I don't know why the UTY Check stats wouldn't be the in-verse ones. They having a gameplay function only means they serve two purposes at once.
Mostly iffy about the UTY Checks cause of Axis getting stronger in Genocide for no apparent reason, but we won't be able to cross scale em with UT's cause of this,
There is a reason.
Does every Froggit have to be exactly as strong as each other? If it was a massive stat disparity like "ATK 5 million in UT, ATK -4 in UTY" I would get the skepticism, but is looks like a small discrepancy in what otherwise seems to be a bunch of stats intentionally chosen to reinforce one of the most plot relevant choices Flowey makes.
Fair nuff,
Every Froggit in UT has the exact same stats? Why would Clover encounter one strangely weak Froggit that seemingly just disappeared when Frisk fell? I get the narrative point, but it gets contradicted by Flowey considering the 15 ATK Ceroba somewhat on-par with Asgore (Literally every single Waterfall Monster would be stronger than her and Clover reached Hotland without Flowey's help before) and the "Zenith of Monsterkind" being weaker than every Core Mercenary?
Every one you face. Then there's the Froggit NPCs who look exactly the same yet show an absurdly higher level of inteligence.
The Ruins are big enough to have a city with several buildings, there's enough space for one Froggit to never show up in-game.
And if you quit geno in Steamworks Flowey will finish off in one attack that Clover that took on a supposedly an Asgore level threat, which kinda destroys the whole "Flowey can't take on Asgore" narrative
I honestly don't know what to make of Z!Martet. The statement is there but it would have been really easy to tweak the damage calculation to make the monsters' stats higher without breaking the game.
I can kinda understand the logic, but Frisk/Chara (with both DETERMINATION and LV) still got trapped by opponents like Papyrus, Undyne, Muffet (pretty sure she has a higher rating because she can restrain Chara), Flowey (note that you can abort Yellow's Geno by sparing Axis, leading to the neutral route and you know what happens there) and Sans (the weakest enemy btw). It's likely LS does increase with those things, but not by a substantial much that would allow them to scale to Monsters.
AP and LS are seperate ratings so I don't think this would contradict that (the main thing contradicting the High 8-C rating is the attack differing between the Trailer and the Game). Also that second argument... doesn't support your case for LS scaling?
Personally, that seems a lot nicer to look at, plus you might not even need to include Dunebug if it's already in the weaker keys.
I'm guessing you're talking about the SOUL modes of Undertale, in which case I don't see how being able to lift certain ammount of weigh would make someone able to un-blue or un-green their SOUL, and Muffet's webs are a construct independent of her (Or at the very least I don't see she being actively making an effort to prevent you from breaking free of the webs).
Isn't that how "possibly" ratings work?
Is contradictory in the sense that, even with a pityful destructive capacity, a character with High 8-C ap should be able to go trough the door after attacking it several times. In fact, Ceroba does exactly that off-screen while you're fighting Axis
What I'm saying is, even with the LS needed, Clover had no way to push the door down (The door has nothing that would let them have a good grip, and pushing the door from the top would just make Clover lift themselves up). Is a similar case to trying and failing to grab and pull the end of a tape roll, in the sense that you have the strentgh to do it but there's no way to grab it.
That would be ideal, but despite both being in the same range there's a 171 times gap between them and I feel is necesary to make it clear.
We didn't have any big calcs yet I think
The flowers were burned
What should i use then
I did it with v.frag, pretty underwhelming
Doesn't seem that the calc accounts for the corridor from the next room being visible in the hole. That should be at least a solid meter or two of rock destroyed, I think.
It’s hard to measure exactly, what measurement do you reccomend i use for the thickness
The thickness of the wall from that room in the original undertale.
I'm not sure how i'm supposed to find the thickness of the wall from the original.
By measuring the length of it starting from the pre-existing doorway to when it stops at the grey corridor. That room is also in the sprite sheet you provided.
That is... a completely seperate structure from the feat we're trying to calculate, so no just stick to the room Clover and Asgore are in.
I'll redo the calc later, I already redid it several times in the last 24 hours and i'm tired.
Thank you
No wonder UTY has Clover go straight to the barrier skipping the room in between.
So how does this even work? Did someone put a window with a wall on the other side?
Or am I supposed to interpret this as a glass decoration with a metal frame put on top of a wall?
I'll assume the latter for the sake of the calc.
Hole Radius a: ((142.25/29)×48)/2 = 117.724137931cm
Hole Radius b: ((142.25/29)×55)/2 = 134.892241379cm
Hole Depth: (142.25/29)×42 = 206.017241379cm
Hole Volume: π×117.724137931×134.892241379×206.017241379 = 10282073.363cm^3
Violent fragmentation: 10282073.363×69 = 709463062.047 joules / 0.16 tons of tnt (9-A, Small Building level+)
Is slightly weaker than Starlo's high end
They pretty much also become 8-B
Shame, all those UTY calcs won't be used.
Well, didn't Dalv come from Waterfall (Where all of the monsters in that area scale to 8-B)? I'm sure anyone encountered after him can scale to the rating.
Everyone would scale via upscaling from Froggit (Clover can Check em in the Intro)
