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Undertale revisions 2 but the only thing getting revised is me

I'm still calling Frisk a she.

All Undertale characters besides Frisk and Chara should have Irregular Physiology due to being completely made of magic instead of flesh and blood, as the game suggests.



Undyne

She should have Weapon Mastery as she is both an expert with her signature spears and with other weapons, to the point where she uses them as silverware like you would forks or knives

She should also have Limited Telekinesis for her spears

Minor Power Nullification, can passively keep someone from selling something



• Toriel


Can erase energy constructs such as Flowey's

Heat Manipulation, her fire magic can replace the power and functions of an ove

Alphys upgraded Toriel's phone just like she did with Frisk's, meaning she now gets all the hax that Frisk does with the upgraded phone, giving her Flight (via jetpack), Dimensional Storage, a bomb defusal function, and most importantly, a keychain.

She also needs a better Intelligence description based on these feats:

Has read every book in her house many times, including history books, plant encyclopedias, etc.

So smart that she prepared an entire school curriculum in the time it takes a child to have a short nap

Has been alive for the same amount of time as Asgore, who has been alive and fighting for thousands of years, maybe even before written history even bega, meanwhile written history itself began over 5000 years ago

I would also like to point out that Toriel doesn't hold back against just anyone, only Frisk because they were a child.



• Asgore


Better description for AP and Durability: While I'm not looking for a tier change at this moment, including these in the explanations would make the profile look better.

Undyne explains that even her killing Frisk would be mercy compared to what Asgore could do

Is among the small group of people that fought against Undertale humans and survived

Flowey states that he would never have been able to defeat Asgore, in a situation where he didn't have LOVE

It should also be mentioned that Frisk had better items as well as stronger Determination during their fight.

Otherwise:

Heat Manipulation, fire magic can passively light things on fire and keep them on fire for hours

Resistance to Heat Manipulation, Asgore and all the old monsters were capable of navigating Hotland until they reached the other side, before Hotland even had elevators.

Resistance to cold weather, Asgore is Santa Claus, meaning he has inevitably survived the cold of Snowdin due to being well known there, Snowdin is so cold that even Undyne herself finds it significantly cold, and it's snow is so cold it can withstand the middle of Hotland


• Papyrus

On this CRT, it was agreed that Papyrus's Intelligence should be changed to make him sound less, well, stupid, but it was never implemented to the page.



• Alphys


Athletic Human Lifting Strength, strong enough to carry both Papyrus and Undyne on her head at the same time

Limited Magnetism Manipulation, can immobilize people using EM fields, even if they are swifter than people on Frisk's level

Healing via Instant Noodles

Alphys needs MUCH better Intelligence description, based on these feats and the ones already present:

The person who previously held Alphys's position invented the CORE, which turns thermal heat into magical electricity and serves as a power plant for the entire Underground, and she reportedly works faster than he did

Figures out a highly complicated math problem in 2 seconds flat, correctly guesses the number of flies in a jar with a glance, and perfectly guesses the number of n's in Mettaton's name in a situation where the number of n's was rapidly growing, all in a row

Was able to operate and help Frisk under Mettaton's nose even when he was standing right next to her



• Frisk


Frisk's moves such as Draw, Flex, and Clear Mind need to be added to their Notable Attacks/Techniques and not just chill out in her hax.

Durability Negation, the game explains that Frisk could have used SAVE and LOAD to "SAVE over" Asriel's existence thus defeating him, despite Asriel being unaffected by paradoxes. It is undisclosed whether this would kill Asriel or simply incapacitate him.

For the love of God, would someone please fix the typo in, "Flight (With they jet-pack)". It's been there for years.

Frisk can also regenerate health by SAVEing.

Invulnerability, As all STATs are canon, INV also exists. The Cloudy Glasses and the Torn Notebook amplify this ability, they don't give it in the first place.

Immortality (Type 1) as a SOUL, when UT humans are killed they leave behind their SOUL, which stays alive for millennia at least (as Asgore had all 6 SOULs he'd collected over the past few thousand years); SOULs retain their mind and sapience, such as when they responded to Frisk's calls for help

Empathic Manipulation:

Can affect people emotionally with her words even if they have no idea what she said

Frisk has the ability to ACT, which can calm dow even the most violent enemies, and it is stated every enemy has a different way to be calmed dow

The Faded Ribbon makes her look cute enough to the point where even Bloodlusted opponents (such as Undyne or the Amalgamates) will hit her less hard

Dream Manipulation; Can use and hold dreams like solid objects and even sell them to vendors, can make dreams come true

Resistance to Absorption for the same reason she has Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Photoshop Flowey released a blast of light that absorbed all of the souls in the entire Underground, and Frisk was the only person who was unaffected by it, despite being in the epicenter of the attack

Resistance to Possession: In the event that Frisk were to kill enough people, Chara will possess Frisk, but Frisk will always break free unless her intentions exactly match that of Chara's.

