhanced Digestion'?

Necessary would be a fairly strong word, yeah. I don't think it's covered by anything currently, though.

 

[Antvasima]

I think all of those are basically flawed, but if we're doing one of these, Blessed into Empowerment is the closest thing. Power Bestowal isn't the same as either of them, it is the ability to give the blessing (or power), not have it for oneself.

That solution seems acceptable to me then.

@Mr. Bambu @Starter_Pack

Should we simply turn our Blessed wiki page into a redirect link to Empowerment instead then? Or do we need to modify the text in our Empowerment page in conjunction as well?

Could. Ideally we would then go through the given pages with Blessed and modify them, though, which isn't as simple as replacing it with Empowerment. The language of the pages still needs to make sense and the change could mess it up if done en masse.

Yes. Here are all of the affected pages. We would need help from our current and further promoted content moderators for this.

Pages that link to "Blessed" | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Just_a_Random_Butler @Elizhaa @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @Colonel_Krukov @Dereck03 @Shadowbokunohero @QrowBarr @Crazylatin77 @Zaratthustra @ElixirBlue @Tllmbrg @Nehz_XZX @Therefir @IdiosyncraticLawyer @GarrixianXD @Catzlaflame @Vzearr

Your help would be greatly appreciated here.

And somebody also likely needs to modify the text in our Empowerment page.

@Starter_Pack @Agnaa @GrathOfLux @Damage3245

Would any of you be interested in helping out with this?

 

[Vzearr]

Yes. Here are all of the affected pages. We would need help from our current and further promoted content moderators for this.

Pages that link to "Blessed" | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom

vsbattles.fandom.com

@Just_a_Random_Butler @Elizhaa @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @Colonel_Krukov @Dereck03 @Shadowbokunohero @QrowBarr @Crazylatin77 @Zaratthustra @ElixirBlue @Tllmbrg @Nehz_XZX @Therefir @IdiosyncraticLawyer @GarrixianXD @Catzlaflame @Vzearr

Your help would be greatly appreciated here.

And somebody also likely needs to modify the text in our Empowerment page.

@Starter_Pack @Agnaa @GrathOfLux @Damage3245

Would any of you be interested in helping out with this?

What do I need to do exactly?

 

[Antvasima]

What do I need to do exactly?

Thank you greatly for being willing to help out.

@Mr. Bambu @Starter_Pack

Are you willing to provide instructions please?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

What do I need to do exactly?

It's basically making it so that the blessing stuff is a part of Empowerment and having the concepts intertwine as both abilities are fundamentally very similar with the only noticeable difference being the source of power (Blessing originating from specifically an entity and Empowerments currently only originating from more vague means which could include it)

Additionally having the Blessed page redirect to the Empowerment page as the two become one.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Oh yeah, I just remembered that I had another ability suggestion since it's something I noticed is decently common in media. That being different aspect types for Acausality.

I've noticed that various media types tend to have 2 types of acausality, mental and physical. The most obvious examples of mental versions are things like Steins Gate and Undertale, where characters are capable of remembering past events however they aren't actually resistant to alterations made to their past themselves such as death. Physical acausality however is basically the page version we have now, where characters are just completely separated from the causal effects and aren't effected by such alterations.

Due to there being no distinction between the two, it results in profiles having acausality listed which are just fundamentally inferior to other types in the same category since one is infinitely more limited than the other. So much so that it is useless in most VS fights since the main thing they'd be trying to avoid is alterations to their physical past.