Limited Immunity to Power Mimicry, SOUL power (including Determination) cannot be created artificially

Telepathy, seems to have the ability to read minds.

Clairvoyance (via this), can tell people's weaknesses by looking at them

Other evidence of Enhanced Senses includes sensing a door opening all the way from Snowdi and sensing a phone signal getting deflected (and could tell you exactly who did it), although this may be another example of Clairvoyance

Power Nullification, outside of healing her completely 3.25 times over(if no LOVE gained), the Hush Puppy nullifies all dog magic whatsoever, or will stop a dog from casting magic at all

Should at least scale to Pre-Flowey Asriel, stamina-wise, who walked from where Chara fell all the way to New Home on the opposite side of the Underground, which is 32,977 square meters (20.5 miles) long

Whoever writes the Intelligence sections for the Undertale profiles either, no offense, sucks at it, or didn't know these following feats existed.

Bested Asgore in a fight, who has been alive for at least 5,000 years(see Toriel), not to mention had been training specifically to fight humans for millennia, fought in the front lines in a war against humans and was one of the only survivors, and had killed 6 humans in the past

Was capable of dodging all of Mad Mew Mew's attacks absolutely flawlessly Even when she lost her SAVE and LOAD, she's been shown to handle danmaku insanely well

Can recognize complex 3D shapes with a glance, even ones that Chara was unable to do the same with

Perfectly understands and uses a language spoken only by wiggling and has an entire conversation in that way, despite first seeing it only moments before (doubles as a Multilingualism feat)

Frisk was able to navigate the CORE even though Mettaton deliberately changed its layout to counter Frisk's deduction so that she would get lost and perish



• Vulki


Smoke Manipulation (via this)

Magma Manipulation, and Resistance to such (via this)

Durability Negation, can lower someone's natural Durability by touching them


Sans

Telepathy, sensed Frisk's mind in the back of her body despite being possessed almost completely by Chara

Invulnerability Negation, His attacks ignore Frisk's INV, which is explained above

Air Manipulation, created a self-sustaining tornado in his room


• Tsunderplane

Much like Vulkin and Sans, Resistance to Heat Manipulation should apply to her too.


• Muffet

Statistics Reduction, Muffet's Purple Mode (webs) automatically sets the opponent's speed down to a certain amount, and their speed cannot be increased in this state, even with Sea Tea (See Trivia)

Her webs are so strong that the same person that could cause over 21 thousand damage to Muffet(enough to oneshot her 17.4 times over) could not break out of the webs

Muffet's spider webs can also block any type of signal

More accurate stamina rating via these feats:

Feels almost nothing from being injured, in fact it seems to please her

Has the stamina to fight against Frisk for 17 turns in a row, and would have been enthusiastic to go even longer if she hadn't received a telegram

The Intelligence description on Muffet is actually good, but it lacks her fighting skills.

Muffet reveals that Mettaton went out of his way to hire her , and for a great amount of money, meaning he knew Muffet would have the best shot at fighting Frisk other than himself



• Annoying Dog


Regardless of his tier, WoG states that the Annoying Dog got ten times more powerful as of 2018

Power Bestowal, gave Frisk infinite health as part of the test to see if she was fit to enter his room

Acausality (Type 1), when Frisk passes his test, the door to his room opens. Frisk may then LOAD her SAVE and go to his house in Snowdin, where the door is still open. Frisk would have LOADed to before the test itself started and thus before the door was ever opened, but the door was still open. (The game makes no mention of the door having to be re-opened, which Frisk would have also sensed.)

Transmutation, turns himself into a living bomb and his tail into a fuse

Sealing, sealed the Donation Box so Frisk couldn't put any more GOLD into it, sealed a room so Frisk couldn't enter it (and, quite possibly, so Mad Mew Mew couldn't leave)

Duplication (via this)

Plot Manipulation, can create new modes and different possible outcomes in Undertale such as Hard Mode

Life Manipulation, created both humans and monsters inside his game, casually created a miniature sun that gives life

Law Manipulation, can make up new laws for his different modes, such as making it physically impossible to take more than 3 pieces of candy from a bowl

Age Manipulation, aged everything in the Dog Shrine massively, so much so that he fossilized a boom box

Willpower Manipulation, made something lose the will to fight

Mind Manipulation, can play music that can psychologically affect people and their desires

Spatial Manipulation, made a pocket room under Papyrus's sink merely to troll Frisk

Conceptual Manipulation, created Chara, who embodies the concept of STATs, as part of his reality



• Chara:


Fear Manipulation, made Doggo feel a chill all over his body even though he didn't know who he was fighting or where she was
 
Nothing implied that Frisk broke free of the possession

The Empathic Manipulation is just Social Influencing.

Fear manip is for Geno Frisk, not Chara.

"Immunity" to power mimicry is a resistance.
 
Actions done beforehand will specify if Frisk does or not, in this case if Frisk chooses to leave people alive just before fighting Mettaton NEO; and Flowey will act as though you have gone back to normal as well.

Passively causing Bloodlusted opponents to hit you less hard and having a guaranteed way to calm down your opponent is Social Influencing?

Chara is the entire reason behind Genocide Frisk.

How? It only accounts for a single type.
 
It's more because of the criteria of the Genocide than anything else, like leaving anyone alive is considered as neutral.

Most of the monsters aren't necessary bloodlust, with the only ones bloodlust not being able to be calm with ACT (Asgore, the king in Deltarune etc...)

They're not. Chara is resurrected no matter the run (stated if you do the genocide run 2 times), it's more implied to be Frisk entire doing except for the very end.

Because not being able to be replicate is a Resistance, I don't see why it should be an immunity.
 
Weren't Alphys and Mettaton role playing? Alphys probably made those questions herself and told Mettaton to use them, but Gaster being slower than Alphys is Solid.

I agree with everything else.
 
Adem Warlock69 said:
Weren't Alphys and Mettaton role playing? Alphys probably made those questions herself and told Mettaton to use them.
No, I think the role playing started after the questions. Since why would Alphys fall for the last question by saying it outloud if she knew Mettaton was going to ask that? Not only that but why would she herself add a question about who she has a crush on.
 
I agree with pretty much everything except a couple of few things.

• Toriel

Erasing energy contructs seems vague for me. Flowey might have just stopped his attacks when he became alarmed that there was presence nearby.

Sans

Sans having telepathy doesn't seem right. He could just been having a gut feeling instead. And giving him air manipulation seems pointless tbh cuz he hasn't used that in his fight and the tornardo in his room is more of a comic relief than actual power.
 
if toriel alarmed Flowey then why did Flowey have a confused face instead of a alarmed face.

i agree with sans not having telepathy and air manipualtion. instead make the annoying dog have that since he was the one in the tonado
 
i swear to god this misconception never ends.

chara isn't responsible for ANYTHING in the genocide run that is entirely YOUR fault the reason this misconception came about is because people couldn't accept that YOUR actions have consequences so no chara did not possess anyone during the genocide you could make a case that chara was possessing frisk after the genocide run but the only time this was shown was at the end of the true pacifist run.
 
Flowey had a confused face because he could have sense attack/presence coming towards him and became confuse on what to do hence why he unintentionally stop his attack. Or that expression of flowey's face could be his alarmed expression instead.

BTW I agree the user above me. Frisk is controlled by player instead of chara. If it was chara possessing frisk, player wouldn't able to fully control frisk.
 
actually slow it down. https://youtu.be/XXAuYtAfT9U?t=102 you can see that even when the pellets are gone, he still has a smile on his face, only when a fire ball is being formed is when he gets that confused face.

well as said on chara's profile, chara is just the players willingness to kill, or the way i see it. so it's kind of both chara and the player... damn frisk has it ruff being taken over. almost as much as dedede from kirby.
 
Lavcore said:
i swear to god this misconception never ends.
chara isn't responsible for ANYTHING in the genocide run that is entirely YOUR fault the reason this misconception came about is because people couldn't accept that YOUR actions have consequences so no chara did not possess anyone during the genocide you could make a case that chara was possessing frisk after the genocide run but the only time this was shown was at the end of the true pacifist run.
The player isn't even canon to Undertale. In fact Flowey recognized Chara as the one possessing Frisk.
 
Baubles said:
I agree with pretty much everything except a couple of few things.
• Toriel

Erasing energy contructs seems vague for me. Flowey might have just stopped his attacks when he became alarmed that there was presence nearby.

Sans

Sans having telepathy doesn't seem right. He could just been having a gut feeling instead. And giving him air manipulation seems pointless tbh cuz he hasn't used that in his fight and the tornardo in his room is more of a comic relief than actual power.
He didn't know someone was there yet before Toriel attacked him.

You're probably right. But it's highly unlikely that the Annoying Dog randomly made a tornado in Sans's messy room.
 
Super Ascended Sean Pazdera said:
Lavcore said:
i swear to god this misconception never ends.
chara isn't responsible for ANYTHING in the genocide run that is entirely YOUR fault the reason this misconception came about is because people couldn't accept that YOUR actions have consequences so no chara did not possess anyone during the genocide you could make a case that chara was possessing frisk after the genocide run but the only time this was shown was at the end of the true pacifist run.
The player isn't even canon to Undertale. In fact Flowey recognized Chara as the one possessing Frisk.
have you played the true pacifist run the player IS canon flowey mentions you directly.
 
The Anomaly (Undertale) you're gonna have to make a CRT to change this page then.

chara can't reset on their own until the end of the genocide route so i don't see how flowey would be referring to a powerless chara being able to reset the game when chara is literally incapable of that as of that moment.
 
yeah and that requires resetting everything in order for that to happen unless chara has already taken your soul i don't see how a powerless chara who is Non-Corporeal would be able to do anything to ruin the ending also yes flowey begs for you to not reset and let frisk have their happy ending.

also then make a new CRT then if you're really objected to the profiles existence your CRT wasn't "silenced" at all it just didn't get enough attention that's what bumping is for in fact a staff member agreed with it so i don't get how it's because it would delete a powerful profile when that is an unsubstantiated claim.
 
Undyne the Undying should have passive paralyze inducement when she appears, as she always turns Frisk's soul Green without even touching him in the Beginning of the Fight.
 
Anyway, evidence for Chara controlling Frisk.

if you look at the mirror, it states "It's me, Chara." letting the player know that chara is in control for the time being.

this probably demonstrates some level of control on chara's part it implies that they actually looked for some knives. however, it could be argued that this was only chara's internal monologue.

flowey recognises chara just after killing toriel.

sans comments on frisk's blank face after the whoopie cushion prank. this is not something the player is capable of controlling

when frisk's control is evident, they do as they're told and hides behind the conveniently shaped lamp, but when chara is in control, they show that they are not in the mood for anything that wastes time.

without the help of the player, chara moves forward in the middle of papyrus' speech.

once again, without the player's input, chara moves forward towards papyrus and sans.

the third instance of chara taking steps towards papyrus without the player's help.

again, chara moves forward without the player's help.

monster kid offers to let chara advance in order to see undyne. unlike frisk,chara roughly climbs over monster kid without any concern for their well being.

chara turns toward monster kid and they back away. chara cuts them off mid-sentence and initiates a fight… but something is different about this. the flavour text changes to first person. long, long before new home. already, chara has a firm grasp over frisk's body. they're able to cut people off in the middle of dialogue to initiate fights more quickly now.

they let Frisk know something that, looking back, was obvious all along: chara always acted independently of the player
 
A lot of these seem fine, but I'm a bit iffy on Mettaton not noticing Alphys as an intelligence feat and Toby Fox's self insert becoming 10x stronger.
 
Fadded Ribbon makes Frisk looks cute, which is a part Social Influencing. Everyone being affected is a game mechanic/RPG logic.

ACT is nearly the best example of Social Influencing. Also I'm pretty sure that you can calm down people from sheer charisma without them even understanding you even in real life.

Like I said in my first comment, you also can't SPARE bloodlust people because they'll not be calm by ACT, which prove that it's more social influencing than any kind of Empathic Manipulation.
 
We can rate it as some very potent Social Influencing though. But since nothings supernatural about it, and has proof against it being supernatural. Social influencing is the best it should get.
 
I was watching someone playing undertale and when he was doing Genocide the River person stated "Tra la la. Hmmm... I should have worn a few million more pairs of pants today." Does that only happen in the Genocide Route? If yes than that would be more evidence For Fear manipulation to Geno Frisk/Chara
 
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